The Akatsuki HAD to be Nerfed in order to LOSE.

Brother Numpsay · Mar 4, 2013

Kishimoto made sure that this group was nerfed so they can lose against the main/supporting characters.

Nerf: To diminish the power or effectiveness of...
To make less potent.

Sasori
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Sasori main arsenal is puppeteer. He specialized in poisons. If Sasori scratches you even once with ANY of his arsenals, you LOSE.
How was he Nerfed in his defeat?:He had to fight his grandmother, who taught him everything of being a puppeteer (With full intel). And another opponent, Sakura, who already encounter the poison earlier and prep for this battle.

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Having that said Sasori moves lost its purpose of defeating his opponent. Regardless of Nerf he still could of won but decided not too:

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Deidara
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The only one who lost fair and square :erm:
How was he Nerfed in his defeat? It was simply a bad match up. The opponent was lightening base and a Sharingan user. Having these two things counters Deidara's jutsu easily. But Sasuke/Manda surviving C0 is preposterous

Hidan
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A character who has granted immortality and a jutsu that only requires one scratch to win.
How was he Nerfed in his defeat?
1. His first encounter was Asuma team. They had to make Hidan play with Asuma's death while forgetting that he was dodging Shikimaru's attack.

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2. Hidan was force to leave so he couldn't defeat/finish off his opponents:

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3. Main/supporting characters gets a second chance to plan and prepare how to defeat him.

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4.Hidan's Fighting style was Nerfed so he couldn't use it in his full capacity (Breaking the rope attached to his weapon):

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Kakuzu
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A monster that requires to kill him 5 times in order to win.
How was he Nerfed in his defeat?

1. One of his opponent hid his presence, from the beginning of the match, to get 1 free kill.

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1.2. Because of this, Kakuzu cannot use his full potential with all of them in play.

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2. Opponent gets a second chance to plan their victory.

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3.Each heart Kakuzu loses means he cannot perform them. Losing a specific heart (earth) made him unable to counter the next devastating attack from another opponent:

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Itachi

To avoid going into depth in his description: solo king.

How was he Nerfed in his defeat?
Simple answer, sickness/disease:

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2. Of course he never attended to win:

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Kisame
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Highest chakra reserved, the tailless beast.
How was he Nerfed in his defeat?
1. His legendary sword turned against him and wants to with his opponent:

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2. His last battle encounter was to finish a mission, thus he couldn't fight properly in a 1v1. And he lost his sword.

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Pain
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The wielder of the strongest KKG Eyes.
How was he Nerfed in his defeat?
1. He cannot use Deva Path from his opponent, for a time being.

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2. Opponent has full knowledge on his attacks, so no surprises.

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Twin Steps · Mar 4, 2013

I agree, they all had disadvantages and/or draw backs

Sephy100 · Mar 4, 2013

Of course. As soon as I saw Sakura and Lady Chiyo beat Sasori I knew Akatsuki were nerfed

duken fist · Mar 4, 2013

hahahaha this is so damn true!!!!!!!!!!

Snape Uchiha · Mar 4, 2013

This is true. When Kisame fought Bee, he was destroying him, proving that Kisame was virtually invincible but then his sword somehow turns on him.

Megamkfan · Mar 4, 2013

I agree.....

Jordanofthecloud · Mar 4, 2013

I agree 100%!

fastrthnwind · Mar 4, 2013

I made a thread about this before:

fastrthnwind said:
We all know that all of the akatsuki members were very powerful S-ranked criminals and made even more powerful in pairs.

Many people think that each member was trolled in their own ways, but were their deaths really trolling, or was it legitimate?

Lets take a look at each member who died.

1)Sasori

Sasori was a ninja who was capable of taking over an entire village with his 100 puppet technique, and even defeated the third Kazekage. So why was it that he lost against only two people? Lets break down his advantages of his fighting style:

First off, Hiruko was his first layer of defense. One could not attempt to hurt Sasori if they did not first break his first layer of defense.

Sakura was trained to use a strength-enhancing technique that could almost rival her sensei's legendary strength. This coupled with Granny chiyos support was what allowed them to overcome this obstacle and was one part of them being able to defeat Sasori.

Sasori was known to use poison within the traps of his puppets which was considered so deadly that even one scratch was enough to kill anyone.

Now, Sakura is a very good medic-nin trained in the art by the greatest medic ninja to ever live, Tsunade, herself. She is also well versed in the extraction of poison and creating antidotes for them, which she had done so with Sasori's poison prior to fighting him when Kankuro was poisoned himself.

Sasori also happens to fight using many puppets all at once to overwhelm his enemies.

Sakura as a medic-nin was trained in the art of evasion, so that she could avoid being hurt while at the same time was able to use her massive strength offensively in collaboration with Granny Chiyo's experience and abilities with using multiple puppets at once. Sakura was also able to use her keen observation skills to analyze how sasoris puppets reacted in accordance to how Sasori moved his fingers, giving her an added advantage in fighting against the many puppets.

Sasori can use the third hokages KKG to manipulate iron sand techniques similar to garras sand which is consdered to be very fast and, powerful, and laced with poison.

As mentioned before, Sakuras ability to evade attacks as a medic-nin helped her here along with Granny Chiyo's added support from the chakra threads.

In the end, Ssaori was defeated when his his core was struck by Granny Chiyo using the puppets that Sasori himself modeled after his parents. Though he could have dodged it, he chose to stay and die in his puppet-parent's embrace.

So can we say that Sasori's death was a troll?

In this case, it might be, but not so much as people are exaggerating it to be and it is only because Sasori could have dodged the last, fatal blow and could have fought a bit longer, though he chose defeat. These two were the perfect counter for him since they not only had an antidote for his poison, but knowledge on his abilities and fighting style thanks to the superior experience of Sasori's own grandmother, Granny Chiyo, and their ability to fight multiple opponents/puppets with a combination of multiple puppets and evasion skills.

So all-in-all a combo of preparation, intel, and the duo being a bad match-up for him

2)Deidara

Deidara was deadly long range bomber who made clever use of his detonation clay to strike his foes unexpectedly or to outright bombard them with a flurry of powerful explosions.

So, why did he lose against Sasuke?

Lets look at his fighting style and their advantages:

Deidara uses earth-type detonation clay to attack his opponents from a distance.

Sasuke's natural affinity is lightning, an element superior to earth, which he has plenty of techniques that he can use to diffuse deidaras bombs. He also had several mid-long range jutsus in his arsenal so that he could also attack from a distance.

Deidara usually stays in the air on a bird to attack his opponents.

Sasuke at the time had CM, which gave him limited flight capabilities so that he could reach Deidara.

Deidara also happens to have special types of bombs such as C4 to attack sasuke with

Sasuke has the sharingan, which allows him to see chakra as color. He can determine whether Deidara is trying to fool him and cleverly hide bombs from him.

Deidaras left eye is trained specifically to nullify sharingan genjutsu.

It's only his left eye, and it must be uncovered in order for it to work.

Finally, Deidaras suicide move C0 is capable of destroying anything within a 10km radius.

Sasuke is capable of summoning snakes to use to fight for him, like he did when he summoned the boss summon Manda to take the blow for him.

Now, in the end was this a legitimate win or was it a troll?

In this case, it was a troll since Sasuke should have run out of chakra at the same time Deidara did, yet he was able to summon a boss summon to take his place and protect him. Otherwise, it would have ended a tie, even though Sasuke had the elemental advantage, intel from his sharingan perception, and overall greater cunning which he used against Deidara several times.

3)Hidan

Hidan has an immortal body, being able to withstand and survive any woulds inflicted against him. He was teamed up with Kakuzu to make the Immortal Duo.

Now, Hidan doesnt have much in the way of ninjutsus other than his curse jutsu, though his taijutsu and his ability to use his three pronged scythe was considered to be formidable. Why did he lose to Shikamaru of all people?

Now about his method of fighting:

Hidan usually teams up with Kakuzu to take down his opponents by locking them in a taijutsu battle and allowing Kakuzu to attack them both, taking advantage of Hidan's immortality. In his fight with shikamaru, he didnt have Kakuzu to rely on, so he needed to use his curse jutsu to kill his opponents, which allows him to link their physical bodies when he ingests his opponents blood.

Shikamaru is a genius and was able to fool Hidan into thinking that Hidan had obtained some of his blood when it was really a sample of Kakuzus from a previous fight.

Hidan has much better taijutsu and can usually attack his opponent without much fear of being mortally wounded

Shikamaru used his incredible genius to manipulate his shadows and his sensei's weaponry to keep Hidan on his toes so that he wouldnt be caught in his jutsu

Overall, was Hidan trolled in this fight?

This is a clear no and the end result was a legitimate win for Shikamaru, since he had preparation, knowledge from his previous fight with him, locational advantage, and overall greater cunning than his opponent, who underestimated him for being considered weak. Had Hidan been more serious and more observant, he wouldn't have lost to Shikamaru so easily and maybe have won eventually, but Shikamaru is still greatly known for his ability to manipulate his opponents into believing whatever he wants them to.

4)Kakuzu

Kakuzu was a very old and experienced, yet powerful ninja whose only real goal in life was to get as much money as possible. He was paired up with Hidan because they were both considered to be practically immortal due their techniques

Why did Kakuzu lose to the Konoha Shinobi?

This is his method of fighting:

Kakuzu is capable of using all elements provided he has a heart that has the specific affinity. With them, he can use very powerful wide scale elemental jutsus to overwhelm his opponents and can even combine them to make them even more devastating. (His main affinity being Earth)

Kakashi was also another person who could use all elements, though not on the same scale as Kakuzu (though his main affinity, lightning, was superior to Kakuzu's.)

Kakuzus hearts could separate from his body and act of their own free will

The konoha shinobi also had numbers on their side to combat him and each heart.

Kakuzu had greater battle experience than all of the shinobi fighting him

The Konoha shinobi had at least one genius level shinobi with them to aid in their battle, Kakashi, who was also adept in battle.

In the end, was Kakuzu's death a troll?

In this fight he wasn't exactly trolled since he did lose due to his own fault, though he only lost because he miscalculated against Naruto's signature use of shadow clones feints, which he has done against nearly every foe he's faced. He would have won had Naruto not arrived to use his rasenshuriken.

5)Itachi

This is one of the most controversial fights of the entire NV where some say that Itachi had only lost because he was going easy on Sasuke and he also had his stamina reduced from sickness, and some say that Sasuke had grown to be more powerful than his brother at that time and ended up outlasting his brother to become victorious.

In order to avoid unnecessary flame wars, I am going to skip this fight altogether without any personal comment as to which I believe is what had actually happened.

6)Nagato

(note that this is the fight between the Leaf and the 6POP, not Itachi vs Nagato since that battle is about as controversial as the Itachi vs Sasuke fight)

Nagato was able to use all of the abilities of the Rinnegan and split them up between the 6 Paths of Pain and had also never lost fight before.

Why is it that his battle with the leaf ends in failure?

Now lets see his fighting style:

The 6POP were used in great coordination to cover for each others weaknesses.

This was nullified since he separated them when he attacked a whole village, who could learn more about their weaknesses since the pathes weren't able to cover for each other.

Nagato always liked to keep his identity and abilities hidden from the rest of the world in order to have the element of surprise.

In the fight with the leaf, hoowever, while they did not expect it, they were able to gather enough information about pain during their battle to relay the info to Naruto who used the info to his advantage.

Naruto was able to fight and win against the 6POP with the help of 3 boss summons, Ma and Pa, Hinata, and Kuramas chakra, but, in the end, was this whole fight a troll against Pain?

Because this was a fight between everyone in the leaf who was trying to protect Naruto, and Pain lost to Naruto due to his lack of judgement and Naruto's intel on his abilities and overall cunning with his clone jutsu, this fight was a legitaimate win for the Leaf village. Since no one ever had full knowledge of Pain's abilities and was unable to defeat him, it makes it even more convincing that it wasnt a troll against Nagato because it further emphasises the power of intel and preparation, even against something as powerful as the rinnegan.

Plz no flaming.

PS. I know Konan and Kisame are not on here. I will go into discussion if you guys want to though.

Twin Steps · Mar 4, 2013

Also, you forgot yo mention for nagato that he wasn't at full power (destroyed village, fought kakashi, bad health) and he was trying to capture n' not kill Naruto.

Deadai · Mar 4, 2013

I disagree with Hidan & Kakuzu being nerfed

Hidan was simply outwitted
Kakuzu made a single mistake which cost him his life

~Puppet Master~ · Mar 4, 2013

This thread contains nothing but the truth...

Obito3631 · Mar 4, 2013

Snape Uchiha said:
This is true. When Kisame fought Bee, he was destroying him, proving that Kisame was virtually invincible but then his sword somehow turns on him.

Bee would have still won, remember he couldn't go full hachibi

NarutoBoss98 · Mar 4, 2013

Snape Uchiha said:
This is true. When Kisame fought Bee, he was destroying him, proving that Kisame was virtually invincible but then his sword somehow turns on him.

It kind of made since though because the sword got a lot of Bees chakra so the sword became attached to him

GreenBeast · Mar 4, 2013

This is great totally agree

KGB Kakuzu · Mar 4, 2013

Lol for Hidan you could have mentioned giving him the mind of an idiot XD

For Pain you forgot the heroic efforts of a personal favorite: Hinata...if she didn't go hero mode he actually WINS!

For Kakuzu you forgot his vast expirience...no way someone with the skill and expirience to survivr Hashirama gets fooled twice by the exact same tactic....let alone a rather obvious tactic. While Kakashi back stabbing him was actually fair, it seems odd once again one with his expirience/ skill wouldn't notice him. Still even worse was his random flawed logic....goes into long range mode, jumps towards the enemy. Not only that but after the mode change he never even used his masks...bet they could have been used to propel him out of the way or even attack Naruto from behind....

Kisame also got screwed over against Gai...don't know hoe Day Time Tiger just stomps a Jutsu of similar strength....especially when it is a counter Jutsu.

Yonbiboy13 · Mar 4, 2013

I wasn't ready for this my body it cant handle the truth

Rike Senju · Mar 4, 2013

You forgot to mention on sasori's behalf that he only used 1 of his human puppets. If he would have used more than just the kazekage he would have wrecked his opponents U_U

Kurama2012 · Mar 4, 2013

bro they are ninja who fight with deception and startegy as a main weapon and they would be fools not to take the advantage all the fights in naruto are legit as thats what ninja do they take advantage of a persons weakness and dont even begin to think that akatsuki would play by the rules

Brother Numpsay · Mar 4, 2013

Deadai said:
I disagree with Hidan & Kakuzu being nerfed

Hidan was simply outwitted
Kakuzu made a single mistake which cost him his life

You have to remember though. If Hidan was allow to finish the job in the first encounter there would be no 2nd chance to be outwitted.

Kakuzu didn't make a mistake. The Opponent simply hid his presence. It was a successful ambush.

KGB Kakuzu said:
Lol for Hidan you could have mentioned giving him the mind of an idiot XD

For Pain you forgot the heroic efforts of a personal favorite: Hinata...if she didn't go hero mode he actually WINS!

For Kakuzu you forgot his vast expirience...no way someone with the skill and expirience to survivr Hashirama gets fooled twice by the exact same tactic....let alone a rather obvious tactic. While Kakashi back stabbing him was actually fair, it seems odd once again one with his expirience/ skill wouldn't notice him. Still even worse was his random flawed logic....goes into long range mode, jumps towards the enemy. Not only that but after the mode change he never even used his masks...bet they could have been used to propel him out of the way or even attack Naruto from behind....

Kisame also got screwed over against Gai...don't know hoe Day Time Tiger just stomps a Jutsu of similar strength....especially when it is a counter Jutsu.

KGB Kakuzu said:
Lol for Hidan you could have mentioned giving him the mind of an idiot XD

For Pain you forgot the heroic efforts of a personal favorite: Hinata...if she didn't go hero mode he actually WINS!
Good point out.

For Kakuzu you forgot his vast expirience...no way someone with the skill and expirience to survivr Hashirama gets fooled twice by the exact same tactic....let alone a rather obvious tactic.
He was fooled once. And that tactic was brilliant. Who would waste time fighting clones when you can just finish off the original?

While Kakashi back stabbing him was actually fair, it seems odd once again one with his expirience/ skill wouldn't notice him. Still even worse was his random flawed logic....goes into long range mode, jumps towards the enemy. Not only that but after the mode change he never even used his masks...bet they could have been used to propel him out of the way or even attack Naruto from behind....
He was in a desperate situation, so his tactic plan had to change

Kisame also got screwed over against Gai...don't know hoe Day Time Tiger just stomps a Jutsu of similar strength....especially when it is a counter Jutsu.
Yea, it should of at least clashed/canceled each other out.

Rike Senju said:
You forgot to mention on sasori's behalf that he only used 1 of his human puppets. If he would have used more than just the kazekage he would have wrecked his opponents U_U

I'm so mad that I LEFT THAT PART OUT!

Brother Numpsay · Mar 4, 2013

Kurama2012 said:
bro they are ninja who fight with deception and startegy as a main weapon and they would be fools not to take the advantage all the fights in naruto are legit as thats what ninja do they take advantage of a persons weakness and dont even begin to think that akatsuki would play by the rules

Huh? I dont understand

The Akatsuki HAD to be Nerfed in order to LOSE.

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