[VS] The Akatsuki(all akatsuki members) Vs The Five Hokage

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Minato Handles Obito and Kisame

Tobirama Handles Itachi

Hashirama Handles Nagato and Deidera

Hiruzen Handles the Rest

Tsunade Heals the other Hokages and acts as Medic
 

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MS Obito loses to Tobirama. Tobirama's use of Hiraishin, Kage Bunshin, and marked kunai should give him the win much like how Minato won. Sick Itachi loses due to chakra depletion, and Mobile Nagato rapes.

Tobirama marked Obito who couldn't use kamui, other then that he wouldn't of been able to touch him.

So you can't compare minato to Tobirama in the use of ftg.

Ms Obito rapes itachi and Nagato hard, they are all his students.

There is not one move Nagato knows that Obito can't do himself.

Even itachi's kinjustu is useless against the man who knows all of them.

Inyouton, Uchiha kinjustu, Rikudou Justu

^^ Obito acquired these powers right out of the cave from Madara.

Kamui, Katon, inzanagi, and kurama summoning is not the only thing "Ms Tobi," has in the first place.

Like I posted before, don't get it twisted...

Obito soloes these guys in an individual fight.

That's why Nagato was taking orders from him in the first place.

Itachi likewise...
 

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Tobirama is just as good as Minato in the use of Hiraishin. Obito isn't touching Tobirama, while Tobirama has the means to kill Obito. All he has to do is look for when Obito materializes and then he kills him with Hiraishingiri.
 

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Tobirama vs MS Obito goes in Tobirama's favour. There's no reason why he wouldn't be able to analyse kamui and counter it with FTG. The only difference where he'd lose is if he was surprise attacked like minato and doesn't have prepped kunai elsewhere. But in a 1 vs 1 Obito will lose imo.

I still say Hashirama and Minato or Tobirama can solo. If Hashirama makes a dozen sage mode clones, can the akatsuki handle them? No! The 5 Kage couldn't even deal with Madara's wood clones. Only reason Hashirama doesn't solo is because he needs a space time user to deal with Obito as well as support against Nagato.
 

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Tobirama is just as good as Minato in the use of Hiraishin. Obito isn't touching Tobirama, while Tobirama has the means to kill Obito. All he has to do is look for when Obito materializes and then he kills him with Hiraishingiri.

Tobirama isn't touching obito, intangibility is too fast & he will stay back & wait for the most opportune moment. He was able to warp within jinton after all. So why would obito materialize right in front of tobirama again?
 

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Do you know what "MS Tobi," is in the first place?

The only thing that changes from him to Rinnegan Obito is the jinchuriki body count and the bijuus.

Everything else is exactly the same.

Still doesn't change that he loses :|
 

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Minato solos Obito, Hashirama takes care of the rest. Other hokages are not needed
 

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Tobi>Hashirama

Nagato w/Itachi > Tobirama

Kisame, Deidara, and Sasori can delay Minato

Hiruzen >>>>> Zetsu


If Obito is not there, then the 5 hokage's win.

If not, Akatsuki wins high diff

Or simply.

Minato > Obito
hashirama > kisame,deidera,sasori
hiruzen+tobirama can both take itachi,nagato and zetsu (or keep busy till the other guys finish the others)
 

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Tobirama isn't touching obito, intangibility is too fast & he will stay back & wait for the most opportune moment. He was able to warp within jinton after all. So why would obito materialize right in front of tobirama again?
Obito needs to materialize to beat Tobirama. The moment he does, he loses, because Tobirama's faster in almost every sense.
 

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Obito needs to materialize to beat Tobirama. The moment he does, he loses, because Tobirama's faster in almost every sense.

minato only won due to his kunai obito wins against tobirama he can have some parts materilized while others arnt sike

tobirama wins ewwwwwwww its feels weird arguing for obito
 

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Still doesn't change that he loses :|

Without a proper argument....

This reply is going nowhere :|

Especially the fact that he killed minato in the first place.

And if Obito used kurama to fight minato, instead of the villagers/3rd hokage in his prime...

Obito wouldn't of been touched.

Didn't even mentioned Gedo mazou or Inyouton.

We all know how minato can't use ftg against omyoudon, him and Tobirama.

So Tobi is not losing one bit
 

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Obito needs to materialize to beat Tobirama. The moment he does, he loses, because Tobirama's faster in almost every sense.

Actually he doesn't, he has plenty of ninja who can take him out in his stead. Anyways, obito was able to teleport behind minato before he was able to notice, the same thing applies to tobirama.

& He's not faster unless he's teleporting, minato wasn't, if he was he would've attacked obito as he was getting warped, but he had to do it before obito warped him.

With more than one akatsuki on the battlefield, causing a distraction will be easy. Once they cause a large enough distraction obito can warp behind him & teleport him away. FTG V2 was minato's only way of hitting obito, & that situation will only occur in a 1v1 so it's not happening here.
 

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Or simply.

Minato > Obito
hashirama > kisame,deidera,sasori
hiruzen+tobirama can both take itachi,nagato and zetsu (or keep busy till the other guys finish the others)

Obito > minato, otherwise he wouldn't of died in the first.

This post is as pointless as Kakashi > Obito in dimensions.

We all know why he lost in the first place.
 

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No, but seriously though...Akatsuki could win. Obito warps all his teammates except Deidara, and then has Deidara use C0 to kill all the hokages at once.
 

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Actually he doesn't, he has plenty of ninja who can take him out in his stead. Anyways, obito was able to teleport behind minato before he was able to notice, the same thing applies to tobirama.

& He's not faster unless he's teleporting, minato wasn't, if he was he would've attacked obito as he was getting warped, but he had to do it before obito warped him.

With more than one akatsuki on the battlefield, causing a distraction will be easy. Once they cause a large enough distraction obito can warp behind him & teleport him away. FTG V2 was minato's only way of hitting obito, & that situation will only occur in a 1v1 so it's not happening here.
Minato didn't even know what Tobi could do until he warped behind him, so you can't use that for this scenario. Tobirama rides along with Hashirama on his Mokuton constructs, so while the rest of the Akatsuki are busy trying to take down his Mokuton, Obito will attempt to warp behind both Hashirama and Tobirama, which won't work because Hashirama will be in SM and that grants him SM sensing, and Tobirama's already a top-tier sensor anyway. Obito isn't taking anyone by surprise in this match-up.

As he's getting warped, Tobirama flicks his kunai up, teleports to it and then kills Obito. It's that simple. Minato didn't have a clue what was going on which is why he teleported away as soon as Obito tried to warp him, and that was mainly because he didn't know of Obito's abilities. As soon as Tobirama sees Obito teleport away, he'll instantly know what's going on, giving him a pretty good sense of awareness. A 1v1 will happen, considering that's the only way MS Obito can fight; he'll attempt to catch Hashirama/Tobirama off guard by warping behind them and then teleporting them into the Kamui dimension.
 

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Minato didn't even know what Tobi could do until he warped behind him, so you can't use that for this scenario.

& Why not? Tobi has no idea of what obito can do either, he's never seen kamui. The same thing applies.

Tobirama rides along with Hashirama on his Mokuton constructs, so while the rest of the Akatsuki are busy trying to take down his Mokuton, Obito will attempt to warp behind both Hashirama and Tobirama, which won't work because Hashirama will be in SM and that grants him SM sensing, and Tobirama's already a top-tier sensor anyway. Obito isn't taking anyone by surprise in this match-up.

Deidara/Deva path/Asura path can easily keep them separated with their explosions & AoE attacks. & With the addition of flight they aren't being reached. & Why would obito dare to warp behind two sensors at once? He obviously knows better than that, he will wait for them to be separated among the chaos.

As he's getting warped, Tobirama flicks his kunai up, teleports to it and then kills Obito. It's that simple.

Lml that's not happening, did minato have time to do that? Tobirama doesn't either. Once he's getting warped it's over, the only time tobi has a chance at hitting obito is before he tries to warp, any other attempt will be met with intangibility or just by getting sent to kamui land.

Minato didn't have a clue what was going on which is why he teleported away as soon as Obito tried to warp him, and that was mainly because he didn't know of Obito's abilities.

It doesn't matter if he had a clue or not, he had a kunai in his hand that he could've easily used, but he resorted to the already prepared one. Then there's the fact that it was delayed & whatnot.

As soon as Tobirama sees Obito teleport away, he'll instantly know what's going on, giving him a pretty good sense of awareness.

& why would obito teleport away right in front of his enemies? Bad strategy if you ask me. U_U He can just hop on top of animal path/deidara's bird, then when he warps nobody would be the wiser.

A 1v1 will happen, considering that's the only way MS Obito can fight; he'll attempt to catch Hashirama/Tobirama off guard by warping behind them and then teleporting them into the Kamui dimension.

No it's not. Obito fights best with teammates. While the team is keeping his enemies busy he can warp behind them whenever he wants. That means during an attack, during a defense, during someone's death, during the beginning of the fight, the end, in between, etc. A 1v1 is never happening here & if obito somehow finds himself in such a situation he can warp back to his team no problem.

@Bold: That isn't a 1v1 situation, that's obito exploiting his teammates to create an opening. A 1v1 is like what happened b/w obito & minato.
 
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& Why not? Tobi has no idea of what obito can do either, he's never seen kamui. The same thing applies.
He didn't even know he was on the battlefield, whereas this battle starts with both teams being face-to-face.
Deidara/Deva path/Asura path can easily keep them separated with their explosions & AoE attacks. & With the addition of flight they aren't being reached. & Why would obito dare to warp behind two sensors at once? He obviously knows better than that, he will wait for them to be separated among the chaos.
Shinsuusenju tramples them all to the ground while Tobirama rides on top of it. Their AoE attacks can barely do anything to Hashirama's smaller Mokuton constructs anyway, once he pulls out the Buddha, it's game over.
Lml that's not happening, did minato have time to do that? Tobirama doesn't either. Once he's getting warped it's over, the only time tobi has a chance at hitting obito is before he tries to warp, any other attempt will be met with intangibility or just by getting sent to kamui land.
His instinct was to teleport away because Obito took him complete off guard, but even though he took him off guard, he still had time to raise two fingers up and activate Hiraishin [ ]. If he had time to do that then Tobirama sure as heck can flick his kunai up, especially since he's reacted to speeds much, much greater than Kamui teleportation [ ].
It doesn't matter if he had a clue or not, he had a kunai in his hand that he could've easily used, but he resorted to the already prepared one. Then there's the fact that it was delayed & whatnot.
He experienced something he hasn't ever experienced before. The main thing to do when that happens? Retreat.
& why would obito teleport away right in front of his enemies? Bad strategy if you ask me. U_U He can just hop on top of animal path/deidara's bird, then when he warps nobody would be the wiser.
Fair enough then, Tobirama gathers intel about everyone's abilities while they try to fight Hashirama and his constructs. Or both Hashirama and Tobirama send out Clones to fight Akatsuki and gather intel through them.
No it's not. Obito fights best with teammates. While the team is keeping his enemies busy he can warp behind them whenever he wants. That means during an attack, during a defense, during someone's death, during the beginning of the fight, the end, in between, etc. A 1v1 is never happening here & if obito somehow finds himself in such a situation he can warp back to his team no problem.
Hashirama himself will be keeping Akatsuki busy. All Tobirama will do is watch on and find out about their abilities. His team will be gone quick enough.
@Bold: That isn't a 1v1 situation, that's obito exploiting his teammates to create an opening. A 1v1 is like what happened b/w obito & minato.
OK, it still isn't catching them off guard because they're top tier sensors.

Most of Akatsuki get blitzed by Tobirama throwing a marked kunai at them and then teleporting both Hashirama and any of his Mokuton constructs to mow them down. Tobirama could just clean up after that.
 

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He didn't even know he was on the battlefield, whereas this battle starts with both teams being face-to-face.

Again I said so what? If obito doesn't teleport in front of tobirama then he has just as much info as minato had. Whether they're face to face or not doesn't matter if tobirama doesn't know that obito can warp right behind him.

Shinsuusenju tramples them all to the ground while Tobirama rides on top of it. Their AoE attacks can barely do anything to Hashirama's smaller Mokuton constructs anyway, once he pulls out the Buddha, it's game over.

Shinsuusenju requires a large amount of senjutsu chakra, which is the reason why it took hashi longer than normal to cast, & why he had to keep his hands together for an extended period of time. As the akatsuki bombards the hokage hashi will have no choice but to use his base mokuton in order to defend. He will need an opening in order to create the statue, & in any case hashi is still vulnerable at the top of it.

Barely do anything to hashi's mokuton? Lol Wut? What if konan covers it in explosive tags? Satetsu is strong & fast enough to cut through it. Shinra tensei flattens it, GSB eats it, amaterasu burns it, C-3 will damage it, hell even oro's snakes did a decent job at restraining the . Mokuton isn't as big of a deal as you're making it out to be.

His instinct was to teleport away because Obito took him complete off guard, but even though he took him off guard, he still had time to raise two fingers up and activate Hiraishin [ ]. If he had time to do that then Tobirama sure as heck can flick his kunai up, especially since he's reacted to speeds much, much greater than Kamui teleportation [ ].

He took minato off guard just like he'll take tobi off guard. & No, those are obito's fingers, you don't need to use handsigns to activate hiraishin. [ ] :rolleyes: So tobi isn't getting enough time to flick his kunai up.

Can you prove that juubito's speed is faster than kamui teleportation? We know the gudo-damas are but the gudo-dama speed =/= JJ speed. & Obito has warped away from a point blank KCM naruto attack, his teleportation is portrayed to be lightspeed, & he has warped in & out of a jinton after it started but before it finished. Now unless jinton is slow [ ] [ ] then that would be one of the fastest speed feats in the manga aside from actual teleportation & obvious exceptions like 8G.

Obito has blitzed & outsped sensors on multiple occasions [karin, fuu, KCM naruto], having the opportunity to warp some of them before they even know what's happening. Now I'm not saying that tobirama will be completely blitzed, because he is fast. But he isn't going to have the chance to do anything once he gets grabbed for a warp, not without prep or at least info.

He experienced something he hasn't ever experienced before. The main thing to do when that happens? Retreat.

So then why would tobi try to counter in that same situation? You said he would flick his kunai up, teleport to it, & kill obito? Well then why didn't minato do that? If it's because of what you're saying then tobi would do the same thing.

Fair enough then, Tobirama gathers intel about everyone's abilities while they try to fight Hashirama and his constructs. Or both Hashirama and Tobirama send out Clones to fight Akatsuki and gather intel through them.

"Gathering intel" can easily result in tobirama's death.

& Clones divide chakra so with the amount of attacks the akatsuki has at their disposal it would be unwise for hashi to separate. He needs to have his large mokuton constructs out if he wants to have a chance at countering them.

Hashirama himself will be keeping Akatsuki busy. All Tobirama will do is watch on and find out about their abilities. His team will be gone quick enough.

There are way too many moves in the akatsuki's disposal for hashi to manage countering all of them. While tobirama is busy watching the battle he will be open for a warp. & I don't know how you think tobirama is going to gain intel on every akatsuki member before something happens to him.

OK, it still isn't catching them off guard because they're top tier sensors.

So was minato, & karin, & fuu.

Most of Akatsuki get blitzed by Tobirama throwing a marked kunai at them and then teleporting both Hashirama and any of his Mokuton constructs to mow them down. Tobirama could just clean up after that.

Shinra tensei laughs at those kunai, so does kisame's suiton. The birds can carry any akatsuki that are handicapped on the ground, deidara can rain bombs, cbt deals with mokuton in the immediate area, & without info on it they are as good as crushed anyways.

Lol Obito can even attempt to warp the team as they're trying to deal with the jutsu.
 

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Again I said so what? If obito doesn't teleport in front of tobirama then he has just as much info as minato had. Whether they're face to face or not doesn't matter if tobirama doesn't know that obito can warp right behind him.
lol, no, Tobirama at least knows Obito's there. He'll be alert throughout the entire battle, whereas Minato had a very low sense of awareness when Obito tried to Kamui blitz him.
Shinsuusenju requires a large amount of senjutsu chakra, which is the reason why it took hashi longer than normal to cast, & why he had to keep his hands together for an extended period of time. As the akatsuki bombards the hokage hashi will have no choice but to use his base mokuton in order to defend. He will need an opening in order to create the statue, & in any case hashi is still vulnerable at the top of it.
Extended period of time? It takes him a few seconds to enter SM [ ][ ].

I'm pretty sure he'll get a second or two to enter SM. If not, he sends away a Mokuton Clone and has it enter SM.
Barely do anything to hashi's mokuton? Lol Wut? What if konan covers it in explosive tags? Satetsu is strong & fast enough to cut through it. Shinra tensei flattens it, GSB eats it, amaterasu burns it, C-3 will damage it, hell even oro's snakes did a decent job at restraining the . Mokuton isn't as big of a deal as you're making it out to be.
Seriously? You're comparing such a small part of the Shinju to Hashirama's Mokuton constructs that are the size of full Kurama? You reckon Orochimaru could also restrain Hashirama's constructs too? You aren't giving me any scans here. Konan's low quality explosions aren't doing jack all to the Mokuton constructs, Shinra Tensei isn't doing anything either. At best, it'll just push the Mokuton construct away, and considering it can't feel pain, it'll ultimately do nothing to the Mokuton. The Mokuton will just ignore Amaterasu, it isn't even hot enough to burn through flesh, it isn't bringing anything down, and Madara's already used Katon on his Mokuton and it did nothing in stopping it. You're just listing me a bunch of stuff, and they aren't capable of taking down full Kurama/PS sized constructs [ ][ ].
He took minato off guard just like he'll take tobi off guard. & No, those are obito's fingers, you don't need to use handsigns to activate hiraishin. [ ] :rolleyes: So tobi isn't getting enough time to flick his kunai up.
Those are Obito's fingers? Lmao... do you want me to circle it out for you? Yeah, Hiraishin can be used without hand seals, but Minato has a tendency to use a hand seal when he uses Hiraishin [ ].
Can you prove that juubito's speed is faster than kamui teleportation? We know the gudo-damas are but the gudo-dama speed =/= JJ speed. & Obito has warped away from a point blank KCM naruto attack, his teleportation is portrayed to be lightspeed, & he has warped in & out of a jinton after it started but before it finished. Now unless jinton is slow [ ] [ ] then that would be one of the fastest speed feats in the manga aside from actual teleportation & obvious exceptions like 8G.
KCM Naruto's speed is inconsistent. Please don't use him as an example.

KCM Minato got blitzed by Juubito [ ][ ], and we know base Minato's reactions > Kamui's speed. So if Minato couldn't react to Juubito, then I'm pretty sure that Juubito's faster than Kamui.

Tobirama's reactions allow him to flick his kunai up while being warped. If he could react to Juubito, then he can react to almost anything.
Obito has blitzed & outsped sensors on multiple occasions [karin, fuu, KCM naruto], having the opportunity to warp some of them before they even know what's happening. Now I'm not saying that tobirama will be completely blitzed, because he is fast. But he isn't going to have the chance to do anything once he gets grabbed for a warp, not without prep or at least info.
-Minato put his fingers up while being warped away by Kamui.

-Tobirama has at least equal reaction speed to Minato.
So then why would tobi try to counter in that same situation? You said he would flick his kunai up, teleport to it, & kill obito? Well then why didn't minato do that? If it's because of what you're saying then tobi would do the same thing.
Like I've said before, Minato had no sense of awareness, because he thought only Kurama was on the battlefield. Plus, Tobirama's been shown to effectively counterattack even though he's been taken off guard, hence the Juubito blitz, and countering Madara even though he unexpectedly reacted to Tobirama's blitz [ ][ ]. These were not plans Tobirama had preemptively made, these were his instincts.
"Gathering intel" can easily result in tobirama's death.

& Clones divide chakra so with the amount of attacks the akatsuki has at their disposal it would be unwise for hashi to separate. He needs to have his large mokuton constructs out if he wants to have a chance at countering them.
lol, Hashirama has comparable chakra reserves to Kurama, and he was planning to make Mokuton constructs to deal with Juubi Bombs through his Mokuton Clone [ ] and considering Hashirama needed a Kurama sized Mokujin to deal with Kurama's Bijuu Bomb [ ], then I'm pretty sure Hashirama can at least make Bijuu-sized constructs with his Clone.
There are way too many moves in the akatsuki's disposal for hashi to manage countering all of them. While tobirama is busy watching the battle he will be open for a warp. & I don't know how you think tobirama is going to gain intel on every akatsuki member before something happens to him.
Through his Shadow Clones and Hashirama's Mokuton Clones. That's how he gathers intel. lol, "busy watching the battle", that isn't being busy. He's a top-tier sensor so he isn't going to be caught off guard by Obito, and I've already addressed how Tobirama deals with a Kamui blitz.
So was minato, & karin, & fuu.
When did Obito catch Karin off guard? And Minato's and Fuu's sensing feats don't even compare to Tobirama's.
Shinra tensei laughs at those kunai, so does kisame's suiton. The birds can carry any akatsuki that are handicapped on the ground, deidara can rain bombs, cbt deals with mokuton in the immediate area, & without info on it they are as good as crushed anyways.
Tobirama can teleport Hashirama and his constructs while the kunai's still travelling (i.e. FTG V2). Kisame's Suiton isn't getting to the kunai before Tobirama can teleport Hashirama, especially since Tobirama's reaction speed >>>> Kisame's Suiton speed.

-Tobirama throws the kunai.

-Kisame launches Suiton at it.

-Tobirama's reactions kick in and teleports Hashirama and himself well before the Suiton reaches the kunai.

The same goes for Almighty Push.
Lol Obito can even attempt to warp the team as they're trying to deal with the jutsu.
Yeah... I'm pretty sure Tobirama's gonna immediately figure out what Obito can do if he decides to link everyone up and then he suddenly disappears. There goes the surprise factor. Obito does that then Hashirama uses FTW and the moment Obito and his team's back, they're all asleep.
 
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