The Actual Top 10 Best Nin (Development/Fights/Depth)

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and Itachi literally dwarfs him but oh wait it your fav char listing.
Do yourself a favour get Sasuke off the list becoz he is not your fav smh
If you had read the thread you'd know why Itachi isn't on here. I literally explain it.

The fact you even think Third Raikage is a factor on a list of most developed and complexly explored characters is bewildering. I think you're on the wrong thread bud.
 

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If you had read the thread you'd know why Itachi isn't on here. I literally explain it.
Which makes it even more dumber.Shittiest part comparing him to Hidan
Itachi, Hidan, Hanzo etc. aren't viable for best-written
The fact you even think Third Raikage is a factor on a list of most developed and complexly explored characters is bewildering. I think you're on the wrong thread bud.
Yeah and where is madara uchiha then :lol oh wait he got dropped huh
 

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I'd argue that a lot of that is projecting though, so little of that is ever explored. There's an interesting set-up there but Chouji is a character whose development is prominently featured and explored with by Kishi- which is what this thread is about.
It's because Choji's development happens in like three specific moments of the manga; Hiashi's is more subtle and occurs throughout the backstory of other characters (his relationship with Hinata, why Neji hates the main branch). Some people actually find Choji's development oppressive and inferior to Hiashi's because they might not warm up to his personality (the crying load, which he doesn't fully grow out of until the War Arc), and it can get redundant (in the same way that Sakura's development can be redundant). Since Hiashi's development occurs based on how other characters relate to him over time, he's allowed to grow without having his own arcs or moments of spotlight. Plus, it's consistent.

Even if it's not given prominence or explored, there's enough there to draw the conclusions, and Hiashi is shown to have changed over time. It's a different style of development, but it doesn't necessarily invalidate it.

Although personally I don't really care about Hiashi, I'm just making the argument for the sake of it.
 

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Which makes it even more dumber.Shirttiest part coparing him to Hidan

Yeah and where is madara uchiha then :lol oh wait he got dropped huh
Hidan wasn't included bc he's a one-track character. Hanzo wasn't included bc he's an interesting premise but a background character. Itachi wasn't included bc his themes are better explored by another character without the Gary Stu fanservice (which is degrading for any character) DON'T. OVER-ANALYSE. BASIC. SENTENCES. YO.

I quite like Itachi. I LOVE Hidan and Hanzo, so that's what those nin have in common. Rereading this thread I actually dislike exactly half of these characters?? So can you not.

Why are people so so insecure and literal tonight. I also explain Madara. Try reading threads before moaning about them.
 

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It's because Choji's development happens in like three specific moments of the manga; Hiashi's is more subtle and occurs throughout the backstory of other characters (his relationship with Hinata, why Neji hates the main branch). Some people actually find Choji's development oppressive and inferior to Hiashi's because they might not warm up to his personality (the crying load, which he doesn't fully grow out of until the War Arc), and it can get redundant (in the same way that Sakura's development can be redundant). Since Hiashi's development occurs based on how other characters relate to him over time, he's allowed to grow without having his own arcs or moments of spotlight. Plus, it's consistent.

Even if it's not given prominence or explored, there's enough there to draw the conclusions, and Hiashi is shown to have changed over time. It's a different style of development, but it doesn't necessarily invalidate it.

Although personally I don't really care about Hiashi, I'm just making the argument for the sake of it.
Then i'd say that's predominantly themes explored by Neji or Hinata. Hiashi is not an explored character, i'd say that's quite sensible wouldn't you? Anyway- this thread works under that line of thinking I guess- which is why I didn't put Madara and Hashi or Itachi and Danzo when I can argue that one is a far superior representation of those themes and development.
 

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Hidan wasn't included bc he's a one-track character. Hanzo wasn't included bc he's an interesting premise but a background character. Itachi wasn't included bc his themes are better explored by another character without the Gary Stu fanservice (which is degrading for any character) DON'T. OVER-ANALYSE. BASIC. SENTENCES. YO.
Then clarify it in OP

I quite like Itachi. I LOVE Hidan and Hanzo, so that's what those nin have in common. Rereading this thread I actually dislike exactly half of these characters?? So can you not.
I do know you like all three and uses first two to bash sasuke while overrates the third becoz of your inability to read manga

Why are people so so insecure and literal tonight. I also explain Madara. Try reading threads before moaning about them.
Obito=Madara

what are you minamoto's alt
 

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Nah i think Itachi and Guy doesn't need to be in developing characters as they remained the same from start to end of the manga fully developed character wise and power wise only thing changed is their age.
 

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Nah i think Itachi and Guy doesn't need to be in developing characters as they remained the same from start to end of the manga fully developed character wise and power wise only thing changed is their age.
Somebodyyyyyy gets simple concepts eyyyyy

Very true though, they're one-beat characters. Doesn't make them bad and it's certainly not an insult like these rabid Uchiha fanboys are making it out to be.
 

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The only accurate one out of your list is Danzo, and Kabuto ... to an extent. The rest of them (bar Sasuke) are Godawful. In fact Shikamaru is a product of lazy, terrible writing; the bizarre axioms established amongst the select portion of Naruto demographic for him being even worthy of a moment's glance on this front just baffles me. In fact, he literally personifies the writer's laziness to even craft something close to possessing a semblance of a caricature, yet alone a character. Itachi stands along the same sidelines. I’ll challenge anyone to prove to me if he isn’t a silly caricature the manga accidently intended him to be.

Sasuke is the sole character in the entire manga with depth, agency, contradicting, unpredictable stances, the realism associated with a man’s psyche; you cannot predict a human being. They are unpredictable creatures, embracing persistent inconsistencies, prone to mistakes, terrible ones, marred by flaws and married to their own romantic notions of life. It’s the flaw in Sasuke, realistic flaws, his shifting personae in the face of events that charge at him and he pushes back relentlessly to get even or fall back down at fate’s mercy. It’s a repetitive cycle of a mortal man who gets no reprieve from the assaults on his soma.

That is all what a human being is; part fate and part agency. Sasuke encapsulates it so brilliantly, that I feel he is beyond the reach of an average anime viewer who hasn’t studied critical thought and various mental attribution theories in regards to understanding the psychology of characters. Honestly, even Danzo is laughable by comparison, despite being well-written for this medium.

The complexity, modern and Classical, in Sasuke’s variegated personality is unmatched in most postmodern works I have come across. He beats out Kusanagi in Ghost in the Shell by a fairly large margin; something, I never thought possible. It’s just the sheer brilliance of corrupted mystic philosophy of existence, the modern shenanigans and axioms of societal mores and the cultural dogmas he stands against. He’s the persona non grata, left outside the shores of a juggernaut who faulted and wronged him. It’s … it’s genius writing.

Honestly, Sasuke has never got the recognition and Kishimoto the well-deserved accolades for penning a genuinely accurate character that embodies the vacillating and fickle Nature of a man, the battle against the hard-held, inconceivably corrupt dogmas born of eons of indoctrination, tragedy, peripeteia, the pathos of a man and the gradual catharsis that comes when Sasuke pushes the plot back, taking the reins of chariot of Time and Fate in his own hands.

As I said, most people have never done this character justice. Its depth is a stuff of brilliance; a true literary accomplishment in such an immature medium plagued by the scourge of repetitive, tedious tropes. Sasuke embodies them and the heterogeneous mixture comes out as something astonishingly fresh. Add the symbolic, recurrent motifs of Sharingan, the struggle of clan against its own demons and you have that must more layers added to his varied and remarkably mature characterization from an author that obviously struggles between his own worth as a writer and tug of war with his clumsy editors.

Sigh …
 
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Kabuto is garbage and his flashback was extremely disappointing that brought nothing to the table let alone depth.

edit: and the fact you put him above shikamaru. wow
 

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The only accurate one out of your list is Danzo, and Kabuto ... to an extent. The rest of them (bar Sasuke) are Godawful. In fact Shikamaru is a product of lazy, terrible writing; the bizarre axioms established amongst the select portion of Naruto demographic for him being even worthy of a moment's glance on this front just baffles me. In fact, he literally personifies the writer's laziness to even craft something close to possessing a semblance of a caricature, yet alone a character. Itachi stands along the same sidelines. I’ll challenge anyone to prove to me if he isn’t a silly caricature the manga accidently intended him to be.

Sasuke is the sole character in the entire manga with depth, agency, contradicting, unpredictable stances, the realism associated with a man’s psyche; you cannot predict a human being. They are unpredictable creatures, embracing persistent inconsistencies, prone to mistakes, terrible ones, marred by flaws and married to their own romantic notions of life. It’s the flaw in Sasuke, realistic flaws, his shifting personae in the face of events that charge at him and he pushes back relentlessly to get even or fall back down at fate’s mercy. It’s a repetitive cycle of a mortal man who gets no reprieve from the assaults on his soma.

That is all what a human being is; part fate and part agency. Sasuke encapsulates it so brilliantly, that I feel he is beyond the reach of an average anime viewer who hasn’t studied critical thought and various mental attribution theories in regards to understanding the psychology of characters. Honestly, even Danzo is laughable by comparison, despite being well-written for this medium.

The complexity, modern and Classical, in Sasuke’s variegated personality is unmatched in most postmodern works I have come across. He beats out Kusanagi in Ghost in the Shell by a fairly large margin; something, I never thought possible. It’s just the sheer brilliance of corrupted mystic philosophy of existence, the modern shenanigans and axioms of societal mores and the cultural dogmas he stands against. He’s the persona non grata, left outside the shores of a juggernaut who faulted and wronged him. It’s … it’s genius writing.

Honestly, Sasuke has never got the recognition and Kishimoto the well-deserved accolades to penning a genuinely accurate character that embodies the vacillating and fickle Nature of a man, the battle against the hard-held, inconceivably corrupt dogmas born of eons of indoctrination, tragedy, peripeteia, the pathos of a man and the gradual catharsis that comes when Sasuke pushes the plot back, taking the reins of chariot of Time and Fate in his own hands.

As I said, most people have never done this character justice. Its depth is a stuff of brilliance; a true literary accomplishment in such an immature medium plagued by the scourge of repetitive, tedious tropes. Sasuke embodies them and the heterogeneous mixture comes out as something astonishingly fresh. Add the symbolic, recurrent motifs of Sharingan, the struggle of clan against its own demons and you have that must more layers added to his varied and remarkably mature characterization from an author that obviously struggles between his own worth as a writer and tug of war with his clumsy editors.

Sigh …
Whilst I may not agree to such an extent (I know that it's largely the archetype the character falls into that kind of stops me from getting connected to him) I'll rep any post like this that reasonably represents their side without being a massive d*ckhead about it. You do you Shelke. I'd happily read more of this to tell you the truth, namely about his decision to head to the battlefield after Hashirama's story- i've never put aside time to reread that with much critical detail like I have for other characters so it'd be an appreciated read.
 

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Kabuto is garbage and his flashback was extremely disappointing that brought nothing to the table let alone depth.

edit: and the fact you put him above shikamaru. wow
Nah. An identity crisis is a very real construct to explore with a character. I think Kishimoto underplays it just the right amount to be interesting. Like him or not, you can't deny that his psychological complex wasn't explored. It wasn't spelled out like it was with other characters, giving them a paint by numbers flashback of how they got to where they are.

Kabuto is a character who is an acquired taste and a slow burn i'll admit- but also one of Kishimoto's most nuanced.
 

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Nah. An identity crisis is a very real construct to explore with a character. I think Kishimoto underplays it just the right amount to be interesting. Like him or not, you can't deny that his psychological complex wasn't explored. It wasn't spelled out like it was with other characters, giving them a paint by numbers flashback of how they got to where they are.

Kabuto is a character who is an acquired taste and a slow burn i'll admit- but also one of Kishimoto's most nuanced.
and yet you don't have itachi on the list.

edit: sorry, meant nagato.
 
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Nagato had an actual psychological condition / complex? That's a new one :')
"In psychology a person who has a martyr complex, sometimes associated with the term victim complex, desires the feeling of being a martyr for his/her own sake, seeking out suffering or persecution because it either feeds a psychological need, or a desire to avoid responsibility."

nagato or perhaps obito fits this more likely.
 
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