Terrorists

[Aim64C]

Okay, to clear this up. What happened in Paris was NOT a terrorist attack.

To clear it up?

Really?

How cute.

What happened was two muslims got fed up of the islamophobic cartoons of Charlie hebdo, and decided to attack Charlie Hebdo hq.

Charlie Hebdo routinely published satire of all religions and many different ideologies. There was nothing Islamophobic about it.

As for the "two muslims got fed up" - this is, in fact, false.

Source?

Cherif Kouachi - one of the terrorists:

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"Kouachi: We’re just telling you that we are the defenders of the prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, and that I, Cherif Kouachi, was sent by “Al Qaeda in Yemen,” ok?
Journalist: Ok
Kouachi: And that I went there and that it’s imam Al-Awlaki that financed me.
Journalist: Ok, and how long ago was it?
Kouachi: It was a long time ago. Before he was killed. [inaudible]
Journalist: So you came back to France not long ago?
Kouachi: Oh yes, a while ago… the secret service I know them, don’t worry about it. I know very well how I was able to do things well.
Journalist: Ok, and now there is only you and your brother here?
Kouachi: That’s not your problem.
Journalist: Some people are behind you, or not?
Kouachi: That’s not your problem.
Journalist: Ok, and are you planning on killing again in the name of Allah or not?
Kouachi: Kill who?
Journalist: I don’t know. That’s what I’m asking you.
Kouachi: Did we kill any civilians in the past two days people have been looking for us?
Journalist: You killed journalists.
Kouachi: No but, did we kill any civilians? Civilians, or people during the two days you spent looking for us?
Journalist: Wait, wait, Cherif, Cherif, did you kill this morning?
Kouachi: But we are not killers. We are defenders of the prophet. We don’t kill women, we don’t kill anyone. We defend the prophet. If someone offend the prophet then there is no problem, we can kill him. But we don’t kill women. We’re not like you. You’re the ones killing the children of Muslims in Irak, in Syria, in Afghanistan. That’s you. Not us. We have honor codes in Islam.
Journalist: But right now you avenged yourself, no? You killed people?
Kouachi: We avenged ourselves exactly. You said it well. You said it yourself, we avenged ourselves."

No, i do not agree that violence was the best answer, nor were Charlie Hebdo okay for publishing the islamophobic cartoons they have. My heart goes out to those innocent workers who died because the company they worked for was ignorant. Yet, freedom of speech cannot be used as a defense for CH. They were completely disrespectful and freedom of speech should not defend such behaviour. Muslims are being attacked and abused publicly now because people are misusing the term "terrorist" sadly.

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A cartoon from Charlie Hebdo.

Allow me to quote from the Qu'ran, so that you may understand what it is you are doing:

From Surat At-Tawbah (Surat 9):

29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled. 30 The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded? 31 They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah , and [also] the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him. 32 They want to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah refuses except to perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it. 33 It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it.

34 O you who have believed, indeed many of the scholars and the monks devour the wealth of people unjustly and avert [them] from the way of Allah . And those who hoard gold and silver and spend it not in the way of Allah - give them tidings of a painful punishment. 35 The Day when it will be heated in the fire of Hell and seared therewith will be their foreheads, their flanks, and their backs, [it will be said], "This is what you hoarded for yourselves, so taste what you used to hoard." 36 Indeed, the number of months with Allah is twelve [lunar] months in the register of Allah [from] the day He created the heavens and the earth; of these, four are sacred. That is the correct religion, so do not wrong yourselves during them. And fight against the disbelievers collectively as they fight against you collectively. And know that Allah is with the righteous [who fear Him].

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Do you understand what you statements amount to?

Submission to Islam.

Be wary of making deals with the devil, young one.

The picture on the right showing israeli president killing palestinians was published in Sunday Times while attacks on Gaza last summer. Her author Rupert Murdoh was to apologize. Despite of Netanyahu is guilty of death of thousands palestinians, picture was considered as a manifestation of anti-Semitism.

Frankly, it is.

Question: Who 'made' her apologize?

The picture on the left was published in popular magazine Charlie Hebdo on the occasion of military coup in Egypt where the dictator Sisis killed thousands of people. The comment in the picture says: ”Quran turned out not to be bulletproof.” By this picture authorts showed disrespect for the killed people and holy book of islam but they weren't to apologize. So where is justice?

The statement is in regard to the belief that Allah does not allow non-believers to triumph over believers:

9:13 Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun [the attack upon] you the first time? Do you fear them? But Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are [truly] believers.

6:14 Fight them; Allah will punish them by your hands and will disgrace them and give you victory over them and satisfy the breasts of a believing people

Obviously, the Egyptians weren't true believers. So it's not really anti-muslim, now is it?

To add, should we also call the KKK terrorists, as they are people who belong to a religion and kill people (on a cross). But i guess because they are white people killing a minority, it doesn't count.

*shrug*

How many people have the KKK killed within the past 20 years?

How many people have chicago street gangs killed in the past 20 years?

If we want to call the KKK terrorists - fine.

Then what do we call Occupy Wall Street, #BlackLivesMatter, and the Black Panthers?

 

[merule27]

I dont care what the cartoonists did, their actions did not warrant the killing of people. dumb f*** terrorists. And theyre a bunch of hypocrites. The word Islam actually means "Peace", and these terrorists are sure fking up this definition

I mean let's face it most Muslims would not carry out an attack like this but, and I'm paraphrasing this next sentence from Bill Maher, most would say that the attack was justified because they insulted the Prophet Muhammad. It's like all bets are off when someone insults the Prophet. I'm not asking for "all muslims to be killed" cause there was a point in time where Catholics were just like this in the medieval times. I just believe they need to reach some sort of enlightenment period where they lighten up on their fervency for their religion like many other countries have.

 

[Raxido]

“The ‘affirmative task’ before us is to “create a New World Order.”
–VP Joe Biden, speech Import Export Bank, April 5, 2013

“How I Learned to Love the New World Order”
–article by Sen. Joseph R. Biden, Jr. Wall Street Journal, April 1992

“We will succeed in the Gulf. And when we do, the world community will have sent an enduring warning to any dictator or despot, present or future, who contemplates outlaw aggression. The world can therefore seize this opportunity to fufill the long-held promise of a new world order – where brutality will go unrewarded, and aggression will meet collective resistance.”
–President George HW Bush, State of the Union Address 1991

“The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control. Do I mean a conspiracy? Yes, I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, incredibly evil in intent.”
–Rep. Larry P. MacDonald, killed in Korean Air Lines 007, 1983

Richard Milhous Nixon, 37th President of the U...
Richard Milhous Nixon, 37th President of the United States (Photo credit: Wikipedia)
“Each of us has the hope to build a New World Order.”
–President Richard Nixon, Hangzhou, China, February 1972

“We are moving toward a new world order, the world of communism. We shall never turn off that road.”
–Mikhail Gorbachev, 1987

“I think that his [Obama’s] task will be to develop an overall strategy for America in this period, when really a New World Order can be created.”
–Henry Kissinger, CNBC 2008

“In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn’t such a great idea after all.”
–Strobe Talbot, Deputy Secretary of State, TIME, July l992


Do some research. Listen to a few speeches by previous presidents.

Spoiler

list of quotes by famous individuals that reflect their knowledge of Government, Banking, Military, and Media control - or otherwise known as the "New World Order."

"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson."
- U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt in a letter written Nov. 21, 1933 to Colonel E. Mandell House

“If congress has the right under the Constitution to issue paper money, it was given them to use themselves, not to be delegated to individuals or corporations.”
- Andrew Jackson

“The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credits needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of consumers. By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity.”
- Abraham Lincoln

We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans."
- Bill Clinton, USA Today on 3/11/93, page 2a

“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.”
- Henry Ford

"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government."
- Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference in Evians, France, 1991

"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining super capitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."
- Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets

“Some even believe we (the Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”
- David Rockefeller, Memoirs, page 405

"It is the system of nationalist individualism that has to go....We are living in the end of the sovereign states....In the great struggle to evoke a Westernized World Socialism, contemporary governments may vanish....Countless people...will hate the new world order....and will die protesting against it." - H.G. Wells, in his book, “The New World Order”, 1940

“Bankers own the earth; take it away from them but leave them with the power to create credit; and, with a flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again... If you want to be slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let the bankers control money and control credit.”
- Sir Josiah Stamp, Director, Bank of England, 1940.

"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."
- David Rockefeller

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years... It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."
- David Rockefeller, Bilderberg Meeting, June 1991 Baden, Germany

"The few who understand the system, will either be so interested from it's profits or so dependent on it's favors, that there will be no opposition from that class." - Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild
“Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws."
- Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild

“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war.” –
Abraham Lincoln - In a letter written to William Elkin

"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all."
- Strobe Talbot, President Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, Time Magazine, July 20th, l992

Didnt read all of it, but enough that had prrof of NWO, they're really scary

 

[WhistleBlower]

I guess that means all of you black people are the same... oh, wait, that's a racist comment.

My bad.

Im not black ..baka. I'm a revert. I am an australian muslim.

 

[Desiigner]

Oi kient, take that picture off right now! I swear all you white people are the same...ignorant bigots.

I guess that means all of you black people are the same... oh, wait, that's a racist comment.

My bad.

@Uchiha Usman, your comment was also racist. (coming from a african muslim)
So you guys, just stop it already. As if this topic isn't already enough.

 

[Cunning Linguist]

Oi kient, take that picture off right now! I swear all you white people are the same...ignorant bigots.

I won't. I live in America. I can draw pictures like that everyday if I want. I can show it to people. Oh you get offended? Too damn bad. It's so great not living in a backwards ass country

 

[Luther]

I despise when people mindlessly label a certain individual or group due to the few actions of the ignorant people. Muslim are not terrorist i am from nigeria where we have a group called boko haram that kidnapped over 50 girls and forced them to convert to islam or sold them off and have killed so many innocents but that in no way speaks for the majority. I have Muslim friends and they are very friendly and laid back, do not believe in the stereotypes of the society experience is the best teacher. I am not only talking as a civil right activist but as a fellow negroe and black man who understands what it means to be subjected to stereotypes and preconceived ideas of people.

 

[Aim64C]

Hmm so thats the real story huh?

Not really.

It was an operation conducted by Al Qaeda.

Multiple phone calls were made by this man and those he contacted. Sleeper cells have been activated.

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"Ahmedy Coulibaly, a suspect killed Friday during a deadly kosher market hostage siege, had made several phone calls about targeting police officers in France, according to the source.

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Kouachi, who was studying Arabic grammar, and underwear bomber Umar Farouk AbdulMutallab previously were roommates for one to two weeks in Yemen's capital, Sanaa, living in the same small apartment, al-Kibsi said. Abdulmutallab is serving a life sentence for trying to bring down a Northwest airlines flight over Detroit on Christmas Day 2009 with an underwear bomb.

Kouachi's residence was very near to the famous Al-Tabari School and he and AbdulMutallab used to pray together there, said al-Kibsi by telephone Saturday. It wasn't clear when they were roommates, but AbdulMutallab was arrested after the 2009 bombing attempt.

Al Kibsi said Kouachi first went to Yemen in 2009, and stayed until mid-2010 before leaving briefly and returning at the end of that year. Kouachi remained in Yemen most of 2011, according to Kibsi, who said he met the man twice.

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While Said Kouachi is suspected of links to al Qaeda in Yemen, Cherif Kouachi has a long history of jihad and anti-Semitism, according to documents obtained by CNN. In a 400-page court record, he is described as wanting to go to Iraq through Syria "to go and combat the Americans."

Cherif Kouachi was a close associate of Coulibaly, a Western intelligence source told CNN.

Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula claimed responsibility for orchestrating the Charlie Hebdo attack, the founder of the magazine The Intercept, Jeremy Scahill, told CNN. CNN has not independently confirmed this claim.

A man claiming to be Amedy Coulibaly, the hostage-taker at the Paris grocery store, told CNN affiliate BFMTV that he belonged to the Islamist militant group ISIS."

This is just the beginning.

Interesting, i say my condolences to those families ruined by this event and other terrorist events. As a muslim from Australia, id like to say the cartoons were disgusting , vulgar and highly offensive .

As a Christian, I'd like to welcome you to the ****ing club. I'll pass you the collective tear jar.

But violence isn't the answer, they should've gathered people held a peaceful protest for the dude to resign or remove and in the future refrain from publishing such cartoons which cause all sorts of problems .

Or, you know, we could prosecute the people who commit violence and preserve the concept of free speech.

in all honesty, what did the magazine think was gonna happen?

Wrong question.

Why is it that people who would commit violence over a magazine they are not forced to buy are allowed to persist?

If you pour oil on fire , you will get burned. Because of the owner mthfker innocent employees died. The boss of the magazine should be held responsible also. The proper law term he should be charged with should be "vicarious liability".

Question:

If I hunt someone down and kill them for 'stealing my girl' - can I then hold her 'vicariously liable' for murder? Didn't she know what was going to happen?

I mean, it's not like I'm in control of my own actions, or anything - she made me do it, obviously. She poured oil on the fire of our dissolving relationship and a man died because of it.

 

[~WastelandSociety~]

It was a terriost attack rather you like to hear it or not.
They tried to use fear (terror) and violence to complete their goal.
That goal was to try and stop those people for making foul cartoons.

It was freedom of speech being attacked as well. Just because someone say something bad about you or a god you can't see doesn't mean you should kill...
Yes the KKK are terriost as well,anyone that use fear and violence can be a terriost, so what's your point.

You can't just sugar coat it by saying their not terriost. Or saying that Muslims are getting a bad name due to the word terrorist.. If they don't want a bad name then maybe they should do something about their own people. Which they are in most cases.

Also people will disagree but this was an act of religious war.
I've heard from this Muslim guy that is famous for his talk show in his country saying that whats going on with these terrorist attacks are an act of religious war.
These people pride got hurt so they kill,yet they say it's for peace which is nonsense.
You don't kill over words.
Also this type of fighting been going on for years,along with other religion as well. You be a fool to deny it.
It's just different now cause how connected everyone is through technology in this world. That these nut jobs just don't have control over the minds that don't agree with their religion. It's a threat to them.

 

[Cunning Linguist]

It was a terriost attack rather you like to hear it or not.
They tried to use fear (terror) and violence to complete their goal.
That goal was to try and stop those people for making foul cartoons.

It was freedom of speech being attacked as well. Just because someone say something bad about you or a god you can't see doesn't mean you should kill...
Yes the KKK are terriost as well,anyone that use fear and violence can be a terriost, so what's your point.

You can't just sugar coat it by saying their not terriost. Or saying that Mulims are getting a bad name due to the word terrorist.. If they don't want a bad name then maybe they should do something about their own people. Which they are in most cases.

Also people will disagree but this was an act of religious war.
I've heard from this Muslim guy that is famous for his talk show in his country saying that whats going on with these terrorist attacks are an act of religious war.
These people pride got hurt so they kill,yet they say it's for peace which is nonsense.
You don't kill over words.
Also this type of fighting been going on for years,along with other religion as well. You be a fool to deny it.
It's just different now cause how connected everyone is through technology in this world. That these nut jobs just don't have control over the minds that don't agree with their religion. It's a threat to them.

Thank you. All religions do stupid crap. Christians have Westboro Baptist. Muslims have extremists. At least Westboro Baptist only pickets funerals and is non violent, while having less than 40 members. Muslim extremists commit large scale attacks of terrorism. And I guess Jews launch bombs on Gaza since people always like dragging them into this

 

[Aim64C]

jihadi? Hahahaa your funny. I give u that.

Actually ohh shoots, his discovered me. Nooooo, what will i do now..

What you are, and what you believe you are, constitute two different things.

You'll learn this in time as the violence against non-muslims in Australia grows. By the time you realize what is going on, it will be very difficult to leave Islam and escape the lethal consequences.

 

[WhistleBlower]

What you are, and what you believe you are, constitute two different things.

You'll learn this in time as the violence against non-muslims in Australia grows. By the time you realize what is going on, it will be very difficult to leave Islam and escape the lethal consequences.

Lethal consequences? You threatening me? Lol

All I'm doing is defending my religion. I never talked about getting in arms and going crazy on innocents. My main purpose in first post in this thread to just say that the owner of the magazine should publish jokes other than religion jokes. Doesn't matter what religion, just don't post religious jokes.

Don't start on the freedom of speech crap. I reckon jokes without religion in the magazine and there is peace and no fights > freedom of speech in these instances.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

It was a terriost attack rather you like to hear it or not.
They tried to use fear (terror) and violence to complete their goal.
That goal was to try and stop those people for making foul cartoons.

It was freedom of speech being attacked as well. Just because someone say something bad about you or a god you can't see doesn't mean you should kill...
Yes the KKK are terriost as well,anyone that use fear and violence can be a terriost, so what's your point.

You can't just sugar coat it by saying their not terriost. Or saying that Muslims are getting a bad name due to the word terrorist.. If they don't want a bad name then maybe they should do something about their own people. Which they are in most cases.

Also people will disagree but this was an act of religious war.
I've heard from this Muslim guy that is famous for his talk show in his country saying that whats going on with these terrorist attacks are an act of religious war.
These people pride got hurt so they kill,yet they say it's for peace which is nonsense.
You don't kill over words.
Also this type of fighting been going on for years,along with other religion as well. You be a fool to deny it.
It's just different now cause how connected everyone is through technology in this world. That these nut jobs just don't have control over the minds that don't agree with their religion. It's a threat to them.

Then why isn't gang violence referred to as terrorism?

What you are, and what you believe you are, constitute two different things.

You'll learn this in time as the violence against non-muslims in Australia grows. By the time you realize what is going on, it will be very difficult to leave Islam and escape the lethal consequences.

Consequences of what? He didn't do shit.

It's funny how all of this comes from a Christian.

 

[Defence]

What you are, and what you believe you are, constitute two different things.

You'll learn this in time as the violence against non-muslims in Australia grows. By the time you realize what is going on, it will be very difficult to leave Islam and escape the lethal consequences.

Very ignorant and pure over generalisation. Just how many Muslims are in Australia? On the planet even? Billions. What were they doing before 911? And what are 99.9999999 percent of them doing now? Getting on with their lives.

 

[Aim64C]

All I'm doing is my religion. I never talked about getting in arms and going crazy on innocents.

Your religion?

What do you know of your religion?

My main purpose in first post in this thread to just say that the owner of the magazine should publish jokes other than religion jokes. Doesn't matter what religion, just don't post religious jokes.

Why should religious jokes be exempted?

Who gets to decide what is and isn't a religion? Is Taoism a religion? Or is it a philosophy? How about Wicca? Australia has a present Wiccan population (I know at least one).

I mean - what if I start joking about Green Peace? Or Occupy Wall Street? Or the TEA Party?

Don't their feelings get offended, too?

Don't start on the freedom of speech crap. I reckon jokes without religion in the magazine and there is peace and no fights > freedom of speech in these instances.

Why do jokes over religion have to result in fights?

Is the problem with the joke - or the response to the joke?

 

[Cunning Linguist]

All I'm doing is my religion. I never talked about getting in arms and going crazy on innocents. My main purpose in first post in this thread to just say that the owner of the magazine should publish jokes other than religion jokes. Doesn't matter what religion, just don't post religious jokes.

Don't start on the freedom of speech crap. I reckon jokes without religion in the magazine and there is peace and no fights > freedom of speech in these instances.

They post political jokes too. But religions are the easiest targets since that gets people riled up. Plus the jokes basically write themselves

Then why isn't gang violence referred to as terrorism?


Consequences of what? He didn't do shit.

Strictly speaking, gang violence is usually contained within other gangs. They commit violence to control territory. They don't normally have underlying methods in their violence. Gangs aren't very smart

 

[WhistleBlower]

Your religion?

What do you know of your religion?



Why should religious jokes be exempted?

Who gets to decide what is and isn't a religion? Is Taoism a religion? Or is it a philosophy? How about Wicca? Australia has a present Wiccan population (I know at least one).

I mean - what if I start joking about Green Peace? Or Occupy Wall Street? Or the TEA Party?

Don't their feelings get offended, too?



Why do jokes over religion have to result in fights?

Is the problem with the joke - or the response to the joke?

Both kinda

 

[Aim64C]

Very ignorant and pure over generalisation. Just how many Muslims are in Australia? On the planet even? Billions. What were they doing before 911? And what are 99.9999999 percent of them doing now? Getting on with their lives.

There are not billions.

There are a little over one billion.

And some of the statistics are not what one would call "favorable:"

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[Defence]

There are not billions.

There are a little over one billion.

And some of the statistics are not what one would call "favorable:"

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Data source?

 

[Bronze]

Aim64C, you're still spreading your false interpretation of Islamic scriptures, I see. I must say, though; it's very entertaining.

OT: I don't classify it as Terrorist Attack, either. It was more of a murder. If those killers wanted to spread fear throughout the population, it would be considered as terrorism. This attack was rather a murder. And those victims shouldn't offend culture and religion for sense of humour, so they had what was coming to them.