TheEvilOne
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For the innocent civilians apparently. ( who also have guns at home most likely, cuz why not )
Terrorist attack in Las Vegas
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I wonder why these mass shootings are getting worse? Well it's because we are not changing anything when it comes to our guns and are just trying to blatantly play stupid(mostly the Republicans or gun lovers) as if this is not the core problem to why things are getting worse. If every civilian are just able to carry a handgun then these mass shootings will not have to be up in the 50's.
I hope they ban bump fire stocks cuz otherwise these mass shootings are just gonna get worse.
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These numbers would not need to be this high if we just ban heavy arms, and I don't care about people that like to go hunting, or people who just like to collect guns for the fun of it. There are no need for such high tech and dangerous weapons to the average citizen.I hope they ban bump fire stocks cuz otherwise these mass shootings are just gonna get worse.
You just quoted media talking points. Find out the stats on gun deaths in the US yearly. Find the percentage that comes from 'Mass shootings'. Educate us on what the vast majority of gun deaths come from.
Meanwhile in the next couple of years, let's not ban heavy guns and let's see if things will get better just as they have been in the last few years. xD
My information ain't off dawg, you're just being incredibly ignorant to what is shown in front of you, but you find Trump to be a funny president so who am I even talking to. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Deflect. Deflect. Deflect.
What did you show me that I'm being ignorant to? I asked you to do some research into gun deaths and you chose to remain ignorant. Me finding President Trump funny has nothing to do with my stance on gun deaths.
Only one doing the deflecting here is you. Quite convenient how you chose to not even disprove any of the points I made in my first post, chose to keep ignoring the obvious fact that changes to gun laws has to be made, and that the last 2 massive shootings in modern US history just so happens to have been with heavy armed guns, but sure. I am the one who is doing the dodging when you can only tell me to do my own research when you can't even properly put up an argument on my earlier points or even provide me with these little statistics yourself.
You think you're right? Then post your little facts and stop wasting my time with this baseless bickering.
You didn't make any points.
So just ban all the AR's and all with be fixed, right?
You didn't have any points. All you said was 2 shooting events happened and that these guns should be banned. You didn't come to that conclusion yourself, which is obvious, because your argument is a mirror image of how 'liberal' media outlets are reporting.
I don't think I'm right, I know I am. I'm all for banning AR's because yeah they are quite unnecessary. However, if you're going to say that in response to the shooting in Las Vegas or Orlando you're simply feeding into the storm. If you genuinely cared about people being killed by guns, you would do your googles and understand that while mass shootings are horrendous, they are but a rain drop in a lake of gun violence. Take this for example;
Let that sink in before you berate me with your unintelligible ranting about mass shootings and AR's. It's not about the automatic rifles. It's about guns in general. The only way to stop the real mass shootings are to ban guns in all totality. However, that will never happen because of the way our country was built.
Well it always helps to read, as I never said that just banning AR's and automatic rifles would completely stop mass shootings. I said that it would lessen the number of casualties in the mass shootings. Obviously America would never choose to completely get rid of their guns, I was never trying to even argue that. I brought up Orlando to illustrate what weapon was used in that incident and the number of people that were killed in that time frame. He would have never killed those many people with just a handgun, and the same thing can be said for Las Vegas.
Your technical rambling on the "who's" and the "why's" are not going to help solve this problem when we should be focusing on the now, and right now they should take the necessary steps on banning heavy guns, because like I said, it will lessen any mass shootings that might occur in the future, because it's only common sense that gun violence will never cease in this country while we have guns. More guns mean more deaths. Period.
Suicide ratings, homocides and home invasions are all gun related, and I am not denying that those are problems, but if we want to get rid of people killing large amounts of people with dangerous weapons then we need to remove weapons that aren't needed for normal usage.
Your problem is that you think I am overlooking the other gun related issues so you want to completely throw mass shootings under the bus and call it a "rain drop in a lake" because you're probably so used to seeing people shoot each other in Chicago so that might be your mentality, but whatever.
I don't even live in Chicago though...?
Regardless, you said this;
What things are supposed to get better? Less people will die in a mass shooting? Cool, we saved a few hundred people over a 5 year period becausde we banned AR's. So? We can do better is the point. Using incidents like Las Vegas and Orlando to push the media's rhetoric blindly also doesn't help.
The media will push their agendas and people who refuse to do their own research will consistently believe them. Don't just sit here and clamor about the need to ban bump fire stocks or AR's just because the media is saying it causes so many deaths in these situations. Sure, they're not wrong in that obvious analysis. However, what about the tens of thousands of deaths caused by firearms through suicide annually? If you care about gun deaths, why go after the literal tiniest portion of it(Mass shootings) when you can tackle the vast majority of them(Suicides).
First off, I find it to be quite sad, yet hilarious that you can even compare those who are willingly choosing to end their own lives, versus those who lost their lives by some maniac. Even if we decided to totally get rid of guns, people would still find other ways of killing themselves like with hanging or taking pills. The suicide problem will ultimately never go away as their are other means of ending your life other than with a gun.
Second, we cannot control how people think, so if people want to shoot themselves in the head then that's their own problem. What? You want me to have the same amount of sympathy and concern for suicide victims like I have with people who get shot up at a concert for no reason? Not gonna happen.
What we can control is allowing people to purchase automatic weapons by banning them so that other maniacs do not attempt to kill so many people in one go round.
I honestly don't even care about your suicide argument as that is not even something we can fix even if we banned guns entirely.
You didn't even do your research when I provided it to you. You are right, people will try to kill themselves, however guns make it a lot easier and make their attempts more successful.
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In 2015, firearms were the most common method of death by suicide, accounting for a little less than half (49.8%) of all suicide deaths. The next most common methods were suffocation (including hangings) at 26.8% and poisoning at 15.4%.
Sounds like a very personal problem and you are allowed to have that opinion. However, I am of the opinion that all life is meaningful and if a suicide can be prevented we should try. We shouldn't spit upon their graves simply because they made a choice and forget about the 20,000 more that will do it again next year and the year after that.
A rain drop in the lake of gun violence. You're trying to figure out a way to stop a needle from getting in the hay stack while we should be figuring out how to clean up the hay stack to begin with.
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I already looked that up and you are just proving my own point with that statistic. While 50% of suicides are used by a gun, another 42% of victims succumbs to other methods such as hangings and poisons. That is almost a whopping 50% minus guns, but yeah sure, lets remove guns and pretend like the suicide problem will just magically disappear when we have over 40% of suicide victims using other methods of ending their life. Suuure.
By your own logic, lets remove any kinds of toxins, drugs or maybe even rope so that people can't hang themselves from a tree.
I am looking at what we can control and prevent. We cannot control if people want to kill themselves or not like with that head singer from Linkin Park, just to bring up an example. He didn't use a gun to end his life, he hanged himself.
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Even taking away guns, it does not really help your argument as 40% of victims will just use other methods like I already said previously.
And like I said, if you care so much about suicide victims then remove all methods for a person to kill themselves.
Okay Naruto.
More guns equals more deaths. This is not rocket science.
People committing suicide will never go away. What don't you get about that?
While you're trying to provide an argument for suicide victims when almost half don't even use a means with a gun...?
Yes, it is.
Do you work in construction? You move goalposts very well. You initial argument was that we need to ban AR's to stop so many people from dying in mass shootings. I provided evidence that suicide by firearm in one year kills 20x the amount of people murdered in mass shootings by AR's.
I also never said removing guns gets rid of the suicide problem. I said it could save up to 20,000 lives from being taken annually. You're just combining the two statistics to make your argument look better but look at the numbers. In 2015 there were 22,018 suicides by firearm. The next largest chunk is suffocation and the deaths by firearm is almost double that number. The number is 11,855. The next largest chunk is poison, and that number is 6,816. That is almost 4x less than deaths by firearms.
Your current argument is that we don't have to care about the deaths by suicide because there are still about 18,000 people that will commit suicide annually. Do you not see how inhumane and ridiculous you sound right now?
There are other ways to prevent suicide.
Refer to the above. This is a ridiculous argument.
Ridiculous.
Not even sure what this is supposed to mean.
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Half don't use guns so ****'em right? Just let them be and don't try to help right?
DietyOfWind
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i would simply say this there seperate issues since the person who usually commits scuicide either has massive mental health issues they developed during their life time or their terminaly ill this is more of a situation caused by mental health more or less verse the mass killings that are being done to get even with the us for something our soldiers do elsewhere its kinda all pointless because there just sending messages but they arent trully hurting the people who hurt them so to speak and i do believe its connected to that stuff because it seems way too well planned for him to not have had help but to say it wont change or fix anything to get more gun control or to remove guns in general isnt true and people should stop acting like its pointless when it trully isnt. After all if it worked in australia it could work anywhere else. lack of guns would mean people would need to find other means entirely when they go for those out of the way means it makes them easy to catch if we take away rifles then they have to manage with a pistol a pistol cannot kill 50 people and injure 500 without being stopped the riffle can.
More people should use common sense personally i dont care for guns period even the founding fathers were on the fence about the amendment when they made it only half could agree on it but they more or less left it so our nation wouldnt become ruled by a tyranical government in their day and age most of this shit in the system wasn't meant to last untill the year 2000s but rather to adapt as time went on and im sure they would be rolling in there graves if they saw this shit going on.
all in all if we did more gun control and regulation with better mental health checks for even applying for guns and in general everything else the majority of this shit wouldnt happen and by that i mean scuicide and mass shootings. in half the states its hard to get a gun in the other half its too goddamn easy equalize that shit. it also would help if people would stop going around every day dumping their shitty day on everyone else just because you have a bad day doesnt mean you get to shit on everyone else who had nothing to do with it.most of the us problems coulda been solved in a 5th to 6th grade classroom with just basic things you learn such as global warming does exist, treat others as you want to be treated, clean up after yourself, if you have nothing nice to say dont say anything at all literally so much shit we learn in school as kids we dont use when it could be easily applied every day.
More people should use common sense personally i dont care for guns period even the founding fathers were on the fence about the amendment when they made it only half could agree on it but they more or less left it so our nation wouldnt become ruled by a tyranical government in their day and age most of this shit in the system wasn't meant to last untill the year 2000s but rather to adapt as time went on and im sure they would be rolling in there graves if they saw this shit going on.
all in all if we did more gun control and regulation with better mental health checks for even applying for guns and in general everything else the majority of this shit wouldnt happen and by that i mean scuicide and mass shootings. in half the states its hard to get a gun in the other half its too goddamn easy equalize that shit. it also would help if people would stop going around every day dumping their shitty day on everyone else just because you have a bad day doesnt mean you get to shit on everyone else who had nothing to do with it.most of the us problems coulda been solved in a 5th to 6th grade classroom with just basic things you learn such as global warming does exist, treat others as you want to be treated, clean up after yourself, if you have nothing nice to say dont say anything at all literally so much shit we learn in school as kids we dont use when it could be easily applied every day.
Only part I will respond to since you just seem to be dumb as **** my guy. If you can find a way to keep people from doing what they want to THEIR OWN BODIES then more power to you bruh. Wishful and ignorant thinking, which is why I made the reference of you thinking just like Naruto. You think you can save everyone and that we should give a shred of concern for people who don't want to even help themselves? Like I said, you have the mentality of a child.
Done with this debate so you can have the win.
You sat here and made the most ridiculous arguments and I'm dumb? You have a very twisted view of suicide for some reason and it's quite sickening. Maybe in a few years you'll understand how much life is worth.
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