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-Feels like refuting-
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Nah. Good shit Varrah.
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How long have u been smashing a dictionary against the front of your head?

That would be a thesaurus.
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I now see why Varrah dislikes posting such technical threads on this forum: you have people who cannot differentiate a dictionary from a thesaurus...
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Yes I agree, I always assumed that the Meteorite Jutsu was from Madara's Susanoo and not from his Rinnegan.
 

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Good job Varrah. I assumed Madara had Susano'o amplify his power to summon that Meteor, but then he summoned another one & I don't think Susano'o helped him. The Gedo mazo statue was on the moon with the Rinnegan he was able to bring it to earth. Madara should be able to use Banbutsu Sōzō he possess the Rinnegan with Uchiha/Senju DNA like Rikudo, I guess we'll just have to wait & see.
 

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Very interesting, however I fear that many of the NB users have been scared off the the elevated diction, complexity, and sheer wall of text. Sad really, great theory however!
 

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First of all, i am pretty sure, it is not creation of all things. We are not sure yet that creation of all things is a rinnegan technique. And even if we assume it to be rinnegan technique , still, meteor was burning as it was coming towards earth which shows that it was pulled out from space and not created on spot as if it was created on spot, it won't have been burning as it wouldn't have experienced any air friction.Hence, bansho tenin fits the situation perfectly.

Also nagato used a but on a smaller scale.
So it is possible madara used his susano to enhance the bansho tenin to the point that it could even attract meteors.
 
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Although you covered this a little, I would rather believe that Madara (without susano'o) created the large rocks in space (not literally outer space, but giving spatial existence), and then pulled it down using shinra tensei (which attracts anything to the user), all using the rinnegans special capabilities. The fact that Madara had to sacrifice himself instead of throwing the giant rock just out of range of him proves his limited control over the art of creating cosmic rocks and manipulating/utilizing them to attack his foes in close proximity.

Edit: Although the Susano'O do form hand signs, I imagine that it is simply an extension of Madara's chakra system manipulation. Unless you can prove that Susano'O also has a chakra system from which to draw on and manipulate with hand seals. Aside from this, there doesn't seem to be conclusive proof or sufficient reasons to believe that Susaso'O is a necessary component to using the art of Shattered Heavens.

Finally, as to why Susano'O was summoned at all during the technique process can be passed off as Kishimoto just wanting to add a greater effect to the technique, not necessarily a needed component for said technique.
 
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OP, but it's called Tengai not Tenrai.
 

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Although you covered this a little, I would rather believe that Madara (without susano'o) created the large rocks in space (not literally outer space, but giving spatial existence), and then pulled it down using shinra tensei (which attracts anything to the user), all using the rinnegans special capabilities. The fact that Madara had to sacrifice himself instead of throwing the giant rock just out of range of him proves his limited control over the art of creating cosmic rocks and manipulating/utilizing them to attack his foes in close proximity.

Edit: Although the Susano'O do form hand signs, I imagine that it is simply an extension of Madara's chakra system manipulation. Unless you can prove that Susano'O also has a chakra system from which to draw on and manipulate with hand seals. Aside from this, there doesn't seem to be conclusive proof or sufficient reasons to believe that Susaso'O is a necessary component to using the art of Shattered Heavens.

Finally, as to why Susano'O was summoned at all during the technique process can be passed off as Kishimoto just wanting to add a greater effect to the technique, not necessarily a needed component for said technique.

Case and point.
 
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Case and point.

However, your emphasis on Madara's mastery over Susano'O is quite different than my emphasis that Madara simply used Susano'O to perform hand seals for aesthetic reasons or simply amplifying the attack not because Susano'O has special properties of some sort that helped Madara make the attack. In other words, my view of Susano'O performing hand seals is similar to how KM Naruto makes more than one rasengan using "chakra hands" as it were. A simple extension that only serves to help the user amplify as attack, but not a necessary component for the attack itself.

Edit: My conclusion is that with or without Susano'O or Rinnegan, Madara could perform the technique simply because he has the prerequisites for the Sage of Six Paths art of Creation of All Things.
 
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However, your emphasis on Madara's mastery over Susano'O is quite different than my emphasis that Madara simply used Susano'O to perform hand seals for aesthetic reasons or simply amplifying the attack not because Susano'O has special properties of some sort that helped Madara make the attack. In other words, my view of Susano'O performing hand seals is similar to how KM Naruto makes more than one rasengan using "chakra hands" as it were. A simple extension that only serves to help the user amplify as attack, but not a necessary component for the attack itself.

Edit: My conclusion is that with or without Susano'O or Rinnegan, Madara could perform the technique simply because he has the prerequisites for the Sage of Six Paths art of Creation of All Things.


Thus, Madara's Susano'o not being present to facilitate the meteorites "assures" their mobilization, sure why not.
 

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Your choice of font diminishes the praise you would have recieved.
 

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I think it's a Rinnegan power, that can only be used by those who possess Uchiha and Senju power. Kabuto called it the sages power.
 
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Okay, so if i'm understanding correctly, what you really meant was that even though Madara created the large rocks, he nevertheless NEEDED to use the twin Susano'O to manipulate the trajectory of the large rocks that were created?

If so, then I am inclined to agree. Originally I thought you meant that the Susano'O was the medium through which the large celestial rocks were created simply because the Susano'O weaved signs.
 
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