[Discussion] Ten Tails vs Espada and Fracciones

[BlackFlame44]

Actually it wasn't. She required Haachin's help to make it succeed, and even then he didn't die.

Hachigen only boxed him in and Soi fon's bankai means nothing to a TBB

KCM Naruto's speed is faster than BM Naruto's. So the blitz argument doesn't help.

We're gonna ignore Naruto making nukes fly away by just running and reacting to Madara and Obito from all the way across the battlefield

Sonido and Flash Step are basically near instantaneous movements. It's far faster than the Body flickers in Naruto.

Depends on who we're talking about

Furthermore, sure it takes time to erase Kido... But the Juubi doesn't use Kido. Chakra =/= Kido.

Kido would be more akin to ninjutsu if the law of equivalence is applied


[quoteBarragan has no trouble touching the Juubi.

Add in Staark who basically fires TBB'S like gatling gun,

You're saying a cero is TBB level? Show me a cero bust a mountain

Ulquiorra's spammable massive lances that were basically V.2 level TBB's if not greater, and the other Espada its pretty one sided.

It did nothing in las noches while the ten tails broke an entire chain of mountains with his TBB

 

[Rainbow Dash]

There is absolutely no way the Bleachverse can survive.

The Juubi has more DC than every single one of them combined.

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The Juubi can tank every attack Bleach has.

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Attack speed that can cross multiple continent ranges in only few seconds.

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Prime Juubi is hinted to be Planet level much like Saiyan Saga characters.

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Bleachverse gets annihilated fast. If you add One Piece, the Juubi still wins.

BlackFlame, go back to the cancerdome. These guys don't know how shitty Bleach's current stats are.

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

Hachigen only boxed him in and Soi fon's bankai means nothing to a TBB

Key words: boxed in. The Juubi doesn't have anything like that. Meaning Barragan and the other Espada can simply move away from the blast. Hell Gyuki TANKED one to the face when he fired in its mouth.

We're gonna ignore Naruto making nukes fly away by just running and reacting to Madara and Obito from all the way across the battlefield

Just because I said KCM has moved faster doesn't mean BM doesn't move fast. Besides, those feats aren't at the speed of Naruto dodging the Raikage. Naruto's size just happens to cover more ground.

Depends on who we're talking about

I don't recall a single Naruto character fast enough to make clones out of their speed. The speed of Flash step is greater. Just look at Staark vs Shunsui or even him getting Orihime and then going right back to Aizen.

Kido would be more akin to ninjutsu if the law of equivalence is applied

So you have to restrict them to having chakra. I don't use this notion as it only handicaps one side to be comparable to the other.

You're saying a cero is TBB level? Show me a cero bust a mountain

Considering the only fire the things in the air avoiding the ground there isn't a scan. However, the Espada weren't allowed to use the grand ray cero in Las Noches (which is ridiculously huge for a palace) as it would destroy most of it.

Ignoring that... I said gatling gun. Meaning in a mere few seconds he fires of thousands of Ceros. Even if the quality isn't entirely busting a mountain, the combined assault to 1,000 is doing that job just fine. Add on Staark's speed > the Juubi's ability to even act on it, and it doesn't matter how big the Juubi's attack is... Staark can literally shove it down its throat.

It did nothing in las noches while the ten tails broke an entire chain of mountains with his TBB

Considering he never fired it in Las Noches, that makes sense. But consider this... He tossed it leagues away and the explosion trumped Los Noches in size. The city large enought to appear as though it's a normal sky when underneath: mountain sized much?


Staark or Barragan have no trouble dodging its attacks. They have no problem hurting the Juubi. They can basically fly. So what if it nukes itself. They just jump on its back and use it as a personal meat shield.


Hell Barragan can just sonido inside it and just use Respira from the inside out... Can't just jettison its entire existence.




Espada > Juubi



Do some members not contribute as much? Definitely: Espada 10-5 honestly don't do a whole lot in terms of massive scsle damage... But they still have the speed go trump avoid its attacks.


Oh wait, that's right... the 7th espada controls anything his eye contacts... Can entirely control if headshot: head shots Juubi. Has it suicide.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Please stop trolling, Shunpo and Sonido are not faster than the Juubi. Bleach is currently the slowest verse in the big 3. Non of Bleach's speed feats come close the Juubi's attack speed and reaction feats. They are also the verse with the least destructive capabilities in the big 3. 1000 Starks are not going to remotely damage the beast that can tank dozens of exatons of energy bombs, nor can they dodge an attack that outputs several dozen exaton of kinetic energy, nor can they dodge the attack that can cross multiple continent ranges in only a few seconds.

Saying that the Espada defeats a country busting Juubi is like saying the Espada can beat a country busting Yusuke Urameshi, it's complete nonsense.

Bleach is currently the weakest of the big 3. The Juubi being able to casually output continent level energy and tank his own continent level attacks without a scratch. One Piece top tiers being able to split continents in half. Bleach falls greatly in speed and DC. They have absolutely NO speed feats that compares to the Juubi's sub-relativistic Bijuudama speed. The most impressive Bleach feat as of date is Ichigo vaporizing a sea, which doesn't even come close to the continent level(possibly planet level) Juubi. By hyperbole, Yamamoto can destroy something the size of Germany if he suicides. Even then, that's not impressive to what the Juubi can do.

 

[P3ĮÑ]

Juubi shitstomps, if soifon could nullify his time aging abilities with a town level attack, Juubi obviously can.

 

[P3ĮÑ]

Please stop trolling, Shunpo and Sonido are not faster than the Juubi. Bleach is currently the slowest verse in the big 3. Non of Bleach's speed feats come close the Juubi's attack speed and reaction feats. They are also the verse with the least destructive capabilities in the big 3. 1000 Starks are not going to remotely damage the beast that can tank dozens of exatons of energy bombs, nor can they dodge an attack that outputs several dozen exaton of kinetic energy, nor can they dodge the attack that can cross multiple continent ranges in only a few seconds.

Saying that the Espada defeats a country busting Juubi is like saying the Espada can beat a country busting Yusuke Urameshi, it's complete nonsense.

Bleach is currently the weakest of the big 3. The Juubi being able to casually output continent level energy and tank his own continent level attacks without a scratch. One Piece top tiers being able to split continents in half. Bleach falls greatly in speed and DC. They have absolutely NO speed feats that compares to the Juubi's sub-relativistic Bijuudama speed. The most impressive Bleach feat as of date is Ichigo vaporizing a sea, which doesn't even come close to the continent level(possibly planet level) Juubi. By hyperbole, Yamamoto can destroy something the size of Germany if he suicides. Even then, that's not impressive to what the Juubi can do.

Ur gonna get flamed like a douchebag, well anyways this is actually right., except the last paragraph, it has some faults.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Ur gonna get flamed like a douchebag, well anyways this is actually right., except the last paragraph, it has some faults.

Proof me that my last paragraph has faults.

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[P3ĮÑ]

Proof me that my last paragraph has faults.

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Yammamoto has been upgraded, his Bankai via feats for low end is 2.2 terratons, and 200 terratons via his claim that if his Bankai goes all out can destroy whole soul society. Which puts him on small country level.

 

[juzumaki]

watch episode 275 if you want to see barragan

 

[7th Biggest OP Fan]

Got questions. Can Barragan age water? How about light? or other forms of energy? If so then how come he couldn't age the blast of Soi fon's Bankai? Was it because
A) it was too fast
B) it was a form of energy he couldn't age.
or
C) maybe a bit of both.

Now with that said, how is Barragan aging a TBB that is made of energy.

I'm pretty sure that a TBB that can destroy headquarters and shoot it a distance that is greater than a country is pretty damn fast. Not to mention having the aoe damage that is mountain ranges in length. I don't see any Bleach character being able to dodge what Zaru posted.

Then the argument becomes well Bleach characters are faster so the Juubi wouldn't be able to do that before the Espada beat him.

That claim I see all the time but is NEVER backed up. I have yet to see anyone on the Bleach side post proof of this claim.

They must actually prove two things.
1. They must be faster
2. the attack must be able to hurt the Juubi.

Zaru has again shown what speed Juubi can do, and how durable it is, so burden of proof is on the people claiming Bleach wins.

Btw, I have read Bleach 3 times and watched the manga at least twice and will tell you there is no speed feat faster then the Juubi, and no attack the Espada can do that would hurt the Juubi.

Of course the ONLY thing they can come up with is lol haxs aging, but it is useless if they can't dodge a TBB

 

[Hakushi Hayate]

There's no way any of the espada can even kill the ten tails. Let alone hurt it, did you know just by it waving its tail can cause enviromentle damage, and that its shock wave is just as powerful. The espada attacks are to weak to harm the juubi.

 

[BlackFlame44]

Key words: boxed in. The Juubi doesn't have anything like that. Meaning Barragan and the other Espada can simply move away from the blast. Hell Gyuki TANKED one to the face when he fired in its mouth.

He doesn't need to box him in e can't tank the blast either way

Just because I said KCM has moved faster doesn't mean BM doesn't move fast. Besides, those feats aren't at the speed of Naruto dodging the Raikage. Naruto's size just happens to cover more ground

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Baseless... Naruto didn't even have the kurama chakra when he ran past the TBB

I don't recall a single Naruto character fast enough to make clones out of their speed. The speed of Flash step is greater. Just look at Staark vs Shunsui or even him getting Orihime and then going right back to Aizen

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Haku could did that with crystal ice mirrors

So you have to restrict them to having chakra. I don't use this notion as it only handicaps one side to be comparable to the other.

No I equalized spirit energy and chakra

Considering the only fire the things in the air avoiding the ground there isn't a scan. However, the Espada weren't allowed to use the grand ray cero in Las Noches (which is ridiculously huge for a palace) as it would destroy most of it.

Mountain buster > town level

Ignoring that... I said gatling gun. Meaning in a mere few seconds he fires of thousands of Ceros. Even if the quality isn't entirely busting a mountain, the combined assault to 1,000 is doing that job just fine. Add on Staark's speed > the Juubi's ability to even act on it, and it doesn't matter how big the Juubi's attack is... Staark can literally shove it down its throat.

If the cero metrelleta can't bust a mountain and the ten tails tanked a blast that destroys an entire range

How is it gonna get the job done?

Considering he never fired it in Las Noches, that makes sense. But consider this... He tossed it leagues away and the explosion trumped Los Noches in size. The city large enought to appear as though it's a normal sky when underneath: mountain sized much?

Nah or else we could consider Deidara a mountain buster for C0

Staark or Barragan have no trouble dodging its attacks. They have no problem hurting the Juubi. They can basically fly. So what if it nukes itself. They just jump on its back and use it as a personal meat shield.

The ten tails tanked : 8 tails' TBB, it's own TBB, the assault from the alliance(charged with kurama's chakra) and she'd off a rasenshuriken powered Amaterasu

Good luck on the espada's part

Hell Barragan can just sonido inside it and just use Respira from the inside out... Can't just jettison its entire existence.

Not before he gets blown to smithereens

Espada > Juubi

Ten tails >>>>>>>>> Espada

Do some members not contribute as much? Definitely: Espada 10-5 honestly don't do a whole lot in terms of massive scsle damage... But they still have the speed go trump avoid its attacks.

Do tell me how they avoid attacks that span multiple mountain ranges

Oh wait, that's right... the 7th espada controls anything his eye contacts... Can entirely control if headshot: head shots Juubi. Has it suicide.

He hasn't shown being able to do that to someone as strong as the ten tails not to mention how huge it is