Temari speed analysis (ground breaking exploit inside!)

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This thread is going to deal with many different types of speed including movement, reactions and jutsu execution.

Reaction Speed​

Chuunin Exams​

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Lee was at a

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but in spite of all this, Temari managed to

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. If Temari is in an actual fight and the starting distance is greater, she'd have a much easier time reacting which goes to show that during the Chuunin exams, people of weighted Lee's level of speed can be easily reacted to and won't be able to close the distance especially when Temari can retreat while fending them off with her long ranged attacks.

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Temari's previous attack created a cloud of smoke and from that

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. When

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from the nearby

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, Temari ended up reacting to the emerging shadow and

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. This goes to show that Temari can react to attacks pretty easily even if they are around 2m in front of her. Her back paddling against Shikamaru's shadows proves that her backward movement is on par with Shikamaru's shadows so her forward movement should be much faster.

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, Temari ended up creating another smoke cloud which Shikamaru used to great advantage by

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. Simultaneously, he fired off another kunai behind from her blind spot thus attacking her from

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while her reactions were hindered by the cloud of smoke. In spite of all this, Temari motioned herself to evade the kunai coming from her back. Right after she does that,

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. To top it all off,

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, Shikamaru attacks her with his shadow which

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. Temari

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due to dealing with Shikamaru's two pronged kunai attack just previously. Despite being so close to his shadow and being in a poor non upright state, she

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. All of this proves not just Temari's reaction but her ability to multitask and

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.

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Towards the end of the fight (

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), Kankuro ends up warning that there was a parachute above her. This diverted her attention towards the parachute and away from its shadow. By the time she looks back at the shadow, it is now just a few inches away from her feet yet she still manages to backpaddle away.

How fast are Shikamaru's shadows?
Shikamaru's shadows aren't too fast but these feats were from a relatively close range so reacting to attacks much faster does become possible at longer distances. Nevertheless, in Shippuden, Shikamaru's shadows have shown to be fast enough to capture Hidan before he could stab himself (

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)(

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)(

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). Now part one Shikamaru's shadows are obviously slower but part one Temari is also slower than her part two self so it stands to reason Temari can still replicate her speed feats in Shippuden against a Shippuden Shikamaru especially when she's shown a greater growth rate and is less lazy than him. So this goes to show that Shippuden Temari can move backwards faster than Hidan can move his scythe.

Sasuke Retrieval Arc​

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Tayuya

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sending sound waves towards her location but

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before the sound waves even reach her. Tayuya was only around

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.

War Arc​

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Temari ends up spectating the fight between the 3rd Raikage and Naruto (

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). Within that fight, Temari is able to see clearly what is happening and can also mentally think about Naruto's strategy.

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While the 3rd Raikage is

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, Temari manages to give orders to collect the wounded and to stay away from the 3rd Raikage. Just a little while later, she sees the 3rd Raikage get to Naruto's location but ends up warning him before the 3rd Raikage could get to his location.

All in all, Temari's reaction feats in Shippuden are on a much higher level than in part one considering she couldn't visually keep up with base Lee when he took off his weights but is able to do so when spectating Naruto and the 3rd Raikage who are much much faster.

Striking/Jutsu execution speed​

Sasuke Retrieval Arc​

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but as she swings her fan, her whole body posture is shifted completely before the sound waves could travel any further.

Kage Summit Arc​

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just as fast as Kankuro manipulates his puppets via mere finger movements and as fast as Gaara forming sand bullets which only takes a mental reaction on his part. This should go to show that Temari is faster than her two siblings.

War Arc​

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yet her WCN has almost already reached the 3rd Raikage who gets caught at the centre of the attack which goes to show that the attack was too fast for him to even move close to the sides. Considering Temari completes her fan swing in this span of time, it shows that if she was standing right in front of the 3rd Raikage, that fan swing would have hit him. Sure 3rd Raikage would simply block and grab her fan or punch her but my point is that someone with above average speed can't simply run circles around her even when in close quarters where she is weak. Just bare in mind that the 3rd Raikage wasn't wearing raiton armour so don't think this feat is THAT impressive.

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When the

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, the

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. These panels happened one after the other and the attacks stacked up and hit the Juubi around the same time. This goes to show that the execution of each of these three different attacks is similar in speed. Much faster than ordinary hand seal based ninjutsu (

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). Temari's striking speed is obviously slower than Mifune's but using an elemental jutsu requires you to make all the hand seals, then inhale and then exhale out. If Mifune can stop a jutsu from being used when the hand seals haven't even been finished, it stands to reason that Temari can still finish off her enemy before an elemental user can completely exhale out the jutsu. When the banana fan was used against Darui's squad (

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), he ended up not using suiton to extinguish the fire probably because he wouldn't have made it in time.

Movement speed​

It was already proven that Temari is faster than Shikamaru's shadows.

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Here is a nice long distance speed feat. Temari arrives on the battlefield

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. Right after the alliance arrives, the Juubi attacks them but at this point,

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whereas her previous position was near the front. There isn't much panel time between Temari arriving and the Juubi attacking (

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Anyway there is a way that Temari can increase her speed quite dramatically. In the anime fight between Tenten and Temari, it was shown that by using her fan to propel herself, she can escape Tenten's LoS who is faster than her on foot (

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). Obviously anime isn't canon but if I can prove to you that this is possible with manga scans, this should be of no issue.

Temari can propel herself into the air and glide on her fan (

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). The only problem is that we can't quantify this like it was shown in the anime so we'll have to measure just how powerful Temari's fuuton are. Her ordinary kamaitachi no jutsu was so powerful that it

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against the force of gravity forcing her to grab onto a tree with her superhuman strength and barely managed to keep herself from flying away. This goes to show Temari's fuuton has a great deal of momentum especially when we take into account that

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thus making her weightless much like Muu/Onoki's jutsu giving forth a nice speed boost. The fuuton will also propel her parallel to the ground enhancing the effect of Temari's own movement. This could allow Temari to attain high speed movement on the ground or in the air.

My guess is that she'll be even faster than Onoki's flight speed based on how it works as shown below in the bold. If making poses can make you fly fast, shooting fuuton with real momentum should make you go faster than that.

Earth Release: Light-Weight Rock Technique (土遁・軽重岩の術, Doton: Keijūgan no Jutsu)

Heading: To dance in the sky released from gravity's constraints!

Classification: Ninjutsu
Rank: B-Rank
Class: Offensive, Supplementary
Range: Short-Range
User(s): Ōnoki

The technique reduces the target's gravity. It's natural application is to enhance, naturally it's used to make the weight of the things one carries lighten, ones personal weight can also be reduced, making ones movements fast and agile. The atmosphere as well as the human body is made light, in-order to soar through the sky. On occasion, It is popular for a person to control the jutsu's flight in the sky with specific stances (heavy paraphrased, but you get it, many users control their flight with their stance), with practice one can freely fly about in the sky.

→ Touching the target in an instant their gravity is taken away. The technique user regulates how much (gravity) is snatched away.

↓ The sensation of soaring through the sky is extraordinarily pleasant. . . can't make out the rest due to unknown Katakana word.

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All in all, the ability of Temari to temporarily lighten herself could allow her to shunshin much faster than her ordinary speed and even fly allowing her to evade certain wide scale attacks. Characters will have a much harder time in tagging Temari than previously thought!

 

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Great read <3

 

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Good analysis, but the part with her being able to counteract gravity with Fuuton seems a bit of a stretch. It's one thing to glide, actual controlled flight and getting off the ground are completely different. I don't remember Fuuton being used to control gravity, it's just wind. I can imagine her swinging her fan to create air currents, then jumping up, getting on her fan and gliding, but not "shooting" Fuuton diagonally.

...But then again, Onoki's ability to control gravity only lets him control his flight because fiction.

 

[Shitenshin no jutsu]

When's Sakura's speed thread...?

 

[Lariatoo]

When's Sakura's speed thread...?

You can ask Femme about it XD XD

 

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When's Sakura's speed thread...?

You can ask Femme about it XD XD

 

[Shitenshin no jutsu]

You can ask Femme about it XD XD

Aw hell no!

 

[Waltz]

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Lee was at a fairly close distance from Temari and Temari was surprised by Lee's attack but in spite of all this, Temari managed to block Lee's attack. If Temari is in an actual fight and the starting distance is greater, she'd have a much easier time reacting which goes to show that during the Chuunin exams, people of weighted Lee's level of speed can be easily reacted to and won't be able to close the distance especially when Temari can retreat while fending them off with her long ranged attacks.

Temari was able to react to Lee's kick because he first elevated into the air (which she noticed) and simultaneously positioned his body at an angle that would allow her to accurately prepare for the impact. She later on stated that he had the speed but the force behind it was shabby [

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]. It however doesn't necessarily meant that she would be able to react to the same speed without having a window for preparation. ​

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Temari's previous attack created a cloud of smoke and from that cloud of smoke, Shikamaru's shadow appeared. When Temari actually noticed the shadow emerge from the nearby smoke cloud, Temari ended up reacting to the emerging shadow and out speed it while moving backwards. This goes to show that Temari can react to attacks pretty easily even if they are around 2m in front of her. Her back paddling against Shikamaru's shadows proves that her backward movement is faster than Shikamaru's shadows so her forward movement should be much faster.

Her backward padding wasn't faster than the Shadow as by the time she completed her third leap the shadow was closer to her than it was when she began so once more, not discrediting her actions, this was only due to her having an initial advantage where distance from the Shadow is concerned; also, the SFX indicates the cloud of smoke was already receding and had already receded beyond the walls shadow before the Shikamaru's Shadow took presence----by the time his Shadow reached her initial standing point the cloud had already receded even further.

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Afterwards, Temari ended up creating another smoke cloud which Shikamaru used to great advantage by firing off a hidden kunai. Simultaneously, he fired off another kunai behind from her blind spot thus attacking her from two different directions while her reactions were hindered by the cloud of smoke. Temari motioned herself to evade the kunai coming from her back. Right after she does that, she also opens up her fan to block the frontal kunai while simultaneously using her free hand to stop the kunai coming from behind her. To top it all off, right after all this, Shikamaru attacks her with his shadow which approaches the line she drew. Temari assumes that the shadow won't go past the line but her assumption turned out to be incorrect putting her extremely close to his shadow while in a restricted crouched state due to dealing with Shikamaru's two pronged kunai attack just previously. Despite being so close to his shadow and being in a poor non upright state, she still managed to effortlessly evade Shikamaru's shadow. All of this proves not just Temari's reaction but her ability to multitask and agility.

@ Bold: The cloud of smoke had no contact with Temari and was actually some distance away; enough for her to see a Kunai passing completely through it. It wasn't hindering her reactions in any way.

@ Underlined: When Temari performed her second Jutsu, Shikamaru moved westward behind a tree [

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]. Temari moved westward of the drawn line to compensate for Shikamaru's movement and then performed a third jutsu while facing Shikamaru who was hiding behind a tree [

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] when the cloud of smoke (directed towards Shikamaru, not behind Temari) cleared, he was standing next to the very same tree [

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]. It's impossible for him to have gone behind Temari to throw a second Kunai at the blind spot simply because that was not the chain of events.

-> Temari perform her Jutsu

-> Shikamaru move's back eastward and throws a kunai

-> Temari lounges eastward into the Kunai

-> Temari opens her fan to guard against it while slowing her body leaving her back to her original position directly in front of the drawn line.

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@ The rest: Jumping requires some form of crouching so her being in that position was actually advantageous;especially since one of her knees were more elevated than the other as it would have removed the mandatory notion of her crouching slightly to perform the jump.Naturally, the deeper the crouch the stronger the jump.

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Towards the end of the fight (1)(2), Kankuro ends up warning that there was a parachute above her. This diverted her attention towards the parachute and away from its shadow. By the time she looks back at the shadow, it is now just a few inches away from her feet yet she still manages to backpaddle away.

She was once more in an advantageous crouching position with one knee elevated higher than the other. You would realized this is her choice pattern as a contingency when being in such close proximity of the shadow simply because she can jump to evade it in a much more timely fashion than if she was standing upright. ​

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Tayuya begins playing her flute sending sound waves towards her location but Temari ends up physically reacting before the sound waves even reach her. Tayuya was only around 10 m away from Temari.

Her Genjutsu's effect doesn't occur instantaneously; when she initially began utilizing the flute, Shikamaru despite hearing it's sound was still able to maneuver his body to the extent that he was able to throw a Kunai before the Jutsu took full effect [

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] so what you term 'Temari reacted to Sound' was actually Temari deflecting the sound before the Genjtusu took full effect; Shikamaru who also heard it testifies to this:

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Temari is the closest in her division to the 3rd Raikage and having a conversation with him. 3rd Raikage tells everyone to retreat as he is about to go on the offensive, but nevertheless, Temari asks another question but 3rd Raikage tells her that his body is moving on its own. Despite this, she never got blitzed and managed to retreat off panel. Yes, the other no named jounins also retreated but they had more time to do so, as unlike Temari, they didn't stick around after 3rd Raikage's first warning. All in all, Temari retreated despite 3rd Raikage's body already moving as evidenced by the present tense warning by the 3rd Raikage whereas the first warning was in the future tense.

No this isn't a speed feat because you have no proof that the Sandaime blitzed Temari after issuing that statement. The next time he is seen; the sandaime has unmounted the giant clam, isn't wearing a Raiton cloak and is facing Temari and her group. [

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Temari ends up spectating the fight between the 3rd Raikage and Naruto (1)(2)(3). Within that fight, Temari is able to see clearly what is happening and can also mentally think about Naruto's strategy.

As did those around her. Explain something to me, Icelerate; being a spectator denotes reaction speed...how? ​

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While the 3rd Raikage is taking out dozens of people instantly, Temari manages to give orders to collect the wounded and to stay away from the 3rd Raikage. Just a little while later, she sees the 3rd Raikage get to Naruto's location but ends up warning him before the 3rd Raikage could get to his location.

Completely evading while he is in combat and tended to the wounded does not denote reaction speed nor does warning Naruto as the sound-waves of her voice travel at the speed of sound which is much faster than the Sandaime.​

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Temari alongside the other fuuton users of the shinobi alliance manage to counter a shock wave created by the momentum of the Juubi's own tail whip. They were stationed behind all the other shinobi so this is a great reaction feat considering they'd have to make sure the fuuton reaches well in front of the alliance to intercept the shockwave before the shock wave impacts the shinobi alliance. To do this, they'd have to cast their jutsu right after the Juubi swings its tail or else the shock wave would reach the alliance way before their own jutsu could intercept the shock wave before it hits the alliance, let alone cast the jutsu.

They were clearly visible from Naruto's standing point which says that they were actually very near to the front of the alliance. Since the area wasn't windy, they would have seen when the Jubi motioned it's tail and the fact that they were positioned near the forefront of the alliance then intercepting an incoming Shockwave by waving their fans to produce sturdy gusts of wind does not necessarily highlight any notable reaction speed. ​

All in all, Temari's reaction feats in Shippuden are on a much higher level than in part one.

Well..your correlations failed to convince me of this in anyway. ​

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The sound waves are right in front of Temari but as she swings her fan, her whole body posture is shifted completely before the sound waves could travel any further.

I've already addressed this in a previous post segment; also those aren't sound waves they are the spirits of demons. Without them making physical contact with either Itachi or Sasuke; they were still caught in the Genjutsu. ​

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Temari swings her fan just as fast as Kankuro manipulates his puppets via mere finger movements and as fast as Gaara forming sand bullets which only takes a mental reaction on his part. This should go to show that Temari is faster than her two siblings.

@ Bold: You meant to say: "At the same time with" [

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]. Response to stimuli always require's mental function so the underlined is false. ​

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Temari has almost fully completed the swing of her fan yet her WCN has almost already reached the 3rd Raikage who gets caught at the centre of the attack which goes to show that the attack was too fast for him to even move close to the sides. Considering Temari completes her fan swing in this span of time, it shows that if she was standing right in front of the 3rd Raikage, that fan swing would have hit him. Sure 3rd Raikage would simply block and grab her fan or punch her but my point is that someone with above average speed can't simply run circles around her even when in close quarters where she is weak. Just bare in mind that the 3rd Raikage wasn't wearing raiton armour so don't think this feat is THAT impressive.

The Jutsu of itself being rapid does not equate to Temari having great reaction speed just as firing a bullet from a gun does not mean your finger can move as fast as that bullet. @ underlined: The impression is actually nonexistent. ​

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When the Juubi uses its arms to attack the alliance, the samurais are the first ones to swing their sword, followed by the Hyuugas using vacuum palm followed by the fuuton users swinging their fan. These panels happened one after the other and the attacks stacked up and hit the Juubi around the same time. This goes to show that the execution of each of these three different attacks is similar in speed. Much faster than ordinary hand seal based ninjutsu (x). Temari's striking speed is obviously slower than Mifune's but using an elemental jutsu requires you to make all the hand seals, then inhale and then exhale out. If Mifune can stop a jutsu from being used when the hand seals haven't even been finished, it stands to reason that Temari can still finish off her enemy before an elemental user can completely exhale out the jutsu. When the banana fan was used against Darui's squad (1)(2), he ended up not using suiton to extinguish the fire probably because he wouldn't have made it in time.

It was a coordinated attack and yes, it's easier to rapidly swig a fan than to perform handseals. There were also other fodders swinging their fans along side Temari. None of this shows great reaction speed. ​

It was already proven that Temari can outspeed Shikamaru's shadows while moving backwards, let alone forward.

I addressed the falseness of this in an earlier post-segment.​

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Here is a nice long distance speed feat. Temari arrives on the battlefield alongside Shikamaru and Chouji. Right after the alliance arrives, the Juubi attacks them but at this point, Temari is now at the very back of the alliance whereas her previous position was near the front. There isn't much panel time between Temari arriving and the Juubi attacking (1)(2)

She went to be with her squad off panel and this, for you, qualifies as a movement speed feat? ​

In the anime fight between Tenten and Temari, it was shown that by using her fan to propel herself, she can escape Tenten's LoS who is faster than her on foot (6:48). Obviously anime isn't canon but if I can prove to you that this is possible with manga scans, this should be no issue.

Now we have anime. In the anime a 2-3 Tomoe Sasuke during his first battle with Naruto at VoTE claimed to be able to decipher between Naruto's Kage-bunshin; which never took place in the Manga. ​

Temari can propel herself into the air and glide on her fan (1)(2). The only problem is that we can't quantify this like it was shown in the anime so we'll have to measure just how powerful Temari's fuuton are. Her ordinary kamaitachi no jutsu was so powerful that it launched Tayuya upwards against the force of gravity forcing her to grab onto a tree with her superhuman strength and barely managed to keep herself from flying away. This goes to show Temari's fuuton has a great deal of momentum especially when we take into account that current Temari's stronger kamaitachi variants are far stronger.

She doesn't use Fuuton Jutsu while atop the fan, she simply glides on it. Obviously because she needs to wield and swing the fan in order to produce the jutsu. ​

By shooting fuuton diagonally towards the ground, Temari will feel an upward force which will cancel out the effect of gravity thus making her weightless much like Muu/Onoki's jutsu giving forth a nice speed boost

All in all, the ability of Temari to temporarily lighten herself could allow her to shunshin much faster than her ordinary speed and even fly allowing her to evade certain wide scale attacks. Characters will have a much harder time in tagging Temari than previously thought!

Arguably the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on these forums. The fan does not affect her weight. As long as she has mass, the force of gravity will act upon it thus producing a weight which will drag her back to the ground.​

 

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Good analysis, but the part with her being able to counteract gravity with Fuuton seems a bit of a stretch. It's one thing to glide, actual controlled flight and getting off the ground are completely different. I don't remember Fuuton being used to control gravity, it's just wind. I can imagine her swinging her fan to create air currents, then jumping up, getting on her fan and gliding, but not "shooting" Fuuton diagonally.

...But then again, Onoki's ability to control gravity only lets him control his flight because fiction.

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what I mean when I say nullifying the effect of gravity. So part of the fuuton will be used as an additional force in one direction while the upward force of the fuuton cancels out the force of gravity. However, I forgot to take into account that Temari's mass is unchanged unlike the lightened weight technique so her ability to accelerate is going to be mediocre in comparison to Onoki. Still in part one, her weakest jutsu would have sent Tayuya flying against the force of gravity so she could still propel herself into the air at decent speeds.

Temari was able to react to Lee's kick because he first elevated into the air (which she noticed) and simultaneously positioned his body at an angle that would allow her to accurately prepare for the impact. She later on stated that he had the speed but the force behind it was shabby [

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]. It however doesn't necessarily meant that she would be able to react to the same speed without having a window for preparation. ​

Why would Lee position his body at an angle to allow Temari to accurately prepare for the impact? Nor is there any proof from your part that Lee allowed her to prepare for the impact when Temari had no idea that Lee was going to attack hence her surprise reaction to his blitz. Temari saying Lee had speed actually proves my point and she had a small window of preparation considering she was surprised at Lee's sudden movement and the small starting distance between them.

Her backward padding wasn't faster than the Shadow as by the time she completed her third leap the shadow was closer to her than it was when she began so once more, not discrediting her actions, this was only due to her having an initial advantage where distance from the Shadow is concerned; also, the SFX indicates the cloud of smoke was already receding and had already receded beyond the walls shadow before the Shikamaru's Shadow took presence----by the time his Shadow reached her initial standing point the cloud had already receded even further.

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Wrong, before Temari started moving,

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. After her third leap, it is evidently smaller when comparing Temari's height with the distance of the shadow. The smoke receding doesn't change the fact that Temari noticed the shadow after it emerged from the smoke and it doesn't change the fact that Temari didn't notice the shadow's approach when it was near Shikamaru.

@ Bold: The cloud of smoke had no contact with Temari and was actually some distance away; enough for her to see a Kunai passing completely through it. It wasn't hindering her reactions in any way.

@ Underlined: When Temari performed her second Jutsu, Shikamaru moved westward behind a tree [

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]. Temari moved westward of the drawn line to compensate for Shikamaru's movement and then performed a third jutsu while facing Shikamaru who was hiding behind a tree [

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] when the cloud of smoke (directed towards Shikamaru, not behind Temari) cleared, he was standing next to the very same tree [

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]. It's impossible for him to have gone behind Temari to throw a second Kunai at the blind spot simply because that was not the chain of events.

-> Temari perform her Jutsu

-> Shikamaru move's back eastward and throws a kunai

-> Temari lounges eastward into the Kunai

-> Temari opens her fan to guard against it while slowing her body leaving her back to her original position directly in front of the drawn line.

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@ The rest: Jumping requires some form of crouching so her being in that position was actually advantageous;especially since one of her knees were more elevated than the other as it would have removed the mandatory notion of her crouching slightly to perform the jump.Naturally, the deeper the crouch the stronger the jump.

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The smoke cloud not having contact with Temari doesn't change the fact that it hid Shikamaru's actions allowing him to conceal the kunai inside the smoke cloud.

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, not when it was first thrown so she had a smaller window of opportunity to react.

The rest of your analysis is flawed because it ignores the

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despite coming from out of her LoS and the fact she was also countering the kunai coming from in front of her.

Okay I'll agree that being crouched doesn't have much of a disadvantage but she was crouched to a greater degree than someone standing upright would do.

She was once more in an advantageous crouching position with one knee elevated higher than the other. You would realized this is her choice pattern as a contingency when being in such close proximity of the shadow simply because she can jump to evade it in a much more timely fashion than if she was standing upright. ​

Jumping only requires one to bend their knees slightly, not all the way. Jumping requires you to bend both knees, not

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. Not to mention she was in that position from the previous dodge she made. Regardless this is all irrelevant when I'm talking about reacting.

Her Genjutsu's effect doesn't occur instantaneously; when she initially began utilizing the flute, Shikamaru despite hearing it's sound was still able to maneuver his body to the extent that he was able to throw a Kunai before the Jutsu took full effect [

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->

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] so what you term 'Temari reacted to Sound' was actually Temari deflecting the sound before the Genjtusu took full effect; Shikamaru who also heard it testifies to this:

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Irrelevant when Temari already reacted to the sound waves

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. Temari already moved her body before the sound waves reached her as evidenced in the first panel.

No this isn't a speed feat because you have no proof that the Sandaime blitzed Temari after issuing that statement. The next time he is seen; the sandaime has unmounted the giant clam, isn't wearing a Raiton cloak and is facing Temari and her group. [

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Temari retreated hence she didn't get blitzed. So according to you it would be a speed feat if Temari got blitzed? So I guess if someone were to get blitzed, the blitzed person gets a speed feat in your eyes?

The next time we see Sandaime, the fight has progressed as you mentioned, hence Temari has survived a prolonged fight which goes to show that she can react.

The Raikages are all about CQC which involves getting close to your adversary so why wouldn't the Sandaime attempt to blitz Temari, the strongest wind style user? Especially when she is at the forefront of the squad.

As did those around her. Explain something to me, Icelerate; being a spectator denotes reaction speed...how? ​

People around her being able to keep up with the fight doesn't take anything away from Temari. Not to mention Temari's feat is superior because

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unlike the others who just commented on what they saw.

Being a spectator denotes reaction speed because it shows that one can clearly perceive what is happening and mentally process what they are seeing. For example, when Kakashi, Minato, Lee and Gaara spectate 7th gate Gai's clash with Madara, Gaara shows inferior reaction speed to the other three considering he had a

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. Another example is the Chuunin exams where

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. This correlates directly with how fast the spectators themselves are in terms of their reaction speed as the eyes directly take in the information and their brains have to process it. The faster one's reaction, the faster their brain can process the visuals they get.

Completely evading while he is in combat and tended to the wounded does not denote reaction speed nor does warning Naruto as the sound-waves of her voice travel at the speed of sound which is much faster than the Sandaime.​

No reason why this isn't a reaction feat. The speed at which her voice travels doesn't matter when she ends up yelling out Naruto's name before 3rd Raikage gets to Naruto's position. This shows Temari can not only visually and mentally keep up but also verbally.

They were clearly visible from Naruto's standing point which says that they were actually very near to the front of the alliance. Since the area wasn't windy, they would have seen when the Jubi motioned it's tail and the fact that they were positioned near the forefront of the alliance then intercepting an incoming Shockwave by waving their fans to produce sturdy gusts of wind does not necessarily highlight any notable reaction speed. ​

It is a reaction feat as the shock wave from the Juubi is extremely fast and the Juubi completing a swing of its tail is also extremely fast.

Well..your correlations failed to convince me of this in anyway. ​

Well your primitive mind is too hard headed to accept facts.

I've already addressed this in a previous post segment; also those aren't sound waves they are the spirits of demons. Without them making physical contact with either Itachi or Sasuke; they were still caught in the Genjutsu. ​

No, they aren't spirits of demons and if they are, you haven't proved this to be the case. Nevertheless they travel via the

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as a cropped scan you showed earlier demonstrates so they travel with the speed of the sound. Sasuke and Itachi obviously heard the genjutsu which is why it took effect same with Shikamaru but Temari manages to deflect the sound waves hence she never got caught in the genjutsu. If she ended up hearing the sound waves, she'd eventually be put into the genjutsu much like Shikamaru did.

@ Bold: You meant to say: "At the same time with" [

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]. Response to stimuli always require's mental function so the underlined is false. ​

Mental stimuli to move an arm is slower than mental stimuli to move fingers which is faster than mentally thinking about something.

The Jutsu of itself being rapid does not equate to Temari having great reaction speed just as firing a bullet from a gun does not mean your finger can move as fast as that bullet. @ underlined: The impression is actually nonexistent. ​

I never said this is a great reaction feat, I'm saying it is a great feat in terms of how fast Temari can swing her fan. Your gun analogy is terrible considering the bullet is fired after the trigger is pressed. Not to mention completing a full swing of a fan takes way more time than clicking the trigger of a gun. It doesn't change the fact that the WCN took the same amount of time to reach the 3rd Raikage as Temari took to complete the swing of her fan. WCN is Temari's fastest attack barring KKM so Temari being able to swing her fan just as fast as her second fastest attack spanning 10 m is a great striking feat.

It was a coordinated attack and yes, it's easier to rapidly swig a fan than to perform handseals. There were also other fodders swinging their fans along side Temari. None of this shows great reaction speed. ​

@Bold: Glad you agreed. The other fodders were actually slower in terms of swinging their fan as Temari completed her fan swing in the same span of time the other fuuton user was

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. Never meant to claim this as a reaction feat but to show the striking speed.

I addressed the falseness of this in an earlier post-segment.​

I've already addressed the falseness of what you conveyed to me earlier.

She went to be with her squad off panel and this, for you, qualifies as a movement speed feat? ​

Yes because the number of panels between the two events is small. Although I'll admit this feat is unquantifiable due to being off panel.

Now we have anime. In the anime a 2-3 Tomoe Sasuke during his first battle with Naruto at VoTE claimed to be able to decipher between Naruto's Kage-bunshin; which never took place in the Manga. ​

The anime is there to make you see the point but I'm backing my evidence from the manga. The example you gave doesn't matter because it is canon that dojutsu can't make out the fake from the real.

She doesn't use Fuuton Jutsu while atop the fan, she simply glides on it. Obviously because she needs to wield and swing the fan in order to produce the jutsu. ​

She uses fuuton before hopping on top of the fan. Also nothing is stopping her from using the fan in the usual manner while in midair.

Arguably the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on these forums. The fan does not affect her weight. As long as she has mass, the force of gravity will act upon it thus producing a weight which will drag her back to the ground.​

I already showcased a scan where the force from Temari's kamaitachi no jutsu

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should demonstrate what I'm implying.

 

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Well your primitive mind is too hard headed to accept facts.

Lmao. Dead.

 

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Why would Lee position his body at an angle to allow Temari to accurately prepare for the impact? Nor is there any proof from your part that Lee allowed her to prepare for the impact when Temari had no idea that Lee was going to attack hence her surprise reaction to his blitz. Temari saying Lee had speed actually proves my point and she had a small window of preparation considering she was surprised at Lee's sudden movement and the small starting distance between them.

Icelerate you're asking 'why' when it is all clearly written within the very same scan you posted? Neji, Naruto and most importantly Temari knew Lee was going to attack because she saw him lounge into the air with a leg propped above the other, this again, is before he attacked.

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Wrong, before Temari started moving, this is the distance between herself and the shadow. After her third leap, it is evidently smaller when comparing Temari's height with the distance of the shadow. The smoke receding doesn't change the fact that Temari noticed the shadow after it emerged from the smoke and it doesn't change the fact that Temari didn't notice the shadow's approach when it was near Shikamaru.

Sadly the difference between you and I is that my eye sight isn't blinded by biased for a character and unlike yourself I can count from 1 to 3. When the initial distance was taken which you said to be 2meters or roughly 7 feet, Temari's legs were in contact with the ground and she had such an advantage that when she began back-padding she was ahead of the shadow however at the end of her third flip the shadow was closer to her than it initially was.

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@Bold: Temari saw the shadow emerging form the walls shadow not the smoke because, and I'll say it again, the SfX indicates that the smoke was already receding and by the time Shikamaru's shadow made an appearance the cloud of smoke was already behind the walls shadow.

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The smoke cloud not having contact with Temari doesn't change the fact that it hid Shikamaru's actions allowing him to conceal the kunai inside the smoke cloud. Temari only managed to see the kunai after it emerged from the smoke cloud, not when it was first thrown so she had a smaller window of opportunity to react.

@ Bold: The smoke being a hindrance of her visual of Shikamaru and her actions does not mean it hindered her reactions or in simple terms, by definition (I'll do you the favor and post it below as I am now certain you're in unawares): it did not hinder what she did after seeing the Kunai as you claimed in your OP. ​

reaction
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something done, felt, or thought in response to a situation or event.

The rest of your analysis is flawed because it ignores the kunai that was coming from behind her which she managed to stop as well despite coming from out of her LoS and the fact she was also countering the kunai coming from in front of her.

You're completely wrong there was only 1 kunai. The thing you highlighted in your first link was the area of footing where Temari lounged from (westward to east ward) highlihted by the same Kanji (SFX for movement) as when she did her flips and your second link is her slowing her movement as she approached her original position behind the line. The mere fact that the drawn line was not in the first link you posted should have alerted you that it was not the same position. ​

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Jumping only requires one to bend their knees slightly, not all the way. Jumping requires you to bend both knees, not one knee to the ground like Temari had. Not to mention she was in that position from the previous dodge she made. Regardless this is all irrelevant when I'm talking about reacting.

Again the deeper the bend the more powerful the Jump. The bold highlights how incompetent you are; Temari was crouching on the ground with one knee elevated higher than the other because being at such a close proximity to the shadow it is easier for her to react by jumping in this position as opposed to standing straight. ​

Irrelevant when Temari already reacted to the sound waves before they reached her. Temari already moved her body before the sound waves reached her as evidenced in the first panel.

My God. Icelerate, the sound already reached Temari but she deflected it before Tayuya's weak Genjutsu took full effect as again when she used it on Shikamaru; despite hearing the sound he was still able to maneuver his entire body and even throw a Kunai which is why Shikamaru stated that her attack deflected the sound. The things Temari deflected were the slow wisps of materialized Inton spirits which are subsequent of using the flute. ​

NINJUTSU; Makyou no Ran (Riot of the Poltergeist*)
User: Tayuya
Offensive; Close, Medium ranges; Rank: B

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[...] Her releasing of the materialized spirits - which is to say the special chakra sealed inside of those Demons - marks the start of the grand finale, a feast: the Riot of the Poltergeist... The materialized spirits are composed almost only of mental energy, so the chakra is in an unstable state. [...]

Temari retreated hence she didn't get blitzed. So according to you it would be a speed feat if Temari got blitzed? So I guess if someone were to get blitzed, the blitzed person gets a speed feat in your eyes?

The next time we see Sandaime, the fight has progressed as you mentioned, hence Temari has survived a prolonged fight which goes to show that she can react.

The Raikages are all about CQC which involves getting close to your adversary so why wouldn't the Sandaime attempt to blitz Temari, the strongest wind style user? Especially when she is at the forefront of the squad.

@ Bold: Scans?

No I am saying that there isn't any scan of the Sandaime blitzing Temari or her group after issuing that statement so all you have written is an assumption founded on conjecture nothing more. If he was shown to have blitz her and her team and she evaded successfully then it would be a feat.​

People around her being able to keep up with the fight doesn't take anything away from Temari. Not to mention Temari's feat is superior because she was actually thinking about what was happening and thinking ahead unlike the others who just commented on what they saw.

Being a spectator denotes reaction speed because it shows that one can clearly perceive what is happening and mentally process what they are seeing. For example, when Kakashi, Minato, Lee and Gaara spectate 7th gate Gai's clash with Madara, Gaara shows inferior reaction speed to the other three considering he had a harder time keeping up with Gai's movements. Another example is the Chuunin exams where Gai has the easiest time in keeping up with Lee's speed, followed by Kakashi, followed by the genins. This correlates directly with how fast the spectators themselves are in terms of their reaction speed as the eyes directly take in the information and their brains have to process it. The faster one's reaction, the faster their brain can process the visuals they get.

Being able to process something that is occurring at high speeds mentally doesn't mean you can physically react in time because your brain will always process things faster than your body can react. This does not qualify as a feat of physical reaction speed because it was not a physical achievement. ​

No reason why this isn't a reaction feat. The speed at which her voice travels doesn't matter when she ends up yelling out Naruto's name before 3rd Raikage gets to Naruto's position. This shows Temari can not only visually and mentally keep up but also verbally.

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It obviously means that her voice was faster than the Rikage. Again, Ice; your voice travels at the speed of sound which would be much faster than the Sandaime. ​

It is a reaction feat as the shock wave from the Juubi is extremely fast and the Juubi completing a swing of its tail is also extremely fast.

Icelerate did you know the speed of a shockwave directly after leaving it's point of origin depends on many things? Did you also know that the Jubi's huge size would make it rather obvious that it is swinging it's tail through the ground as a means to form a shockwave and given that there was some distance between it and alliance that a very large window for interception (which was utilized by Temari and her team) was available; large enough for Temari to swing her fan? It's a tremendously weak reference to denote reaction speed. ​

Well your primitive mind is too hard headed to accept facts.

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No, they aren't spirits of demons and if they are, you haven't proved this to be the case. Nevertheless they travel via the sound of the flute as a cropped scan you showed earlier demonstrates so they travel with the speed of the sound. Sasuke and Itachi obviously heard the genjutsu which is why it took effect same with Shikamaru but Temari manages to deflect the sound waves hence she never got caught in the genjutsu. If she ended up hearing the sound waves, she'd eventually be put into the genjutsu much like Shikamaru did.

Mental stimuli to move an arm is slower than mental stimuli to move fingers which is faster than mentally thinking about something.

Icelerate: How can a movement of the arm be slower than movement in the fingers when there is a shorter distance to be traveled by the nerve impulses getting to the arm than getting to the fingers¿?¿?¿?¿?¿

More so: How can these ever be faster than our ability to think when we do not have to wait on nerve impulses to do so¿?¿?¿?¿? ​

I never said this is a great reaction feat, I'm saying it is a great feat in terms of how fast Temari can swing her fan. Your gun analogy is terrible considering the bullet is fired after the trigger is pressed. Not to mention completing a full swing of a fan takes way more time than clicking the trigger of a gun. It doesn't change the fact that the WCN took the same amount of time to reach the 3rd Raikage as Temari took to complete the swing of her fan. WCN is Temari's fastest attack barring KKM so Temari being able to swing her fan just as fast as her second fastest attack spanning 10 m is a great striking feat.

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The bullet is fired as the trigger is pressed just as Temari's Futton is fired after she swings her fan; How is this an erroneous analogy? The bold is irrelevant information. @ Underlined: Obviously because:The Sandaime was so close to Temari that the wind expelled made contact with him faster than Temari could have swinged her fan and recuperate from doing so. That doesn't mean her ability to swing is as fast as the wind itself; in reality it denounces the notion because if that were true then she would have recuperated from the swing at the exact time the Wind made contact with the Sandaime
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@Bold: Glad you agreed. The other fodders were actually slower in terms of swinging their fan as Temari completed her fan swing in the same span of time the other fuuton user was only halfway done his fan swing. Never meant to claim this as a reaction feat but to show the striking speed.

Your image show's Temari and a fodder swinging their fans at almost the same time; what of all the other fodders swinging their fans? Who says that Temari was the first to do so and if you support such poor reasoning what supportive canonical evidence do you have?
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Yes because the number of panels between the two events is small.

Because you're Kisimoto and you know how much time elapsed between these panels and that Temari could not have gone to meet her squad within the said time?¿?¿?¿​

The anime is there to make you see the point but I'm backing my evidence from the manga. The example you gave doesn't matter because it is canon that dojutsu can't make out the fake from the real.

I see :xD:. So the anime gives Sasuke a feat which doesn't occur in the Manga to which you disagree yet the anime gives Temari a feat which doesn't occur in the Manga to which you agree?

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She uses fuuton before hopping on top of the fan. Also nothing is stopping her from using the fan in the usual manner while in midair.

Think with me for a Moment Icelerate. Temari would have unmounted the fan by closing it in mid air and upon doing so she begins to fall and in doing so defeats the entire purpose of your idea. While falling she swings her fan towards the ground yet again which will propel her into air to once more repeat the process. Since the majority of her swings will propel her upward vertically she will grow weary quickly and make very little progress horizontally which completely defeats the purpose of your idea. I'm of the belief that you thoroughly thought this through? (or not?) if so.... how da phuck does it make sense? ​

I already showcased a scan where the force from Temari's kamaitachi no jutsu overpowered the force of gravity and forced CS2 Tayuya to exert a lot of effort to not get sent flying. This FBD should demonstrate what I'm implying.

Your scan shows air currents from Temari's fan taking an opponent several feet into the Air. How does this correlate to what was stated prior?--I'm asking how is Temari going to use this jutsu on herself continually to fly similarly to Onooki via his Jutsu?

Gravity 101: You cannot overpower the force of gravity only reduce it's effect on you by either diminishing your mass or your weight. Temari 101: Temari has no means of diminishing her mass or her weight so she will drop like a rock once in the air unless she glides atop her fan. ​

 

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Icelerate you're asking 'why' when it is all clearly written within the very same scan you posted? Neji, Naruto and most importantly Temari knew Lee was going to attack because she saw him lounge into the air with a leg propped above the other, this again, is before he attacked.

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Obviously Temari saw him before he attacked. It would be impossible to react to something you don't notice. How does that prove me wrong when Lee was a meter from Temari? My point is someone of his level of speed is effortlessly reacted to from a greater starting distance such as 5 m.

Sadly the difference between you and I is that my eye sight isn't blinded by biased for a character and unlike yourself I can count from 1 to 3. When the initial distance was taken which you said to be 2meters or roughly 7 feet, Temari's legs were in contact with the ground and she had such an advantage that when she began back-padding she was ahead of the shadow however at the end of her third flip the shadow was closer to her than it initially was.

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@Bold: Temari saw the shadow emerging form the walls shadow not the smoke because, and I'll say it again, the SfX indicates that the smoke was already receding and by the time Shikamaru's shadow made an appearance the cloud of smoke was already behind the walls shadow.

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The third line you drew didn't reach Temari's position as she's in the air and your perspective judgement is lacklustre. Temari's position on the ground in that panel isn't shown as the panel is too small to show her landing spot. Regardless I agree that Temari didn't travel faster backwards than the shadow. If anything they travelled around the same speed.

The smoke was initially covering a larger area including the wall's shadow but Temari only noticed the shadow as the cloud receded and it emerged from the wall's shadow. If there was no shadow, Temari would have noticed Shikamaru manipulating the shadow from the get go so yes the cloud of smoke gave Shikamaru some cover and less time for Temari to react.

@ Bold: The smoke being a hindrance of her visual of Shikamaru and her actions does not mean it hindered her reactions or in simple terms, by definition (I'll do you the favor and post it below as I am now certain you're in unawares): it did not hinder what she did after seeing the Kunai as you claimed in your OP. ​

Temari had a smaller time to react to the kunai because she saw it after emerging from the cloud.

You're completely wrong there was only 1 kunai. The thing you highlighted in your first link was the area of footing where Temari lounged from (westward to east ward) highlihted by the same Kanji (SFX for movement) as when she did her flips and your second link is her slowing her movement as she approached her original position behind the line. The mere fact that the drawn line was not in the first link you posted should have alerted you that it was not the same position. ​

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The sound effect refers to Temari leaping to dodge the kunai which

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Again the deeper the bend the more powerful the Jump. The bold highlights how incompetent you are; Temari was crouching on the ground with one knee elevated higher than the other because being at such a close proximity to the shadow it is easier for her to react by jumping in this position as opposed to standing straight. ​

The jump may be more powerful but it also takes more time to initiate as you have to bend your knees more steeply. Not to mention I don't see how this isn't a reaction feat because jumping also requires reaction whether you are crouched or not.

My God. Icelerate, the sound already reached Temari but she deflected it before Tayuya's weak Genjutsu took full effect as again when she used it on Shikamaru; despite hearing the sound he was still able to maneuver his entire body and even through a Kunai which is why Shikamaru stated that her attack deflected the sound. The things Temari deflected were the slow wisps of materialized Inton spirits which are subsequent of using the flute. ​

Shikamaru may have managed to throw a kunai before the genjutsu took full effect but he didn't swing a large metal fan and use a powerful gust of wind while already hearing the sound waves. You have no proof that Temari heard the sound waves when the scan I linked shows that the sound waves didn't make contact with Temari. You're just making an assumption that Temari heard the sound waves before repelling them despite having no proof that Temari can use a powerful gust of wind while the genjutsu is just moments away from fully paralysing her.

Those sound waves aren't inton spirits,

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. They have nothing to do with genjutsu. You didn't post the entire databook entry and took it out of context on purpose. Don't be a dishonest debater.

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Tayuya manipulates three Angry Demons with the sound of her flute. Her releasing of the materialized spirits - which is to say the special chakra sealed inside of those Demons - marks the start of the grand finale, a feast: the Riot of the Poltergeist... The materialized spirits are composed almost only of mental energy, so the chakra is in an unstable state. Therefore, they are starved for physical energy, search for it and gnash at it greedily...! There is no choice: the prey engaged in this endless pursuit perishes in the unsightly, frantic choregraphy.

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-The battle's grand finale is a fiendish dance. The dead souls seek out life in a savage ballet.

-The floating onslaught of the craving apparitions!!

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-Wielded through the intonations of the Demonic Flute, they devour physical energy...!!

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and are completely different from the genjutsu that Tayuya uses.

@ Bold: Scans?

No I am saying that there isn't any scan of the Sandaime blitzing Temari or her group after issuing that statement so all you have written is an assumption founded on conjecture nothing more. If he was shown to have blitz her and her team and she evaded successfully then it would be a feat.​

Well I reread that scan and the 3rd Raikage was talking about bringing in doton users to stop his blitz so I agree this is not a feat for Temari but everything you said here is an assumption founded on conjecture nothing more.

I don't see why you are claiming I'm making a conjecture even though you're using the logic that because something wasn't shown in a panel, it means it didn't happen. Going by this logic, Gai never destroyed Madara's susanoo with Hirudora. Hashirama never used flower tree world so he doesn't have it, etc.

Being able to process something that is occurring at high speeds mentally doesn't mean you can physically react in time because your brain will always process things faster than your body can react. This does not qualify as a feat of physical reaction speed because it was not a physical achievement. ​

I never suggested that a mental reaction equates a physical reaction. Where did I suggest this?

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It obviously means that her voice was faster than the Rikage. Again, Ice; your voice travels at the speed of sound which would be much faster than the Sandaime. ​

The speed at which her voice travels is irrelevant because it is a reaction feat of her being able to let words out of her mouth which is independent of the speed at which her voice travels as her reaction has nothing to do with the speed her voice travels.

Icelerate did you know the speed of a shockwave directly after leaving it's point of origin depends on many things? Did you also know that the Jubi's huge size would make it rather obvious that it is swinging it's tail through the ground as a means to form a shockwave and given that there was some distance between it and alliance that a very large window for interception (which was utilized by Temari and her team) was available; large enough for Temari to swing her fan? It's a tremendously weak reference to denote reaction speed. ​

I agree with this but the thread was to highlight whatever feat she has whether it is a weak reference or not.

Icelerate: How can a movement of the arm be slower than movement in the fingers when there is a shorter distance to be traveled by the nerve impulses getting to the arm than getting to the fingers¿?¿?¿?¿?¿

More so: How can these ever be faster than our ability to think when we do not have to wait on nerve impulses to do so¿?¿?¿?¿? ​

Moving an arm takes more effort than to move your fingers. I can type many letters in the time it takes for me to swing my arm. As for the second part, I meant to say that physically moving a large fan in the amount of time it takes to mentally form sand bullets is a better speed feat for Temari compared to Gaara. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

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The bullet is fired as the trigger is pressed just as Temari's Futton is fired after she swings her fan; How is this an erroneous analogy? The bold is irrelevant information. @ Underlined: Obviously because:The Sandaime was so close to Temari that the wind expelled made contact with him faster than Temari could have swinged her fan and recuperate from doing so. That doesn't mean her ability to swing is as fast as the wind itself; in reality it denounces the notion because if that were true then she would have recuperated from the swing at the exact time the Wind made contact with the Sandaime
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The bold is very relevant considering the fact that if someone gets caught off guard by the trigger of a finger, getting caught off guard by someone swinging their fan is a much better striking speed feat as it is much harder to catch someone off guard by swinging a fan compared to someone pulling the trigger of a gun. In a previous portion of your post, you highlighted on how the Juubi motioning itself to create the shockwave is what allowed the fuuton users to react to it as they had something to prepare for. How is Temari swinging her fan not a valid precursor for the fact that fuuton is being used? If her fan swinging speed was slow, the Sandaime would have been able to get out of the before WCN was prepped but this was not the case. Although this could be because the 3rd Raikage was a mindless zombie.

Your image show's Temari and a fodder swinging their fans at almost the same time; what of all the other fodders swinging their fans? Who says that Temari was the first to do so and if you support such poor reasoning what supportive canonical evidence do you have?
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My image shows Temari completing her swing while the other fodder was in midway. If Temari has already completed her swing before the person standing beside her, that either means she can swing faster, reacted faster or both.

Because you're Kisimoto and you know how much time elapsed between these panels and that Temari could not have gone to meet her squad within the said time?¿?¿?¿​

Considering the Juubi swung its tail right after the alliance arrived, it didn't take long at all.

I see :xD:. So the anime gives Sasuke a feat which doesn't occur in the Manga to which you disagree yet the anime gives Temari a feat which doesn't occur in the Manga to which you agree?

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Are you retarded? I'm not giving Temari an exclusive feat from the anime, let alone one that contradicts with the manga. The anime was just to show you a visual to get a better perspective but I used manga scans to back my claim.

Think with me for a Moment Icelerate. Temari would have unmounted the fan by closing it in mid air and upon doing so she begins to fall and in doing so defeats the entire purpose of your idea. While falling she swings her fan towards the ground yet again which will propel her into air to once more repeat the process. Since she majority of her swings will propel her upward vertically she will grow weary quickly and make very little progress horizontally which completely defeats the purpose of your idea. I'm of the belief that you thoroughly thought this through? (or not?) if so.... how da phuck does it make sense? ​

By shooting fuuton diagonally, she can create both upward and sideward momentum so her not being able to make much progress horizontally is false. There is nothing preventing Temari from using fuuton a few seconds later when the force from her previous fuuton runs out. It took Temari many uses of her fuuton before she started growing weary (

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Your scan shows air currents from Temari's fan taking an opponent several feet into the Air. How does this correlate to what was stated prior?--I'm asking how is Temari going to use this jutsu on herself continually to fly similarly to Onooki via his Jutsu? ​

My point was Tayuya was sent flying upward against the force of gravity so if Temari uses it in a similar fashion to how a rocket uses fuel, she can send herself upwards. It doesn't have to be similar to Onoki, there are many different ways one can maneuver in the air.

Gravity 101: You cannot overpower the force of gravity only reduce it's effect on you by either diminishing your mass or your weight. Temari 101: Temari has no means of diminishing her mass or her weight so she will drop like a rock once in the air unless she glides atop her fan.

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What is preventing Temari from shooting more fuuton to propel herself further?