Team Taka Vs Hidan and Kakuzu

[Optimistic]

The first way in which Kakuzu is able to defeat Susano'o is by using the well known "pull the user from under Susano'o". Now Kakuzu can do this numerous of ways, or he can combine a tactic of two techniques to successfully disable Susano'os use within his battle. Here it was seen Gaara processed/implemented the underground maneuver to pull Madara out of his Susano'o:

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The combined force of Jiongu's detachment capabilities (making body parts go underground, then resurface):

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And Kakuzu's Katon mask's ability: Zukokku:

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The Susano'o user's foot-holding would be burned to nothing in which their underside would be non-existent, in which would leave an opening for Jiongu's capabilities to take a hold of the Susano'o user, and possibly bind their movement restricting them from movement. Within this happening the deployed arm would take a hold of the Susano'o users leg(s), and pull them from under or directly out of Susano'o.

Footing:
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2. Base for progress: a foundation or basis for further advancement or development
3. Status: the status or condition of something, often in relation to something else

Using katon moves on a enton amaterasu user is foolish.Sasuke can literally eat that flame away before it even gets near him.Not to mention he has suigetsu a decent water style user to counter than katon attack.Kakuzu putting his hands underground will leave him open for a enton arrow or amaterasu since like the scan shows can only be executed if A) His stationary B) Sasuke and his team is standing there allowing this drawn out plan to work.

the rest of the post can be countered by enton arrows, his masks are not fast enough to dodge such a move and they won't be distracting Sasuke since he has everything in his arsenal to kill them off.This whole post would work if Sasuke doesn't do anything about it, as usual this is only a scenario created by whoever made this post a scenario that will most likely never happen IC.

Well .. i mean if he wants to kill himself he can keep that active for a long period of time... but its not sustaining for long ..And i copied it because the part with Kakuzu's fire style is a valid counter

The reason he stopped using is because he was going blind not cause of his chakra levels, Karin can go within Susano'o healing him up anyway not like it'll impact Sasuke much anyway.He kept his V3 up through out the whole Danzo fight doing it for a fight this short is a cakewalk.Sasuke's stamina outside of EMS is being ignored.

 

[slimreaper]

Taka Sasuke def. did not have acces to final Susano, .. so give this a look over


Kakuzu is able to counter Susano'o in many ways as his arsenal is moreover perfect for exploiting the true meaning of which Itachi himself has given:

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The first way in which Kakuzu is able to defeat Susano'o is by using the well known "pull the user from under Susano'o". Now Kakuzu can do this numerous of ways, or he can combine a tactic of two techniques to successfully disable Susano'os use within his battle. Here it was seen Gaara processed/implemented the underground maneuver to pull Madara out of his Susano'o:

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The combined force of Jiongu's detachment capabilities (making body parts go underground, then resurface):

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And Kakuzu's Katon mask's ability: Zukokku:

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The Susano'o user's foot-holding would be burned to nothing in which their underside would be non-existent, in which would leave an opening for Jiongu's capabilities to take a hold of the Susano'o user, and possibly bind their movement restricting them from movement. Within this happening the deployed arm would take a hold of the Susano'o users leg(s), and pull them from under or directly out of Susano'o.

Footing:
1. Stability of feet: a stable secure position for or placement of the feet when standing or walking
2. Base for progress: a foundation or basis for further advancement or development
3. Status: the status or condition of something, often in relation to something else

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The second way in which Kakuzu can completely counter, and defeat Susano'o is through Elemental Ninjutsu, with the addition that Susano'o is going through transformation. Why exactly do I say Elemental Ninjutsu + Susano'o going through transformation stages would enable Kakuzu to secure a scenario of defeating a Susano'o user is because.. Danzo. Danzo's direct analysis within his fight against Sasuke gave away that exposed parts on Susano'o can be used to triumph:

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And another shot of the gap formerly shown in Susano'o is within Itachi's as well:

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With that being said/shown I'll move on to the Elemental Ninjutsu part. Kakuzu has the most elemental affinities within the Manga as to date, and he was said to be quite proficient in the use of his 4 elements, in which he is able to combine the natures together to form a power triple affinity attack:

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So with a combined force (singular attack), or multiple assaults with different elements. Some may argue that any Susano'o user would protect their exposed spinal cord (the gap) when going through the transformation stages, and that is true. However, with the capabilities of Kakuzu's mask able to go aerial, and the fact that the Susano'o user would have to fend against 3 aerial masks, and Kakuzu himself one could only concur that the Susano'o user would succumb to the multiple attacks, and have their gap penetrated:

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Susano'o stands no chance in the presence of a true monster such as Kakuzu..

How .? enton arrows are tanked and the amertarasu removed from Kakuzu's body, thereafter, Taka Sasuke's susano can in fact be breached .. And Im pretty sure Hidan can solo Jugo Karin, while Kakuzu's lightning hearts Solo's suigetsu

there is no gap in susanoo's back. That gap was created by baku making danzo's wind jutsu stronger. He had no ability to break it previously. and a susanoo arrow to the face keeps kakuzu busy while taka attack. and worst case scenario sasuke takes flight on his bad ass hawk and makes it rain amaterasu

 

[Zexion~]

Using katon moves on a enton amaterasu user is foolish.Sasuke can literally eat that flame away before it even gets near him.Not to mention he has suigetsu a decent water style user to counter than katon attack.Kakuzu putting his hands underground will leave him open for a enton arrow or amaterasu since like the scan shows can only be executed if A) His stationary B) Sasuke and his team is standing there allowing this drawn out plan to work.

the rest of the post can be countered by enton arrows, his masks are not fast enough to dodge such a move and they won't be distracting Sasuke since he has everything in his arsenal to kill them off.This whole post would work if Sasuke doesn't do anything about it, as usual this is only a scenario created by whoever made this post a scenario that will most likely never happen IC.

How accurate are enton arrows? As unless they are hitting the mask of the hearts, they will still be able to function, as the rest of them is made out of thread only. Honestly people underestimate what it takes to kill these things U_U And although an enton arrow is considerably fast, it still only moves a linear motion all the hearts need to do are shift themselves so the arrow would hit the threaded part , where it would either phase through , or it would remove the threads that have been affected,

Suigetsu is basically one shotted by Kakuzu's raiton .. I mean he has not many viable counters, so expecting him too back Sasuke up is a long shot , And there not all one plan btw ..if your read it its multiple counters to susano, i dont think using his katon is a "drawn out plan", And if he ate it up it would only lower his stamina even more, while Kakuzu could fire again and again, So either way its a plus for Kakuzu in this fight,

 

[KidGamer65]

Taka Sasuke def. did not have acces to final Susano, .. so give this a look over


Kakuzu is able to counter Susano'o in many ways as his arsenal is moreover perfect for exploiting the true meaning of which Itachi himself has given:

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The first way in which Kakuzu is able to defeat Susano'o is by using the well known "pull the user from under Susano'o". Now Kakuzu can do this numerous of ways, or he can combine a tactic of two techniques to successfully disable Susano'os use within his battle. Here it was seen Gaara processed/implemented the underground maneuver to pull Madara out of his Susano'o:

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The combined force of Jiongu's detachment capabilities (making body parts go underground, then resurface):

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lol? Gaara's sand was already at Madara's feet. That's the only reason he was able to grab on to him and pull him out. I don't know where people got this "Enter Susanoo from the underground nonsense" from but its clearly not a viable tactic. Not to mention he had to restrain the Susanoo with his sand as well. Not to mention he can evade these things.

And Kakuzu's Katon mask's ability: Zukokku:

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The Susano'o user's foot-holding would be burned to nothing in which their underside would be non-existent, in which would leave an opening for Jiongu's capabilities to take a hold of the Susano'o user, and possibly bind their movement restricting them from movement. Within this happening the deployed arm would take a hold of the Susano'o users leg(s), and pull them from under or directly out of Susano'o.

Footing:
1. Stability of feet: a stable secure position for or placement of the feet when standing or walking
2. Base for progress: a foundation or basis for further advancement or development
3. Status: the status or condition of something, often in relation to something else

I hope this isn't saying that his Katon is going to hurt the user while they are in Susanoo? Cause we all know that isn't happening. An external attack isn't going to magically bypass Susanoo's defenses and hit the user.

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The second way in which Kakuzu can completely counter, and defeat Susano'o is through Elemental Ninjutsu, with the addition that Susano'o is going through transformation. Why exactly do I say Elemental Ninjutsu + Susano'o going through transformation stages would enable Kakuzu to secure a scenario of defeating a Susano'o user is because.. Danzo. Danzo's direct analysis within his fight against Sasuke gave away that exposed parts on Susano'o can be used to triumph:

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And another shot of the gap formerly shown in Susano'o is within Itachi's as well:

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With that being said/shown I'll move on to the Elemental Ninjutsu part. Kakuzu has the most elemental affinities within the Manga as to date, and he was said to be quite proficient in the use of his 4 elements, in which he is able to combine the natures together to form a power triple affinity attack:

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So with a combined force (singular attack), or multiple assaults with different elements. Some may argue that any Susano'o user would protect their exposed spinal cord (the gap) when going through the transformation stages, and that is true. However, with the capabilities of Kakuzu's mask able to go aerial, and the fact that the Susano'o user would have to fend against 3 aerial masks, and Kakuzu himself one could only concur that the Susano'o user would succumb to the multiple attacks, and have their gap penetrated:

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Susano'o stands no chance in the presence of a true monster such as Kakuzu..

There is no gap in Susanoo. We can see that this gap was clearly MADE by Danzo when he sliced the back of Susanoo open via his Fuuton. I really hope the rest of this post isn't saying that Kakuzu's elemental jutsu are going to get past Susanoo, if it is...then lol, no, is all I have to say.

 

[Optimistic]

How accurate are enton arrows? As unless they are hitting the mask of the hearts, they will still be able to function, as the rest of them is made out of thread only.

Sauske's aim is always precise thanks to his sharingan predicting the targets moves.

Honestly people underestimate what it takes to kill these things U_U And although an enton arrow is considerably fast, it still only moves a linear motion all the hearts need to do are shift themselves so the arrow would hit the threaded part , where it would either phase through , or it would remove the threads that have been affected,

So the masks are above kakashi's reaction speed? He couldn't even move a muscle he could only use Kamui to get away from it.Kabuto dodged it cause of SM something his masks lack.They get hit they can't dodge it unless the manga is drawn incorrectly and translated wrong.

Suigetsu is basically one shotted by Kakuzu's raiton .. I mean he has not many viable counters, so expecting him too back Sasuke up is a long shot

Sasuke as a fellow teammate can block it like Sasuke tanked Juubito's attack for Naruto.That move got countered by Raikari so i can hardly call that a threat for Susano'o.

And there not all one plan btw ..if your read it its multiple counters to susano, i dont think using his katon is a "drawn out plan", And if he ate it up it would only lower his stamina even more

Again with the stamina thing, Sasuke has shown the ability to use summoning,katon,chidori all with his Susano'o active after using amaterasu.Every argument for Sasuke's stamina is futile especially with Karin around to heal him.

while Kakuzu could fire again and again, So either way its a plus for Kakuzu in this fight,

Sasuke snipes him with 2 arrows after every shot.That plan may work on someone like Itachi but Sasuke who has a fast projectile.Get out of here.

 

[KidGamer65]

How accurate are enton arrows? As unless they are hitting the mask of the hearts, they will still be able to function, as the rest of them is made out of thread only. Honestly people underestimate what it takes to kill these things U_U And although an enton arrow is considerably fast, it still only moves a linear motion all the hearts need to do are shift themselves so the arrow would hit the threaded part , where it would either phase through , or it would remove the threads that have been affected,

Suigetsu is basically one shotted by Kakuzu's raiton .. I mean he has not many viable counters, so expecting him too back Sasuke up is a long shot , And there not all one plan btw ..if your read it its multiple counters to susano, i dont think using his katon is a "drawn out plan", And if he ate it up it would only lower his stamina even more, while Kakuzu could fire again and again, So either way its a plus for Kakuzu in this fight,

Am I reading this right now? Danzo and Kakashi couldn't even move before the arrow hit them and you think these hearts, who definitely don't have as good reactions as those guys are going to be able to do what you say they can do? Especially when considering how big an arrow is compared to a human.

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Like Tim Jamison said, Sharingan pre cog definitely helps when it comes to hitting the targets with arrows.

 

[Optimistic]

The fact that MS Sasuke is being compared to Kakuzu is worrying....

 

[Zexion~]

lol? Gaara's sand was already at Madara's feet. That's the only reason he was able to grab on to him and pull him out. I don't know where people got this "Enter Susanoo from the underground nonsense" from but its clearly not a viable tactic. Not to mention he had to restrain the Susanoo with his sand as well. Not to mention he can evade these things.



I hope this isn't saying that his Katon is going to hurt the user while they are in Susanoo? Cause we all know that isn't happening. An external attack isn't going to magically bypass Susanoo's defenses and hit the user.








There is no gap in Susanoo. We can see that this gap was clearly MADE by Danzo when he sliced the back of Susanoo open via his Fuuton. I really hope the rest of this post isn't saying that Kakuzu's elemental jutsu are going to get past Susanoo, if it is...then lol, no, is all I have to say.

The only one i agree with Is Kakuzu's katon .. and why would it not work,? Gaara's sand got in the susano from under it ..regardless of the circumstances which means it can be breached from underneath, how else would the sand of gotten into the susano,

And also

The only known ways to attack the user while Susanoo is active is either to draw the wielder out of the technique and then attack,[5] bind and restrict its movements

Kakuzu may even be able to restrain it with a massive amount of his threads

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[KidGamer65]

The only one i agree with Is Kakuzu's katon .. and why would it not work,? Gaara's sand got in the susano from under it ..regardless of the circumstances which means it can be breached from underneath, how else would the sand of gotten into the susano,

And also


Kakuzu may even be able to restrain it with a massive amount of his threads

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Gaara's sand being already at Madara's feet means it was already inside the Susanoo to begin with. Kakuzu has no such luxury.

Or Sasuke can burn the threads via Enton. Or he could simply dodge them. Its not like it matters cause Kakuzu isn't and can't get into Susanoo from the underground.

I hope you aren't saying that you agree with Elemental jutsu getting past Susanoo, since you said Katon counter was the only one you agree with.

 

[ToshiZO]

Gaara's sand being already at Madara's feet means it was already inside the Susanoo to begin with. Kakuzu has no such luxury.

Or Sasuke can burn the threads via Enton. Or he could simply dodge them. Its not like it matters cause Kakuzu isn't and can't get into Susanoo from the underground.

I hope you aren't saying that you agree with Elemental jutsu getting past Susanoo, since you said Katon counter was the only one you agree with.

Kakuzu is one of the only people who can.

 

[KidGamer65]

Kakuzu is one of the only people who can.

Can do what? Get him from the underground? Cause as I and the manga have already shown. That's impossible.

 

[Zexion~]

Sauske's aim is always precise thanks to his sharingan predicting the targets moves.

So the masks are above kakashi's reaction speed? He couldn't even move a muscle he could only use Kamui to get away from it.Kabuto dodged it cause of SM something his masks lack.They get hit they can't dodge it unless the manga is drawn incorrectly and translated wrong.

Sasuke as a fellow teammate can block it like Sasuke tanked Juubito's attack for Naruto.That move got countered by Raikari so i can hardly call that a threat for Susano'o.

Again with the stamina thing, Sasuke has shown the ability to use summoning,katon,chidori all with his Susano'o active after using amaterasu.Every argument for Sasuke's stamina is futile especially with Karin around to heal him.

Sasuke snipes him with 2 arrows after every shot.That plan may work on someone like Itachi but Sasuke who has a fast projectile.Get out of here.

Wasn't SM kabuto able to avoid them completley in such a closed in area? (no im not comparing their speed to Kabuto's im just wondering )

Besides a human avoiding it is a completely different thing, The hearts have the advantage of simply letting it hit anywhere but the mask,Kakashi could not let it touch him anywhere, so simply shifting would still of have gotten him killed unlike the hearts U_U And using Chidori and Katons are not as draining as MS techniques, Sasuke stated that he could barley keep up normal susano i believe,

Also again Unless the arrows pierce Kakuzu's heart its not doing much damage , as he too is made of threads


People underrate Kakuzu too much .. He may not win but its not really a stomp


@KG- I think this particular one that attacks from the ground may be able to enter the same way Gaara's sand did

 

[Strict]

Last time I checked the user of Susanoo can move within that Chakra entity freely.

- When using the perfect Susanoo, Madara stays in its head.
- When using Susanoo with legs, Madara stays in the middle, in its torso.
- Even without legs, Madara wasn't standing on the ground entirely.

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Also Sasuke showed that he can move within his Susanoo freely, when he moved towards Danzo to cast Amaterasu on him. This "weakness" is easily eliminated by a user of Susanoo.

Moving Susanoo from its place with Kakuzu's Katon technique seems rather ridiculous when it already proved enough stability to keep its place under the effect of Baku's suction and can use its bow for further stability [

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]. Also when he talks about a gap at Susanoo's back when it was created by Danzo by ripping Susanoo's back with a Fuuton technique, which strength was largely increased by Baku.

This post of Zexion is the same as DrProof's. Quantity without quality.

 

[Prince Charles]

Why am I seeing this blasphemy of kakuzu's katon mask burning sasukes feat? His v2 sussano stopped Mei's acid mist.[

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]. No way in hell is katon burning his feet when even the mist couldnt go any further in the sussano.

Also his chakra reserves actually improved ever since his curse mark got sealed away by itachi, why you may ask? I'll tell you why. Back at the VOTE fight between sasuke and naruto, sasuke explains how the curse mark uses too much power and he has to preserve how much is used[

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]. With it now gone his chakra reserves are now more open and bigger so maintaining the full sussano aint no problem for him!

 

[KidGamer65]

Wasn't SM kabuto able to avoid them completley in such a closed in area? (no im not comparing their speed to Kabuto's im just wondering )

Besides a human avoiding it is a completely different thing, The hearts have the advantage of simply letting it hit anywhere but the mask,Kakashi could not let it touch him anywhere, so simply shifting would still of have gotten him killed unlike the hearts U_U And using Chidori and Katons are not as draining as MS techniques, Sasuke stated that he could barley keep up normal susano i believe,

Also again Unless the arrows pierce Kakuzu's heart its not doing much damage , as he too is made of threads


People underrate Kakuzu too much .. He may not win but its not really a stomp


@KG- I think this particular one that attacks from the ground may be able to enter the same way Gaara's sand did

They can't. Gaara's sand didn't enter Susanoo, it was already at Madara's feet meaning it was already in Susanoo to begin with. Susanoo can NOT be entered from the underground. Not to mention Strict's post pretty much debunks that whole argument.

Kakuzu stands no chance against Sasuke. This is a low-mid diff fight.

 

[ToshiZO]

Can do what? Get him from the underground? Cause as I and the manga have already shown. That's impossible.

Thats prerty much all Kakuzu is about..chakra threads, if someone is.exposing him from beneath no one is more suitable than Kakuzu. He can send a network of threads underground, Sasuke CAN be caught offguard if his foot gets caught from behind him.

 

[Optimistic]

Wasn't SM kabuto able to avoid them completley in such a closed in area? (no im not comparing their speed to Kabuto's im just wondering )

He's in Sage Mode of course he can have the reflexes to do that.

Besides a human avoiding it is a completely different thing, The hearts have the advantage of simply letting it hit anywhere but the mask,Kakashi could not let it touch him anywhere, so simply shifting would still of have gotten him killed unlike the hearts U_U

you don't understand what 3T does for an archer like Sasuke.His aiming is always on target his arrow will hit the mask.

And using Chidori and Katons are not as draining as MS techniques, Sasuke stated that he could barley keep up normal susano i believe,

He used jutsu's while having Susano'o active that alone takes large chakra reserve's to do.I;m ignoring all the stamina posts since the Danzo fights showcased Sasuke's stamina its not my fault that people try to ignore this feat.

Also again Unless the arrows pierce Kakuzu's heart its not doing much damage , as he too is made of threads

And those same threads will be caught on fire by enton.Do you realize how big the enton arrow is? He dies after one arrow since it will pierce him through the heart and burn him alive.

People underrate Kakuzu too much .. He may not win but its not really a stomp

Never said it was a stomp.You just mentioned underrated as if Sasuke isn't underrated constantly on the base.Go read almost any Sasuke thread and you'll see how underrated Sasuke is due to the amount of hate he receives.

You pretty much used Dr Proof's argument which was the worst thing you could've done considering how easily people countered it on this thread.Team Taka wins end of story.

 

[KidGamer65]

Thats prerty much all Kakuzu is about..chakra threads, if someone is.exposing him from beneath no one is more suitable than Kakuzu. He can send a network of threads underground, Sasuke CAN be caught offguard if his foot gets caught from behind him.

Again. Susanoo can't be entered from the outside. Not by anything and definitely not by Kakuzu's threads. Earlier posts show this. Manga shows this.

 

[Prince Charles]

Thats prerty much all Kakuzu is about..chakra threads, if someone is.exposing him from beneath no one is more suitable than Kakuzu. He can send a network of threads underground, Sasuke CAN be caught offguard if his foot gets caught from behind him.

Kakuzu's threads aint restraining nor holding sasuke in place. They get nullified by chidori nagashi.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Team Taka wins with low diff, at best. As the others above have said, Sasuke solos. Kakuzu is strong and all, but for the love of god, the guy has his limits.