[VS] Team Minato vs Team 7

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Kifflom going up against Sasuke tsk you'll only end in defeat

 

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If Obito can fit in there, Sasuke will have room to fit in there as well, so once again, no. The tree gets cut up. Not to mention Sasuke won't be twiddling his thumbs while Obito preps a barrier and the tree, especially since he can blitz Obito at any time. Whether its by teleporting there himself or teleporting Obito to him.

yeah and the duo wont just stand there and let sasuke do all this, without doing anything at all,
Kakashi can send his kamui shuriken and use his PS to still attack Sasuke,
this allows obito more than enough time to fire off the TBB,

The rest of your post goes with the counter I have. Bijuu Dama isn't happening when Sasuke can cut the tree.

He is not cutting it as easily as ur stating it out to be, as kakashi can serve as a very good diversion to fire off the TBB

Obito can't fire barrages of Bijuu Dama without his tree, which gets destroyed before it ever gets near charging completion.

I feel like I have to repeat myself here,
Kakashi can stall sasuke through his kamui shuriken as well as his kamui warps
and even if his PS gets overwhelmed, kakashi can just stay intangible
as this onslaught would allow obito to fire off the barrages of TBB

I've already explained that. If Kakashi tries to warp him with Kamui, he warps and blitzes Kakashi, and kills him. There is nothing to explain. Sasuke is faster than Kakashi, and his jutsu is faster. So he evades it.

Kakashis reflexes are quite impressive, he is not getting blitzed unless hes within the short range of sasukes S/T
Kakashi can set his intangibility on time if sasuke would resort to his shunshin seeing how his S/T range can be bypassed,
Sasuke may be able to evade kakashis kamui warps sure, but he is not evading kakashis PS shockwavees on foot due to their large AOE,
and Sasuke has also not shown to be able to use his S/T whilst hes in his PS
and without his PS he gets overwhelmed tthrough kakashis PS or juubitos attacks

Ok?

Itachi solos GG

His PS won't get destroyed though.

With the reasons stated above, it will
and with ur reasoning of sasuke attempting to blitz kakashi and obito through his S/T means that he wont even have his PS there, thus it will result in sasuke getting wrecked

It needs to be not fodder in comparison to actually distract him. It is, so it gets wrecked.

It is still amped up by rikudos chakra and its kamui shuriken alongside PS shockwaves still allow kakashi more than enough time to stall him,
not to mention that kakashis PS has shown to be just as mobile as sasuke,

Why are we even talking about Juubito's DC here? I'm only talking about Sasuke. He tears through Kakashi and goes right for the Tree.

and again,
he is NOT tearing through kakashi within seconds, thats not happening,
and all jubito needs is a few seconds and he can fire off the TBB, not to mention that the barrier would atleast prevent him from sasukes attacks for a short while till his TBB are set up and fired

His Gudo Dama was getting cracked by Senpo Bijuu Dama. Sasuke's PS cut through Meteors that dwarfed multiple Mountain Ranges when broken apart, and they were CT orbs, so they are more durable than Mountains of the same size. One slash of his PS rapes Obito's Gudo Dama shields.

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unless you believe that obitos speed is slower than the PS slash,
therefore there is really no need for obito to tank the blade when he can evade it

His Gudo Dama based attacks aren't doing anything.
-Power wise, a Ribcage Susanoo's hand can

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a beam of it. Rikudo PS would tank any explosion.

A mere beam, with no DC feats at all,
yet Obito still destroyed the kurama avatar and Sasukes susnaoo with utmost ease through a mere blunt force attack from his TSB, besides the TSB can still hold sasuke down long enough for the TBB to fire

-Hax wise, Sasuke's Jutsu use Rikudo's Chakra, so they can't be negated by Onmyoton.

I never said that Onmyoudon would negate it, so i dont see why bring that up

And the Kurama Avatar slapped away his chakra arms, Sasuke cuts right through them.

Im gna need proof on that,

have already shown the opposite, and have already countered Kakashi being some kind of distraction.

Kakashi is definitely able to stall sasuke long enough to allow juubito to fire off his TBB
you really havent told much as to how sasuke takes him down before obito fires off his TBB,
you are just stating that Kakashis PS <<<< Sasukes
but that really doesnt matter since he still has his intangibility and his range for kamui is still much higher than sasuke and can coordinate his atttacks of susanoo through his kamui, and can also break apart a portion of sasukes susanoo through the shuriken

not to mention that his intangibility helps him stall sasuke quite well, even if PS gets overwhelmed,

Dafuq? Are we reading the same manga here? You and I both know that the bold is nothing but nonsense. Come on now. I've shown two pages, from start to finish of the Bijuu Dama, yet you are telling me Sasuke did

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in the same amount of time? As if swinging a sword would take that long anyway.

With that being said. Sasuke teleports to the tree, or flies to the tree, and cuts it up.

i clearly said ''execution speed'' meaning that once the TBB is fired, not counting the charge up time,
i am well aware that a PS slash is quicker than charging a TBB,
but i have clearly stated that kakashi helps obito charge up his TBB

My Enton point flew right above your head. If it didn't, I wouldn't have had to explain what I meant.

Entons still get sent to the kamui dimension, i dont see where the problem is about that,

Intangiblity only lets him evade Sasuke. Evading someone who isn't trying to fight you isn't going to make them stay and beat you. Sasuke just goes on to beat Obito, and hitting Kaguya is only because she already attacked and he phased right through it and dashed past her, in free fall. Unless you want to claim that Kakashi, in free fall, is some kind of speedster, which is factually incorrect as freefalling objects move at the same speed I believe.

Intangibility lets him hold back sasuke without kakashi getting damaged,
Sasuke still has to deal with kakashi more or less, and with the latter being a PS user, he can stall sasuke long enough, annd even if his PS is destroyed, with the rikudos chakra, kakashi can still form it again, and fight sasuke therefore allowing obito to set his TBB up,

@Bold - No, Kakashi is clearly not free-falling

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and the side ways force that enabled him to move
he was in free fall, only afterwards once the jutsu was executed,
moreover raikiri already allows kakashi to increase his speed, so i dont see why ur trying to claim that he waas in free fall when he clearly executed the jutsu,
there is also the fact that kaguya can fly therefore it renders ur point moot seeing how kaguyas flying force enables her to resist the effects of gravity,

so the fact is that neither kakashi nor kaguya were in free fall,

Lol. He can evade Kamui, so that isn't an issue. If Kakashi tries that, he warps right to the tree and destroys it, thus evading Kamui and accomplishing his goal.

Lol - Sasukes S/T jutsu clealrly has a range,

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he is not teleporting that easily, especially with kakashi using his PS to fight sasuke,
and with sasuke teleporting without his susanoo means that kakashi can use shockwaves to attack sasuke effectively

Based on what? That's what I've been trying to figure out this whole time.

Sasuke is not one shotting kakashi, thats what ive been tryiig to tell you,
this allows obito to fire off his TBB and finish off saasuke,

Obviously not, as I've been saying that he doesn't need to bother with Kakashi. I don't know how hard this is to understand.

He does need to bother with kakashi,
hhe is a PS, S/T user with rikudo chakra, ffs,
i dont see why its soo hard for you to understand that sasuke cant do 2 things at the same time,

Lol feats? I've seen how Obito uses his Bijuu Dama, and they need to be charged up. All Bijuu Dama require a charge, and Sasuke can instantaneously teleport, so it doesn't really matter.

Yes, all bijuudama neeed to be charged, but NOT all TBB have the same charge up time,

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however,

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what im saying is that obito doesnt need to charge his TBB as much as he did in canon, as they would still have the firepower to damage sasukes PS,
Sasuke can instantaneously teleport but with kakashi stalling him, as well as his attack themselves still not being instant, as well as the fact that juubito can maintain his distance, means that the TBB are fired

So, Obito can use barrages of Bijuu Dama, and he hasn't shown it, yet Sasuke can't teleport with his Susanoo, even though there is literally no reason he can't teleport with it? Lmao. Double Standard? Kakashi hasn't shown Kamui in PS either, no reason he can't do it.

Doesn't really matter though since Susanoo can be used once he arrives.

Sasuke cannot teleport WITH his susanoo, he has never shown it, and that is different from obito using barrages of TBB, heck Obito is the juubi jin, every other jin such as naruto and killer bee have shown them
along with the fact that barrages of TBB are simmply smaller TBB that have fewer chakra within them, but are simply more in quantity,
there really isnt a need for Obito to show thiis feat either since he already fired off 4 TBB in canon, and its common sense that he can do it, just how any bijuu can fire off barrages

Lol. You act like he can't just put it up after he warps. And his Bijuu Dama are a non factor as they get cut down.

He cant teleport WITH his susanoo, but i am well aware that he can form it afterwards,
Lol what!
how are his TBB gettting cut down, thats nonsense,

Not only do they have zero speed feats, their AoE isn't even that big, don't know where you are getting this impressive view on their AoE from, but it isn't the manga. They are evaded with ease.

Lol what,

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and this is from a juuubi that isnt even complete
Sasuke is not evading an attack of this magnitude, thats nonsense
and kakashis PS is still amped up with rikudos chakra, meaning that it most likely has a higher AOE then

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unless you think that sasuke can cover 5 mountain worth of distance through his S/T which has not shown a range longer than even a few meters than no he is not evading them with ease

Sasuke would get there before Kakashi ever began teleporting, so he'd have Susanoo up and he'd murk Kakashi after cutting the tree.

Tree =/= Obito
Obito can also send the god tree to go after sasuke and attack him,
as this can allow him more than enough time, to fire off his TBB, unless you think that sasuke is beating the god tree and kakashi before the TBB are fired then Lol

Sakura was out of Sasuke's Range, but he swapped with her jacket in order to reach her, meaning he can swap with things outside of his range. [

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] Though its irrelevant as he can get into range with Susanoo if he's out of it.

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, so even if you claim that swappiing with objects increases his minimal range
the extent to which it increases from really isnt that big,
and if hes in susanoo and attempting to get in range then kakashi can still use kamui shuriken to attack him

@bold: Now you aren't even making sense. How is he going to attack Sasuke, when he'll be in Sasuke's old position, which will be (going by your argument) out of his reach? Lol. Not to mention Obito's chakra arms are fodder to Kaguya's, they aren't doing anything let alone stalling him, same with his Gudo Dama.

God Tree can stall him quite well,
his chakra arms and TSB dont need to be as strong as kaguyas to destroy his PS,
they simply allow obito to push sasuke back and preventing him from slsashing the tree before the TBB are fired

Lmfao. Not only was Susanoo vanishing, Kaguya>>>>Obito in speed, strength, reflexes. Everything. Don't compare the two. EMS Sasuke and BSM Naruto were able to react to Obito's speed and tag him. [

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] Obito couldn't even evade a strike from EMS Sasuke's Senjutsu Susanoo after he had gotten used to the former's speed. Rinnegan Sasuke effortlessly tags him with his faster and stronger Susanoo.

I dont see what youre trying to say, when i am well aware that Kaguya >>> Obito,
nor did i ever state that obito is better than her,

and Obito clearly did use his TSB on Sasuke thats just BS, hell a few pages later sasukes susanoo is completey destroyyed and hes on the ground,

Hell no. The only thing Obito has against him are Juubidama, and even then they get countered. Aside from that, his arsenal is fodder to Sasuke's Susanoo. Juubito gets wrecked. Its barely mid diff let alone high diff.

i said mid diff

Based on what? Free falling and hitting Kaguya with Raikiri? Lmao. No. His reflexes haven't shown such a dramatic increase that would lead me to believe he can react to Sasuke.

Already addressed above that its not freefall so ur wrong on that,
and his reflexes are intangibility would help him counter sasukes attacks,

For the last time, Obito's attacks are fodder to Sasuke's Susanoo. Throwing weak ass attacks at a strong person doesn't distract them from their goal.

God tree is clearly not fodder, it prevents him long enough for juubito to fire his attacks

They still have to charge, and Sasuke teleports instantaneously. So it doesn't really matter unless he makes them extremely small, but then they wouldn't even do shit to Susanoo.

Juubis TBB no matter what the size are still damaging his susanoo,

1. Obito tries to use Bijuu Dama. Kakashi tries to stall.
2. Sasuke teleports away from Kakashi to Obito and cuts the tree and he cuts Obito, or he plows through Kakashi and cuts the tree, and he cuts Obito.

SO he cuts through kakashi and his PS, and eradicates the god tree , teleports in the barrier, and cuts trough the tree while obito just stand there and does nothing whatsoever all of this is done before a mere charge up of TBB
please, No

Neither Obito or Madara are reacting to Sasuke's Rinnegan Shift either. Not when Madara was blitzed by it twice.

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I dont see why bring that up when Obito would clearly be out of the range from sasuke and safe from his attacks

 

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Kifflom clearly missing every point being made.

Dickriding much. When you clearly havnt read the argument

Kifflom going up against Sasuke tsk you'll only end in defeat

Lol its ironic since I always root for sasuke winning against juubito
But he's not beating the duo here

 

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Intangiblity only lets him evade Sasuke. Evading someone who isn't trying to fight you isn't going to make them stay and beat you. Sasuke just goes on to beat Obito, and hitting Kaguya is only because she already attacked and he phased right through it and dashed past her, in free fall. Unless you want to claim that Kakashi, in free fall, is some kind of speedster, which is factually incorrect as freefalling objects move at the same speed I believe.

Kakashi wasn't in free fall. His Susanoo was still active, solid and flying(notice that Sakura was maintained in the air inside it during the entire operation). He only phased through Kaguya's attack while jumping out his Susanoo and attacked Kaguya with his Kamui-Raikiri

OT: Team7 takes this, but only because of Naruto

 

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yeah and the duo wont just stand there and let sasuke do all this, without doing anything at all,
Kakashi can send his kamui shuriken and use his PS to still attack Sasuke,
this allows obito more than enough time to fire off the TBB,

What is "All this" Lmao. Please don't try and make cutting a tree after instantaneously teleporting seem like it takes so long. Its ridiculous.

He is not cutting it as easily as ur stating it out to be, as kakashi can serve as a very good diversion to fire off the TBB

No, he can't. Not when Sasuke can teleport straight to Obito.

I feel like I have to repeat myself here,
Kakashi can stall sasuke through his kamui shuriken as well as his kamui warps
and even if his PS gets overwhelmed, kakashi can just stay intangible
as this onslaught would allow obito to fire off the barrages of TBB

Or Sasuke teleports right to Obito, rendering this shit moot.

Kakashis reflexes are quite impressive, he is not getting blitzed unless hes within the short range of sasukes S/T

Based on what? Oh wait, nothing but invalid evidence.

Kakashi can set his intangibility on time if sasuke would resort to his shunshin seeing how his S/T range can be bypassed,

With no intel? No, it can't.

Sasuke may be able to evade kakashis kamui warps sure, but he is not evading kakashis PS shockwavees on foot due to their large AOE,

Susanoo tanks. He doesn't need to evade it on foot.

and Sasuke has also not shown to be able to use his S/T whilst hes in his PS

Obito hasn't been shown to use Rapid Fire Bijuu Dama. Only multiple Bijuu Dama.

Kakashi hasn't shown to use Long Range Kamui in Susanoo.

Get that shit logic out of here.

and without his PS he gets overwhelmed tthrough kakashis PS or juubitos attacks

He can put it back up, so I have no idea why you keep repeating this.

With the reasons stated above, it will
and with ur reasoning of sasuke attempting to blitz kakashi and obito through his S/T means that he wont even have his PS there, thus it will result in sasuke getting wrecked

He can put it back up, so no he won't get wrecked. Not to mention there is no evidence that would lead anyone to believe his Susanoo can't be warped along with him.

It is still amped up by rikudos chakra and its kamui shuriken alongside PS shockwaves still allow kakashi more than enough time to stall him,

Irrelevant since:

1. Half of Rikudo's power>>>>>>A portion Obito stole from Madara.

2. Kamui Shuriken have zero notable speed feats, so they get evaded with zero effort.

3. PS attacks from Kakashi are too weak to do shit to Sasuke's Susanoo.

4. Sasuke can teleport right to Obito.

not to mention that kakashis PS has shown to be just as mobile as sasuke,

Irrelevant when Sasuke can teleport.

and again,
he is NOT tearing through kakashi within seconds, thats not happening,
and all jubito needs is a few seconds and he can fire off the TBB, not to mention that the barrier would atleast prevent him from sasukes attacks for a short while till his TBB are set up and fired

He doesn't have a few seconds. He teleports right inside the barrier, right to the tree and chops it in half.

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unless you believe that obitos speed is slower than the PS slash,
therefore there is really no need for obito to tank the blade when he can evade it

Obito blocked Naruto and Sasuke's last attacks because he couldn't evade. Its as simple as that. Otherwise he would have dodged like he did a panel before. If the slower EMS Sasuke with a weaker Susanoo managed to strike so fast that Juubito had to block, the faster Rinnegan Sasuke with the better Susanoo strikes so fast that Obito can't dodge, but this time he gets cleaved in half if he tries to block.

So no, he isn't doing shit.

A mere beam, with no DC feats at all,

Still a Gudo Dama. And you still don't have evidence a Gudo Dama is going to destroy PS.

yet Obito still destroyed the kurama avatar and Sasukes susnaoo with utmost ease through a mere blunt force attack from his TSB, besides the TSB can still hold sasuke down long enough for the TBB to fire

1. Rikudo PS>>>>>>>Kurama Avatar and Senjutsu Susanoo. So don't ever try to use this as evidence it'll do anything to Sasuke.

2. Get feats for the bold. Cause feats show me that PS chops the Gudo Dama up as if they weren't there. Not to mention Obito being able to do as Sasuke teleports and cuts his tree is beyond laughable.

Im gna need proof on that,

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Kakashi is definitely able to stall sasuke long enough to allow juubito to fire off his TBB

He can stop Sasuke from teleporting? Cause that's the only way he'll stall him.

you really havent told much as to how sasuke takes him down before obito fires off his TBB,
you are just stating that Kakashis PS <<<< Sasukes

Wanna know why? Because HE ISN'T GOING TO TAKE HIM DOWN. Lmao. He'll go straight for Obito.

but that really doesnt matter since he still has his intangibility and his range for kamui is still much higher than sasuke and can coordinate his atttacks of susanoo through his kamui, and can also break apart a portion of sasukes susanoo through the shuriken

not to mention that his intangibility helps him stall sasuke quite well, even if PS gets overwhelmed,

Or Sasuke teleports right to Obito.

i clearly said ''execution speed'' meaning that once the TBB is fired, not counting the charge up time,
i am well aware that a PS slash is quicker than charging a TBB,
but i have clearly stated that kakashi helps obito charge up his TBB

Kakashi isn't helping him do shit to be honest. And execution speed is irrelevant as it'll never fire.

Entons still get sent to the kamui dimension, i dont see where the problem is about that,

Yeah, which counter the Shuriken. That is the point.

Intangibility lets him hold back sasuke without kakashi getting damaged,
Sasuke still has to deal with kakashi more or less, and with the latter being a PS user, he can stall sasuke long enough, annd even if his PS is destroyed, with the rikudos chakra, kakashi can still form it again, and fight sasuke therefore allowing obito to set his TBB up,

Kakashi being a PS user, isn't evidence that he can stall Sasuke. Who can teleport, and who can tear through his PS like butter. I guess EMS Madara can stall Sasuke now guys, why? Because he's a PS user...Lol

He teleports right to Obito and cuts his tree. Forget about any idea entertaining the ridiculous notion that he'll even bother fighting Kakashi, cause he won't. He teleports to the tree, finishes Obito off and then he takes care of Kakashi.

@Bold - No, Kakashi is clearly not free-falling

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and the side ways force that enabled him to move
he was in free fall, only afterwards once the jutsu was executed,
moreover raikiri already allows kakashi to increase his speed, so i dont see why ur trying to claim that he waas in free fall when he clearly executed the jutsu,
there is also the fact that kaguya can fly therefore it renders ur point moot seeing how kaguyas flying force enables her to resist the effects of gravity,

so the fact is that neither kakashi nor kaguya were in free fall,

Free falling is falling from the air without having something to accelerate you. Raikiri makes you faster when you are running toward the opponent. If you aren't running, then you don't get faster. Its that simple. The Jutsu doesn't output any force that forces him to move.

This feat is the equivalent of Sakura hitting Kaguya before she could do anything. Lmao. Clinging to it so badly.

And Kaguya not being in free fall is irrelevant, nor did I claim she was.

Kakashi isn't reacting to Sasuke's S/T.

Lol - Sasukes S/T jutsu clealrly has a range,

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Irrelevant. They won't be out of his range, and he can just GET in range.

he is not teleporting that easily, especially with kakashi using his PS to fight sasuke,

Unless Kakashi can freeze Sasuke's thought process. He isn't doing shit to stop him from teleporting.

and with sasuke teleporting without his susanoo means that kakashi can use shockwaves to attack sasuke effectively

Then he puts it up again and tanks Kakashi's attacks, or he keeps it on since you've failed to give proof on why Susanoo can't be teleported with the user.

Sasuke is not one shotting kakashi, thats what ive been tryiig to tell you,

Never said that he'd one shot Kakashi. THAT is what I've been trying to tell YOU. I've been saying that he warps right to Obito. THAT is what I'm trying to tell YOU. My god, its like I'm talking to a wall right now.

He does need to bother with kakashi,
hhe is a PS, S/T user with rikudo chakra, ffs,

If that is your argument, this debate will be over pretty damn quickly. His PS is inferior, and his S/T isn't going to stop Sasuke from getting to Obito. This shit isn't an argument. No argument you've provided leads me to believe that Kakashi will stop Sasuke dead in his tracks. This shit is the equivalent of saying that a rock would stop an incoming car, its nonsense.

Yes, all bijuudama neeed to be charged, but NOT all TBB have the same charge up time,

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what im saying is that obito doesnt need to charge his TBB as much as he did in canon, as they would still have the firepower to damage sasukes PS,

Obito has to call the tree, charge up the Bijuu Dama, and fire it. Sasuke not being able to instantaneously teleport and cut the tree before all these steps are completed is pure nonsense at its finest.

Sasuke can instantaneously teleport but with kakashi stalling him, as well as his attack themselves still not being instant, as well as the fact that juubito can maintain his distance, means that the TBB are fired

They don't need to be instant, because the charge of the tree is far from instant. Far from it.

Sasuke cannot teleport WITH his susanoo, he has never shown it, and that is different from obito using barrages of TBB, heck Obito is the juubi jin, every other jin such as naruto and killer bee have shown them
along with the fact that barrages of TBB are simmply smaller TBB that have fewer chakra within them, but are simply more in quantity,
there really isnt a need for Obito to show thiis feat either since he already fired off 4 TBB in canon, and its common sense that he can do it, just how any bijuu can fire off barrages

Yup, the double standard is strong with this one.

-Kakashi has never shown to use Kamui in Susanoo. By your logic he can't do it, even though nothing stops him from doing so. Which is funny since you claim he can do this, while at the same time saying Kakashi is going to use Kamui in Susanoo.

Minato and Naruto were already teleported within their own Avatars, by Tobirama. So there is nothing that prevents him from teleporting with it at all. When you can get real evidence for your claim, then we can talk.

I guess Obito can fire off a laser as well since the Juubi itself can do it. Oh wait, no feats nor is there anything implying he can do when we've already seen his form of Bijuu Dama. He's already used multiple Bijuu Dama, and we've seen how long they take to charge. Not interested in your belief of what Obito can do.

He cant teleport WITH his susanoo, but i am well aware that he can form it afterwards,
Lol what!
how are his TBB gettting cut down, thats nonsense,

Was obviously taking about the tree.

Lol what,

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and this is from a juuubi that isnt even complete
Sasuke is not evading an attack of this magnitude, thats nonsense
and kakashis PS is still amped up with rikudos chakra, meaning that it most likely has a higher AOE then

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unless you think that sasuke can cover 5 mountain worth of distance through his S/T which has not shown a range longer than even a few meters than no he is not evading them with ease

and with kakashi being able to send his kamui shuriken to his dimension and he can release them right at sasuke, and with their AOE

I was referring to your Shuriken, which is what YOU referred to, and the AoE of Kakashi's PS is irrelevant when it can't harm Sasuke's in the slightest.

Tree =/= Obito

Irrelevant.

Obito can also send the god tree to go after sasuke and attack him,
as this can allow him more than enough time, to fire off his TBB, unless you think that sasuke is beating the god tree and kakashi before the TBB are fired then Lol

Sasuke teleports away from Kakashi, cuts the God Tree and in half with one stroke and the second one from the second sword cuts Obito's tree...OR:

Sasuke teleports away from Kakashi, and straight to Obito and cuts down the tree. God Tree isn't going to matter when he can go straight for his target. Stop with this diversion BS, its getting pretty ridiculous.

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, so even if you claim that swappiing with objects increases his minimal range
the extent to which it increases from really isnt that big,

He was running (Not Shunshin) to the portal, and once it started to close, he swapped with the jacket because he couldn't make it. He wasn't running to get in range, that makes no sense when he already stated he can swap outside of his range.


and if hes in susanoo and attempting to get in range then kakashi can still use kamui shuriken to attack him [/QUOTE]

God Tree can stall him quite well,

Base Rikudo Naruto cuts in half with an attack much weaker than PS's slashes. It isn't stalling shit here.

his chakra arms and TSB dont need to be as strong as kaguyas to destroy his PS,

Yes, they do. Cause that was shown to be the bare minimum.

they simply allow obito to push sasuke back and preventing him from slsashing the tree before the TBB are fired

News flash. They can't. Kurama slapped them away, Sasuke cuts right through them. Gudo Dama couldn't even tank a Senpo Bijuu Dama without getting damaged. PS rapes it.

and Obito clearly did use his TSB on Sasuke thats just BS, hell a few pages later sasukes susanoo is completey destroyyed and hes on the ground,

What the hell are you talking about? I said that he couldn't evade, so he used them to block Sasuke, which is a fact I'm not concerned with, nor did I mention anything else.

i said mid diff

Mid/high diff=/=Mid diff.

God tree is clearly not fodder, it prevents him long enough for juubito to fire his attacks

Base Rikudo Naruto disagrees.

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Don't mention the God Tree in this debate, ever again. Sasuke cuts it in half with one swing, and another swing of his other sword cuts Obito's tree.

Juubis TBB no matter what the size are still damaging his susanoo,

Based on what? Lmao, oh wait. Nothing.

SO he cuts through kakashi, and eradicates the god tree before a mere charge up of TBB
please, No

Or he goes right for Obito, cuts the tree in half in the process along with Obito's tree. You keep clinging to this dumb idea that he'll stay back and fight Kakashi, even though that isn't necessary.

I dont see why bring that up when Obito would clearly be out of the range from sasuke and safe from his attacks

So, an Obito with zero intel on Sasuke's abilities is going to know his range limit? Are we even being serious at this point?

Kakashi wasn't in free fall. His Susanoo was still active, solid and flying(notice that Sakura was maintained in the air inside it during the entire operation). He only phased through Kaguya's attack while jumping out his Susanoo and attacked Kaguya with his Kamui-Raikiri

OT: Team7 takes this, but only because of Naruto

Well, that makes sense. I'll agree.

 

[Apêx1]

Dickriding much. When you clearly havnt read the argument

Lol its ironic since I always root for sasuke winning against juubito
But he's not beating the duo here

No dickriding, I read every post both of you made. You fixate things in the manga to make them more appropriate for your argument, or simply ignore things KG says because you either have no counters or need some reading comprehension 101 courses.

 

[Omar19992010]

Sasuke and Naruto alone solo Juubito with ease considering Naruto in his base form Blitzed Madara and almost killed him and Madara was already stated to be above Juubito. BM Minato is a non Factor and Kakashi gets slaughtered by the both of them.

 

[ARGUS]

KG ill reply to ur post in a while, im on my phone atm, and have been pretty busy

No dickriding, I read every post both of you made. You fixate things in the manga to make them more appropriate for your argument, or simply ignore things KG says because you either have no counters or need some reading comprehension 101 courses.

OK, then who the fk exactly are you???
thats right a dickrider, you urself provide no argument whatsoever, but just claim that I am wrong and then resort to INSULT me and bull shit over how i need reading comprehension courses, please just shut the fk up!

and then just because i disagree with ur uselesss opinion, you barge in, and try to claim that I ignore his statements when i have still quoted each and every statement that he has used.. furthermore this is the VS section, every argument and reasoning involves a scenario explaining how each character wins, thats how it works around here,

you are the clown here, and the one who never provides any explanation over his reasonings in any thread whatsoever
so do us a favor and quit this pathetic behaviour, to save everyones troubles, or just dont waste my time ever again,

 

[Kagustuchi]

B) Swap places with Obito (Which lets him exceed his range limits) and then cut the tree up.

Good post, but this is the only problem I see with it. If this was possible, then Sasuke would have switched places with Kakashi to attack Madara after he had stolen the former's eye.​

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[wael reda]

Something I have noticed ,kamui shrunken warping range is much bigger than the shrunken itself ,4 kamui shrunken warping range is clearly bigger than kakashi's PS ,I think sasuke will not be able to evade 4 kamui shrunken warping range with his s/t

 

[Tyrion Lannister]

Team 7 obviously...?

 

[A v i]

Kakashi is the only one that can cause problems to team 7.

OT:Team 7 wins this.

 

[naruto7861]

Team 7 win

 

[QdonEms]

Team 7, naruto or sasuke could solo. Kakashi throws Kamui shuriken at sasuke and he switches with juubito at the last second that takes care of obito. he blitz minato and then wrecks kakashi's susanoo with his own. Naruto can use 3-5 clones to handle minato, 50 clones to hold off juubito, and blitz kakashi when his ghost mode time runs out. Then he finishes juubito with a tailed beast rasenshuriken

 

[KidGamer65]

Good post, but this is the only problem I see with it. If this was possible, then Sasuke would have switched places with Kakashi to attack Madara after he had stolen the former's eye.​

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Thanks man.

Yeah, I don't get it either, but what Sasuke said about his ability noted that if he swaps with something, he can extend his range, but he didn't do it here.

And if that isn't true, that means he warped to Sakura and Obito while they were in his range, but then he wouldn't need to swap with the object, he'd just need to teleport.

 

[King Of Pop]

Thanks man.

Yeah, I don't get it either, but what Sasuke said about his ability noted that if he swaps with something, he can extend his range, but he didn't do it here.

And if that isn't true, that means he warped to Sakura and Obito while they were in his range, but then he wouldn't need to swap with the object, he'd just need to teleport.

remember his jutsu has a cool down time after certain no of uses, he used it about 3 times in that madara battle and then when madara kamuis away his eye shuts down in the next chapter so it could be that his eye was recharging and he was unable to use it during that interval. if you notice he chased madara to were he was close so he was in range but he still didnt use his s/t jutsu to get closer to madara and strike, used footspeed all through so the eye could have been on cooldown. lol its speculation but just felt i should share it.

 

[Inert Brian]

Team 7 low, maybe med diff.

 

[Kagustuchi]

Thanks man.

Yeah, I don't get it either, but what Sasuke said about his ability noted that if he swaps with something, he can extend his range, but he didn't do it here.

And if that isn't true, that means he warped to Sakura and Obito while they were in his range, but then he wouldn't need to swap with the object, he'd just need to teleport.

Ahh, I didn't recall him saying that.​

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[KidGamer65]

Ahh, I didn't recall him saying that.​

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It wasn't clear cut, but

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He said he can shift himself between spaces, though only over a finite distance, but he made it here thanks to that (Sakura's jacket) which implies he was out of range (hence him running), then when he saw the jacket, he was able to swap. At least that's how I interpreted it.

remember his jutsu has a cool down time after certain no of uses, he used it about 3 times in that madara battle and then when madara kamuis away his eye shuts down in the next chapter so it could be that his eye was recharging and he was unable to use it during that interval. if you notice he chased madara to were he was close so he was in range but he still didnt use his s/t jutsu to get closer to madara and strike, used footspeed all through so the eye could have been on cooldown. lol its speculation but just felt i should share it.

Lmao, its cool bro. Though Sasuke was in that dimension for quite a while, so I don't think that his eye was on cooldown.