Team Hiruzen vs EMS Madara

Tazzilla88

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Tsunade was at a very low chakra and so as Sakura, and because of their low chakra they couldn't summon her full size. Deal with it.
And where did you pull that from. Sakura has a fudging Chakra cloak around her, a fudging chakra cloak.... how can she possibly be low on chakra when she has a fudging kyuubi chakra cloak around her? How can either of them be close to low in chakra when they both have relatively full seals. You're just spouting BS unsupported from the manga

Bunta size only equals to Yang kyuubi.
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Except the comparison to Bunta happened before this panel. Wayy before this panel. That Kurama is smaller than Bunta
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This doesn't prove or support any claim you made it is literally a red herring. GTFOH with that awful fallacy

Yin Yang kyuubi is bigger than Bunta and full sized Katsuya. Manga fact. Deal with it.
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Don't argue Tazilla. You're better than such; arguing with a troll makes this thread seem of mailicious intent. I shall put input. Debate with Strict as he is bringing up legitimate points.

 

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Gamabunta is roughly the same size as FULL Kurama. Look at the image I posted. LOOK AT IT. Katsuyu as summoned by Tsunade in part 1 > Gamabunta.

Do you see Gmakens size here?

Do you see Gamakens size here?

Thoughts?

Compare the size of Gedo Mazo's hand with Nagato.

Now compare the size of Gedo Mazo's hand with a human again..


There is a scan proving that Gamabunta has roughly the size of 100% Kyuubi (not counting the tails).
There is a scan proving Gamabunta has a size equal to a Bijuu.
There is a scan proving that the Yang Chakra of Kyuubi, which should be a few times smaller than the 100% Kyuubi, has Bijuu size as well.
There is a scan proving that Gamakens size is equal to Gamabunta, who is in return as big as the 100% Kyuubi.



Does Gamaken look like 100% Kyuubi..?

There are no standardized dimensions in Naruto guys. Even the scans themselves contradict each other.
 

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Well. The question remains what Katsuyu will do. One fast swing of the PS's sword reaches distant mountain ranges instantly and slices them. A power that according to Madara is able to break all creation.

The range of the sword slash on the other hand is larger than the size of Katsuyu. Seeing how Madara's Susanoo sliced all mountains in a 360 degree in a range larger than Katsuyu's body, why wouldn't the perfect Susanoo give Katsuyu a fatal blow? Even if she splits, she becomes even more useless. She could heal team Hiruzen, but one slash turns them to nothing. Gamabunta's physical feature equaled the one tail. The PS is more than two times bigger, faster, more agile and stronger.

It appears logical that Katsuyu won't even make a proper move before the PS will go berserk. Even less at 100% of her size and that shape. Team Hiruzen itself is basically nothing, this would be battle of Summons against the PS.

You didn't even restrict Kyuubi. Kyuubi with the Susanoo armor is overkill.

I purposely did not restrict the Kyuubi. But it also stands to reason with 4 bijuu sized summon and a summon 20 times the size of a bijuu, Kurama doesn't pose the biggest threat in this situation. Thanks to Bee and Naruto we know that bijuus can actually be physically harmed. Bee has lost both a horn and a tooth and has not regrown either. And Naruto was worried about the other bijuus being killed.

Also Strict, do you suggest he will start testing them with PS immediately. It only seems right given his ego that he gradually move to his strongest move.
Furthermore, due to Katsuyu's ability to divide and liquefy neither smashy or cutting techniques will be effective against her. So what could Perfect Susanoo do that could possibly be a fatal blow to Katsuyu?
Nextly, let's assume that PS is twice the size of a bijuu as you proposed. A combination of these snakes
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could leave PS in this state.
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Meanwhile the 3 great toads hold off the Kyuubi, which doesn't seem improbable as Gamabunta alone was able to hold him down for a short while.
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Jiraiya handily assists them by using Dark Swamp in Sage Mode as the Sage toads are already there collecting chakra for him. A Sage Mode Dark Swamp would surely be large enough to sink even the Kyuubi.
In the meantime Hiruzen, Enma, most of Katsuyu and Orochimaru would be attacking a restricted PS. With Tsunade serving the role as healer. Once Kurama is taken care of I imagine a combination of attacks from all the Summons (Sage Art Goemon+ Toad Oil Flame Bullet +Plus Wind Release Great Breakthrough while Tsunade serves as a battery for Hiruzens Katon and Orochimaru's Wind release. And Giant Katsuyu uses Giant acid to do some serious damage to the susanoo. Then the toads slice and beat the melting structure.) Not to mention the elder toads can prep Demonic Illusion Frog Chant at any point they please immobilizing Madara.
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And Combining Susanoo and the Kyuubi in this instance wouldn't work in Madara's favor because instead of their fire power being divided it is all centered at one place.
Katsuyu can't tank any physical attack. You can't compare the impact the perfect Susanoo's sword does with the impact of Shinra Tensei, which wasn't even angled to Katsuyu's Body. Take a slug and throw her against a wall. You see the slug survived that impact without visible damage. Take a knife and you will still bisect her. Despite Katsuyu is able to split herself, it is probably a technique which has to be performed, like when Konan splits herself into paper but yet isn't immune to physical attacks.

Another thing I'm wondering about is, whether the bigger size of Katsuyu is connected to the loss of mobility. At least the slug we saw looked more immobile due to her mass and shape.
Katsuyu states she can handle being cut apart just fine thus we have no reason to believe cutting attacks would be effective.
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Normal slugs can't divide and reform the way she can. Nor can normal slugs liquefy. Which puts me to my next answer, the Katsuyu in the latest chapter seemed less mobile I believe because she was expected to liquefy herself rather than move about.
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Madara and PS cloaked Kyuubi fire a few of and call it a night.
 

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What is this? Madara stomps no difficulty
 
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