Team cloud vs Minato DSM Kabuto & Itachi Tobirama

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Location - SA vs Juubi
Distance - 100m
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Conditions - Itachi is healthy, Minato has sage mode but is alive, Team cloud has Killerbee Ei 3rd raikage (With darui black lighting feats) Gin & Kinkaku both with 6 tails cloaks but they can controll it fine.
Restrictions - ET,Sound genjutsu,
 

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Team 2 should win with Itachi and Kabuto alone. Minato and Tobirama aren't required.
Edit: Actually, Minato could be useful, though Tobirama isn't needed.
 

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Team 2 should win with Itachi and Kabuto alone. Minato and Tobirama aren't required.
Edit: Actually, Minato could be useful, though Tobirama isn't needed.

Itachi would be pressured by Gin & Kinkaku alone Killerbee annihilates Kabuto those 2 alone are non factors
 

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Itachi would be pressured by Gin & Kinkaku alone Killerbee annihilates Kabuto those 2 alone are non factors

But Itachi can defeat Bee with Tsukiyomi whereas Kabuto takes on the rest. Minato can tag both of his teammates and act as a support, where he S/T barriers TBB's and teleports the spiritual weapons away. Manda 2 shits on the Raikage's and both brothers, Kabuto can use his Oro body to bypass Raikage's with gaseous poison, along with his chakra scalpel which attacks internally, meaning durability is irrelevant. Minato's ability to pop up at any time is also a large factor.
 

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Team 2 wins this mid diff at most
 

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But Itachi can defeat Bee with Tsukiyomi whereas Kabuto takes on the rest. Minato can tag both of his teammates and act as a support, where he S/T barriers TBB's and teleports the spiritual weapons away. Manda 2 shits on the Raikage's and both brothers, Kabuto can use his Oro body to bypass Raikage's with gaseous poison, along with his chakra scalpel which attacks internally, meaning durability is irrelevant. Minato's ability to pop up at any time is also a large factor.

The info is full Killerbee isnt falling for Tsukuyomi Bijuu dama barrage or blast bypass st barriers 1 its to many bijuu damas coming at him at once also he will have no outside kunai to let them out at so they'll explode in his face. 2 st barrier is useless against blast based attacks. Kinkaku or Gin handles Itachi shrouds deam amaterasu useless totsuka is a varient of kusanagi blade witch could not pierce a 4 tailed shroud let alone a 6 tails. Chakra arms underground bypass susanoo if he stays in a ribcage small tbbs eradicates him. Manda 2 may be a problem but the matchup could be set up like

Killerbee vs Kabuto

Gin & Kin vs Itachi

Raikages vs FTG duo witch gives them an easy win if you ask me even as a team match cloud wins high diff only because of Manda though.
 

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Location - SA vs Juubi
Distance - 100m
Info - full both sides
Conditions - Itachi is healthy, Minato has sage mode but is alive, Team cloud has Killerbee Ei 3rd raikage (With darui black lighting feats) Gin & Kinkaku both with 6 tails cloaks but they can controll it fine.
Restrictions - ET,Sound genjutsu,

Does Kingin have all V2 feats as well?
 

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The info is full Killerbee isnt falling for Tsukuyomi Bijuu dama barrage or blast bypass st barriers 1 its to many bijuu damas coming at him at once also he will have no outside kunai to let them out at so they'll explode in his face. 2 st barrier is useless against blast based attacks. Kinkaku or Gin handles Itachi shrouds deam amaterasu useless totsuka is a varient of kusanagi blade witch could not pierce a 4 tailed shroud let alone a 6 tails. Chakra arms underground bypass susanoo if he stays in a ribcage small tbbs eradicates him. Manda 2 may be a problem but the matchup could be set up like

Killerbee vs Kabuto

Gin & Kin vs Itachi

Raikages vs FTG duo witch gives them an easy win if you ask me even as a team match cloud wins high diff only because of Manda though.

Bee has already been put into genjutsu twice despite knowledge on Uchiha genjutsu since the first time. Though S/T barrier would be useless against TBB barrage, you are right. I still don't see why Minato can't put FTG kunai's in a 360 degree around Bee and teleport to the opposite direction of his TBB barrage every time. Itachi doesn't need to handle Kin and Gin, Manda 2 does it easily by squashing them. Kabuto destroys both Kage's himself with Oro's poison, chakra scalpel, his smaller snake variants and his DNA samples. Orochimaru has seen chakra arms from underground without sharingan, Sasuke saw clay under ground, thus Itachi sees chakra arms underground and dodges.

But it could be set rather easily like this;
Bee vs Itachi
Kin and Gin vs Manda 2, along with help from Minato and possibly Itachi's bunshin to genjutsu them.
Kabuto vs 3rd and 4th.
This is easily accomplished with Minato's Hirashin, allowing them to swap places if their opponents ever changed.
 

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Does Kingin have all V2 feats as well?

Obviously.

Bee has already been put into genjutsu twice despite knowledge on Uchiha genjutsu since the first time.

Killerbee was reckless still knowing that gyuki could break him out of a genjutsu. This time he has full intel meaning he know that is itachi's main style of fighting also if he notices Itachi has his MS on he definitely going to be carefull when fighting him.

Though S/T barrier would be useless against TBB barrage, you are right. I still don't see why Minato can't put FTG kunai's in a 360 degree around Bee and teleport to the opposite direction of his TBB barrage every time.

This is a team fight Killerbee team would not allow Minato set kunai around bee like that furthermore ink clones simply pluck the kunai out of the ground when they're set around bee or whirlwind blows the kunai under tons of debri either way bee is getting rid of the kunai. Furthermore minato is doing all this before a bijuu dama is fired.

Itachi doesn't need to handle Kin and Gin, Manda 2 does it easily by squashing them. Kabuto destroys both Kage's himself with Oro's poison, chakra scalpel, his smaller snake variants and his DNA samples. Orochimaru has seen chakra arms from underground without sharingan, Sasuke saw clay under ground, thus Itachi sees chakra arms underground and dodges.

Manda 2 isnt a factor it get blasted away by killerbee with no sweat also Manda 2 is strong but it isnt tanking blast on this level if they're fired multiple times or inside of Manda's 2 mouth also the heat factor that those cloaks can produce is alot aswell. Kabuto gets swatted by himself they have full intel plus ligthing shrouds poison wont even breach them chakra scalpel is tanked easy smaller snakes varients are torn apart by lighting panthers or just smashed. Anything bar sound genjutsu or white rage isnt slowing them down against kabuto his liquidfication is easily countered due to the ration all over they're bodies. it will be hard to dodge in a legless susanoo is all im saying.

But it could be set rather easily like this;
Bee vs Itachi
Kin and Gin vs Manda 2, along with help from Minato and possibly Itachi's bunshin to genjutsu them.
Kabuto vs 3rd and 4th.
This is easily accomplished with Minato's Hirashin, allowing them to swap places if their opponents ever changed.

why arnt you factoring tobirama

Killerbee with info vs Itachi & Tobirama = Killerbee wins high diff

Kin & Gin vs Manda 2 = they would eventually win since Manda cannot put them down

3rd raikage (With darui lighting feats) & Ei > Kabuto & Minato
 

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Any ninja that speaks on the non clouds team is sealed if they respond. With that being said it can go either way but leaning towards the non cloud team.
 

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Itachi puts most of them in a Genjutsu and proceeds to seal them with Totsuka. The two brothers are easily going to be sealed with Totsuka - a superior soul weapon to the sealing barrels they were using.
 

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Killerbee was reckless still knowing that gyuki could break him out of a genjutsu. This time he has full intel meaning he know that is itachi's main style of fighting also if he notices Itachi has his MS on he definitely going to be carefull when fighting him.

Matters not, he looked into Uchiha eyes several times meaning he does it again. Say he won't because last time he was reckless all you will, it won't matter is it is conjecture.

This is a team fight Killerbee team would not allow Minato set kunai around bee like that furthermore ink clones simply pluck the kunai out of the ground when they're set around bee or whirlwind blows the kunai under tons of debri either way bee is getting rid of the kunai. Furthermore minato is doing all this before a bijuu dama is fired.

He's done it before, he'll do it again. Ink clones are nigh featless, Minato blitzes them all every time they touch a kunai. Whirlwind just sends the Kunais further, meaning there's more room to escape his TBB's for team 2. Minato can choose to teleport the kunai's to him whenever he chooses as well, so clones go to where the kunai's areand Hirahsin the kunai back to themselves, thus it's no longer under debris. No, he isn't. Minato throws kunai's in the beginning of a fight, Bee can't go into BM and fire TBB's so quickly, not a chance.

Manda 2 isnt a factor it get blasted away by killerbee with no sweat also Manda 2 is strong but it isnt tanking blast on this level if they're fired multiple times or inside of Manda's 2 mouth also the heat factor that those cloaks can produce is alot aswell. Kabuto gets swatted by himself they have full intel plus ligthing shrouds poison wont even breach them chakra scalpel is tanked easy smaller snakes varients are torn apart by lighting panthers or just smashed. Anything bar sound genjutsu or white rage isnt slowing them down against kabuto his liquidfication is easily countered due to the ration all over they're bodies. it will be hard to dodge in a legless susanoo is all im saying.

How does it get blasted away? It was as long as turtle island (almost) when Hachibi was sitting there like a midget bro, how does he blast it away? Multiple TBB could do it, but that leaves Hachibi open to Totsuka stab, so he probably won't try it. And no, that blast radius was tanked by Deva, you can see his clothes well and the next page you see Deva's cloths ****ed up, that explosion isn't going to kill someone who has far larger durability, to the extent where he was still alive for a few seconds after c0. What? Gaseous poison is inhaled and exhaled. Are you telling me with lightning shroud they stop breathing? I don't think so, they breathe perfectly fine. Neji's internal attacks breached Naruto's BM cloak, meaning internal attacks work on opponents no matter what their durability is, so chakra scalpel works as well. Kabuto's small snakes Susano arrow from Sasuke and grabbed Sasuke's Kusanagi sword with their mouth from point blank, how will anyone hit them with a jutsu? Kabuto doesn't need to liquefy since he has full intel, he uses Oro's white snake powers, who was cut in half and reconnected [ ]. He has SM Durability. He uses his snakes to guard from most jutsu like Sasuke did against Itachi, but these snakes have SM durability. He uses Karin's healing to heal from almost all attacks. He uses his own Yin healing to heal from most attacks when enhanced by SM. He chooses Kimi's bones which are only being cut by the third Raikage. He uses Oral rebirth to heal from most attacks. I can go on and on forever. But he can use his Ribcage to dodge easily, which doesn't impair speed at all nor has it ever been implied to.

why arnt you factoring tobirama

Killerbee with info vs Itachi & Tobirama = Killerbee wins high diff

Kin & Gin vs Manda 2 = they would eventually win since Manda cannot put them down

3rd raikage (With darui lighting feats) & Ei > Kabuto & Minato

No, Itachi easily one shots with Tsukiyomi, if he has Tobirama he can do it extremely easily, Tobirama just teleports Itachi so that they are directly in front of Hachibi's eyes and he's done for. He can cut off all his tails with Suidanha. This is easily replicated however, with Minato's Kage Bunshin. Itachi uses Crow clones which two sharingan users couldn't notice to date (Kakashi and Sasuke), so Bee won't notice either.

Manda 2 kills them, their v2's run out long before he tires out. Manda 2's speed is enormous as well, he crossed Turtle island at extreme speed. He can go underground and pop out anywhere under them to eat them since he is a snake, and all snakes have sensory abilities. Kabuto also can choose to manipulate his movements or speak to him telepathically to help. They have 0 chance of escaping something as large as his mouth coming at them last second notice. Once they're there, Kabuto reverse summons Manda.

Not a chance bro. Rasengan shits on Ay, Kabuto destroys both Raikage's alone if he wants to, but with Minato its a stomp. Not to mention Minato can be in several separate fights at once by marking his teammates, you can't categorise him into a single fight, especially with clones. Kabuto has full intel and Minato's clone has full intel. Guess what, he has knowledge of Raikage's scar, so he touches the Sandaime Raikage (since he was able to touch Ay easily) and then the next time 3rd attempts to blitz Minato, he gets a Hell stab into the heart. Ay is nothing, he's easily demolished in this fight, his liger bomb is counter with hiding like a mole, overpowers him with SM strength, or oral rebirth all his normal attacks are easily dodged or tanked, Kabuto can use his chakra scalpel to attack internally and have a greater range [ ] while making it much deadlier with machine gun[ ].
 

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Team Cloud should win mid difficulty.

Gold and Silver brothers defeat Tobirama like they did before. Killer Bee overpowers Minato and Kabuto on his own, and defeats them by multiple TBB. Ay and 3rd Raikage defeat Itachi with their combo attacks.​
 

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Team Cloud should win mid difficulty.

Gold and Silver brothers defeat Tobirama like they did before. Killer Bee overpowers Minato and Kabuto on his own, and defeats them by multiple TBB. Ay and 3rd Raikage defeat Itachi with their combo attacks.​

Yes, split the match-ups when Hirashi users have far greater battlefield utility. So if you factor in Tobirama, it becomes more like Tobirama Kage Bunshin, Minato's Kage Bunshin and Itachi's all across the battlefield serving as great utilities. Minato and Tobirama can utilise destructive or penetrative attacks, along with the massive Hirashin factor which can save the full team from a TBB. Itachi's Crow Clone which can be used as a means of genjutsu. And no they don't, they both get crow Genjutsu'd and neither has the ability to counter Itachi's genjutsu. Itachi can move during his Genjutsu like he did on Orochimaru, and their shrouds would both go away, so both are vulnerable to Kabuto's attacks ie White Snake Poison, Kidomaru's webs, Susano attacks and Chakra scalpel.
 

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Give Minato Kurama Then He'll Go Solo Mode & Rapes Team Cloud Horribly...
 
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Well Team 1 has the strongest shinobi out of the match up.. Tobirama.

Team 2 has a jinchuriki..

Team 1 possesses alot more jutsu and etc allowing for combos. And also possess more battle intelligent people.
 
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