Team 7 vs The finale 3. (Battle of the strongest)

[RustledJimmies]

^Or Sasuke puts him inside of a Chibaku Tensei after Madara's weakened enough, if he is indeed immortal, that is.

 

[KidGamer65]

^Or Sasuke puts him inside of a Chibaku Tensei after Madara's weakened enough, if he is indeed immortal, that is.

He'd regenerate and break out.

 

[V h o]

Sakura is non factor here.

Team 7 might be able to pull off a win. Just because Naruto and Kakashi can hold off Kaguya for a little while till Sasuke comes.

To be honest they still needed Sakura for both Naruto and Sasuke could touch her. lel she still avoided them even though Kakashi attacked her prior.

 

[UzumakiWade]

The only person who Team 7 could take down is Juubito, possibly Kaguya if Kakashi and Sakura can distract 3 eye madara which is highly unlikely. so yeah, Team Kaguya loses a member but team 7 gets fodderized.

 

[Blunt]

Kakashi can follow him, so that isn't going to work. Not to mention Kamui has been shown to be able to warp Kaguya's portals away.

Except in this scenario, Kaguya has just warped them, and she will instantly open a portal, Obito will be gone near instantly. Not to mention Madara can pressure Kakashi and team 7 temporarily via Limbo and CT, completely negating the whole Kamui part point. Kaguya also can shoot Ash Bones to pressure, if you honestly believe Obito can't make it in the portal in time, that is absolutely absurd.

Not happening for the reasons stated above, and lol, Obito stands no chance against Kakashi. He isn't stalemating him. Even if this happened, it gets negated by the Gudo Dama and Team 7 is safe, or Kakashi turns everyone intangible and they are safe.

In what scenario has Obito made over 3 people intangible at once, last time I checked, he's only capable of making a single object and himself intangible simultaneously, anymore is not happening. Goudama are protecting the entirety of team 7 from precharged Juubidama? How is Goudama spreading far enough to do this that quickly?

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He stated that Madara was trying to get a power close to his, and his mother's. Not that Madara was already on his level. Don't know why you'd believe that One Eyed Madara was on his level anyway when he had trouble with Gai, and then had trouble with SM Rikudo Naruto, then he had to flee from Naruto and Sasuke after getting half of Hagoromo's power each, and they didn't even go all out.

Madara isn't on Hagoromo's level. Never has been never will be.

I have a contending scan,

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This was prior to Shinju and his second Rinnegan, it'd be illogical to say Madara wasn't at Hagaromo's level. He never had trouble with Gai, he would of died had Kakashi not warped a piece of Goudama and Minato hadn't teleported with three more, not to mention Limbo or PS wasn't even used once.

 

[KidGamer65]

Except in this scenario, Kaguya has just warped them, and she will instantly open a portal, Obito will be gone near instantly. Not to mention Madara can pressure Kakashi and team 7 temporarily via Limbo and CT, completely negating the whole Kamui part point. Kaguya also can shoot Ash Bones to pressure, if you honestly believe Obito can't make it in the portal in time, that is absolutely absurd.

Uh, Kaguya's portals don't open instantly nor do they transport objects instantly, nor will changing the battlefield stop Kakashi from warping when the people are unaffected, only the landscape is. So Kamui warps away her portal before Obito gets in or before he's completely entered it.

Naruto's clones handle Limbo like they did in canon, and he makes a clone to use the Kurama Avatar and has it nuke the CT. If that won't cut it, he makes another clone and they both nuke CT, which will cut it. While Sasuke does whatever he needs to do.

Ash Bones to pressure who? Kakashi? He phases right through them and keeps warping the portal. Or a clone from Naruto meatshields for him.

What's absurd is you thinking Obito will enter the portal before Double Kamui enhanced by Rikudo's Chakra warps it away, even though Ash Bones that were stated

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couldn't

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The moment that portal is formed, Kakashi either:

A) Follows him.

B) Warps it away.

In what scenario has Obito made over 3 people intangible at once, last time I checked, he's only capable of making a single object and himself intangible simultaneously, anymore is not happening. Goudama are protecting the entirety of team 7 from precharged Juubidama? How is Goudama spreading far enough to do this that quickly?

He can make whatever he is touching intangible. I have no reason to believe that he can't do it to more than one person, nothing implied that 1 was his limit. Regardless, they can all touch him and they can all warp to the Kamui Dimension instead and come back. Either way, Juubi Dama is evaded.

Spreading far enough? Gudo Dama can stretch to be the size the Kurama Avatar, that's how it stretches to fit 4 humans. Nor is speed and issue.

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This was prior to Shinju and his second Rinnegan, it'd be illogical to say Madara wasn't at Hagaromo's level. He never had trouble with Gai, he would of died had Kakashi not warped a piece of Goudama and Minato hadn't teleported with three more, not to mention Limbo or PS wasn't even used once.

Really now? Gai was smacking him around with Evening Elephant, and no, he wouldn't have died, he just wouldn't have gotten through Madara's shield. PS can't be used with one eye, as you need both Sharingan to bring out their true potential, as stated by Madara in Ch 602..I'll give you Limbo though.

Still doesn't change the fact that Madara had trouble with SM Rikudo Naruto.

If that is a *********** scan, then I refer you to manga evidence that shows two halves of Hagoromo's power shitting on Madara, who is supposedly on Hagoromo's level....not to mention they didnt' even use their full power. Mangapanda's translation obviously trumps in this case. Can't be on Hagoromo's level when 2 people have half his power beat you without going all out.

Unless you have VIZ supporting you.

 

[Blunt]

Uh, Kaguya's portals don't open instantly nor do they transport objects instantly, nor will changing the battlefield stop Kakashi from warping when the people are unaffected, only the landscape is. So Kamui warps away her portal before Obito gets in or before he's completely entered it.

This entire paragraph is moot when Madara can simply block Kakashi's LoS with a single Goudama, Obito will get through that portal, it's not that hard to believe.

Naruto's clones handle Limbo like they did in canon, and he makes a clone to use the Kurama Avatar and has it nuke the CT. If that won't cut it, he makes another clone and they both nuke CT, which will cut it. While Sasuke does whatever he needs to do

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Sure, he nukes the CT, but how exactly are simple Bijuudama going to get rid of these rocks, Madara implied that little effort was put into his CT, what is stopping him from creating more or one huge one? BDFRS is needed, meaning he has to wait for his Goudama to reform. Madara's CT destroyed the entire mist country, and he considered them "raindrops".

Ash Bones to pressure who? Kakashi? He phases right through them and keeps warping the portal. Or a clone from Naruto meatshields for him.

Already addressed why Kakashi isn't warping the portal, his LoS gets blocked by a few Goudama.

What's absurd is you thinking Obito will enter the portal before Double Kamui enhanced by Rikudo's Chakra warps it away, even though Ash Bones that were stated

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couldn't

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The moment that portal is formed, Kakashi either:

A) Follows him.

B) Warps it away.

A) Obito attempted multiple times to find Sasuke, the case won't change in Kakashi's favor, he has a 1/6 chance in getting to Obito.

B) Addressed

He can make whatever he is touching intangible. I have no reason to believe that he can't do it to more than one person, nothing implied that 1 was his limit. Regardless, they can all touch him and they can all warp to the Kamui Dimension instead and come back. Either way, Juubi Dama is evaded.

So in your scenario, Kakashi, Sasuke and Naruto are all in one very close area? Kakashi isn't "touching" two other people in the time it takes those Juubidama to explode, and even if he did, Obito can negate this via his own Kamui, and even warp a Juubidama into the dimension. That or Kaguya busts open the Goudama with a chakra arm and Ash bones, as well as PS sized Yasaka Magatama from Madara.

Asura Path, PS, Ash bones and chakra arms and so on, so many different ways thoae Goudama get busted, let's be real here.

Spreading far enough? Gudo Dama can stretch to be the size the Kurama Avatar, that's how it stretches to fit 4 humans. Nor is speed and issue.

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You didn't get my point, unless they are close to each other, which is unlikely, Goudama has to travel and still spread over them entirely, one small gape in the Goudama and it's over.

Really now? Gai was smacking him around with Evening Elephant, and no, he wouldn't have died, he just wouldn't have gotten through Madara's shield. PS can't be used with one eye, as you need both Sharingan to bring out their true potential, as stated by Madara in Ch 602..I'll give you Limbo though.

Here you had me thinking the same thing a while ago, but it's irrelevant if he has his second eye, considering he has used Susano'o blind, and the power itself stems from the brain, not the eyes, means he can use PS.

Still doesn't change the fact that Madara had trouble with SM Rikudo Naruto.

And? He still survived the blast pretty easily and was even regenerating and moving in the next moment. Once again, nothing was used at all besides a Limbo. He was on the ground, wqs unaware of his new found power and underestimated Naruto, he is aware now, he won't try to grab any Goudama's and get knocked back, he will evade the YRS..

If that is a *********** scan, then I refer you to manga evidence that shows two halves of Hagoromo's power shitting on Madara, who is supposedly on Hagoromo's level....not to mention they didnt' even use their full power. Mangapanda's translation obviously trumps in this case. Can't be on Hagoromo's level when 2 people have half his power beat you without going all out.

Unless you have VIZ supporting you.

Viz states "getting close to me"

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Therefore, he undoubtedly reached his level with a Second Rinnegan (which contains chakra in itself, stated by Obito, which most likely means Rinnegan literally is consistent of Hagaromo's chakra), and the Shinju.

Not to mention Madara can literally use power from IT, as stated in canon.

 

[KidGamer65]

This entire paragraph is moot when Madara can simply block Kakashi's LoS with a single Goudama, Obito will get through that portal, it's not that hard to believe.

Gudo Dama moved slower than Double Kamui warps, and that was pre Rikudo Chakra. So no, LoS won't be blocked, especially when he needs to use it for someone else and not himself, since the Gudo Dama are already on his person, it makes it easier to block.
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Sure, he nukes the CT, but how exactly are simple Bijuudama going to get rid of these rocks, Madara implied that little effort was put into his CT, what is stopping him from creating more or one huge one?

Simple Bijuu Dama? One Standard Bijuu Dama

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Naruto still has Continuous Bijuu Dama and Flash Bijuu Dama, which are much larger. And he has clones. So no, BDFRS isn't needed when he can produce explosions much much larger than what BDFRS did in canon.

BDFRS is needed, meaning he has to wait for his Goudama to reform. Madara's CT destroyed the entire mist country, and he considered them "raindrops".

They aren't needed at all.

Already addressed why Kakashi isn't warping the portal, his LoS gets blocked by a few Goudama.

Read above.

A) Obito attempted multiple times to find Sasuke, the case won't change in Kakashi's favor, he has a 1/6 chance in getting to Obito.

Ok.

So in your scenario, Kakashi, Sasuke and Naruto are all in one very close area? Kakashi isn't "touching" two other people in the time it takes those Juubidama to explode, and even if he did, Obito can negate this via his own Kamui, and even warp a Juubidama into the dimension.

Or they simply get in range with Sasuke's S/T.

I have no reason to believe he can't. Juubidama have to actually fire and explode. Touching people who are already close to him isn't impossible.

You didn't get my point, unless they are close to each other, which is unlikely, Goudama has to travel and still spread over them entirely, one small gape in the Goudama and it's over.

Read above.

Here you had me thinking the same thing a while ago, but it's irrelevant if he has his second eye, considering he has used Susano'o blind, and the power itself stems from the brain, not the eyes, means he can use PS.

Nope. PS is the full power, without both eyes there is no full power. That simple. Him being able to use lower versions of Susanoo is irrelevant.

And? He still survived the blast pretty easily and was even regenerating and moving in the next moment. Once again, nothing was used at all besides a Limbo.

The point is he had trouble. Thus he's not on Hagoromo's level w/ one eye. That simple.

Viz states "getting close to me"

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Therefore, he undoubtedly reached his level with a Second Rinnegan (which contains chakra in itself, stated by Obito, which most likely means Rinnegan literally is consistent of Hagaromo's chakra), and the Shinju.

Getting close to=/=Is close to. So in reality, this only proves that he's close to Hagoromo's level once he gets his other eye back, not that he's on par with him once getting it back.

Not to mention Madara can literally use power from IT, as stated in canon.

Irrelevant here since he won't catch anyone in IT, nor is it in play for this scenario.

 

[Exaar]

I forgot about this though. Not sure how they are going to defeat Kaguya and Madara. I guess they could seal Kaguya and then defeat Madara and put him in the Kamui Dimension as a faux sealing.

I can't see this happening though.

Especially with sakura there. Naruto will lose his focus to protect her.

Sasuke took the Bijuu's Chakra and put them inside Susanoo just how someone would put the Bijuu inside the Gedo Mazo. Madara can't replicate this as the Bijuu are inside his body already. Removing them means he loses his Jin powers and dies. So his PS would only be enhanced by Rikudo Senjutsu Chakra, nothing else. So it wouldn't even be that far off from Sasuke's PS pre Bijuu. Post Bijuu would obliterate it.

I meant he can replicate it in terms of Using the Juubi's chakra to Fuel/Power up his PS.

Since the 9 Bijuu are fragments of the Juubi's chakra, Madara actually having access to the juubi balances out sasuke having access to the 9 Bijuu.

 

[Blunt]

Gudo Dama moved slower than Double Kamui warps, and that was pre Rikudo Chakra. So no, LoS won't be blocked, especially when he needs to use it for someone else and not himself, since the Gudo Dama are already on his person, it makes it easier to block.

Kaguya, Madara and Obito will be within a few feet of each other, a Goudama is capable of blocking LoS easily, Obito can leave behind a Goudama as well, furthermore blocking LoS. Not to mention Kaguya and Madara themselves can block the sight.
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Simple Bijuu Dama? One Standard Bijuu Dama

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Naruto still has Continuous Bijuu Dama and Flash Bijuu Dama, which are much larger. And he has clones. So no, BDFRS isn't needed when he can produce explosions much much larger than what BDFRS did in canon.

Ok, but does that mean they will exert enough force to destroy thosr "raindrops"? BDFRS is so powerful because it holds the properties of Goudama and FRS as well. I already mentioned that Madara can simply make more, and or make a giant one.

Or they simply get in range with Sasuke's S/T.

Good point.

I have no reason to believe he can't. Juubidama have to actually fire and explode. Touching people who are already close to him isn't impossible

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Obito can negate it with his own Kamui, as well as shoot Bijuudama inside Kamui Dimension.

Nope. PS is the full power, without both eyes there is no full power. That simple. Him being able to use lower versions of Susanoo is irrelevant.

Ok.

The point is he had trouble. Thus he's not on Hagoromo's level w/ one eye. That simple.

Did I say he was? He was getting close, if you are implying the Shinju and his second Rinnegan didn't put him there, than I suggest we just agree to disagree, because it's painfully obvious from my pov.

Getting close to=/=Is close to. So in reality, this only proves that he's close to Hagoromo's level once he gets his other eye back, not that he's on par with him once getting it back.

No, this implies that he was already near his level before, getting his second Rinnegan and the Shinju would put him at his level.


And yeah, power from IT is a factor or he wouldn't have the third eye in his arsenal. That's the whole idea of the third eye.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Team Juubi jin wins this with mid-high difficulty. With killing intent right off the bat Kaguya wouldn't underestimate them.

 

[KidGamer65]

Kaguya, Madara and Obito will be within a few feet of each other, a Goudama is capable of blocking LoS easily, Obito can leave behind a Goudama as well, furthermore blocking LoS. Not to mention Kaguya and Madara themselves can block the sight.

Fine.
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Ok, but does that mean they will exert enough force to destroy thosr "raindrops"? BDFRS is so powerful because it holds the properties of Goudama and FRS as well. I already mentioned that Madara can simply make more, and or make a giant one.

Sasuke's Susanoo was cutting up those rocks. Naruto's Larger Bijuu Dama are stronger than his sword slashes. A Super Bijuu Dama not destroying the rocks is laughable. I could use the same Gudo Dama logic to say BDFRS>Juubidama, but of course that'd be wrong.

And Naruto's clones can keep on nuking them. Not gonna change anything.
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Obito can negate it with his own Kamui

Ok.

as well as shoot Bijuudama inside Kamui Dimension.

Uh, no, he can't. He can't take the tree with him to the Kamui Dimension.

Did I say he was? He was getting close, if you are implying the Shinju and his second Rinnegan didn't put him there, than I suggest we just agree to disagree, because it's painfully obvious from my pov.

No, this implies that he was already near his level before, getting his second Rinnegan and the Shinju would put him at his level. And yeah, power from IT is a factor or he wouldn't have the third eye in his arsenal.

Since when does getting close mean the same thing as "close"? Lol, it doesn't. Madara getting another power up doesn't automatically mean that he gets put on Hagoromo's level, it just means that he's closer than before.

But fine, I'll agree that he's near Hagoromo's level.

OP specifying that its 3 Eyed Madara doesn't mean he gets chakra from the victims in IT, as there are no victims to absorb chakra from in this scenario.

I can't see this happening though.

Especially with sakura there. Naruto will lose his focus to protect her.

From who? All the opponents are accounted for.

I meant he can replicate it in terms of Using the Juubi's chakra to Fuel/Power up his PS.

Since the 9 Bijuu are fragments of the Juubi's chakra, Madara actually having access to the juubi balances out sasuke having access to the 9 Bijuu.

That'd be Rikudo Senjutsu powering his Susanoo. The only way he can replicate what Sasuke did is by inserting the chakra into Susanoo. There is no evidence that Madara can take the Juubi's chakra and fill his Susanoo up with it when that chakra is inside his body, which is Rikudo Senjutsu Chakra. Madara can manifest his Susanoo from it, which results in a power up, but its not the same thing.

So no, he can't copy Sasuke's feat.

 

[Blunt]

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Sasuke's Susanoo was cutting up those rocks. Naruto's Larger Bijuu Dama are stronger than his sword slashes. A Super Bijuu Dama not destroying the rocks is laughable. I could use the same Gudo Dama logic to say BDFRS>Juubidama, but of course that'd be wrong.

And Naruto's clones can keep on nuking them.

If we look at Madara's combined CT, it leveled the Mist country, and once again, those were "raindrops" in Madara's eyes, he can make a CT that dwarfs the ones he has shown. How does comparing Juubidama and BDFRS equate to Naruto's power with normal TBB? Juubidama is indeed bigger but BDFRS has a higher chance of destroying something in particular due to its properties.
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Uh, no, he can't. He can't take the tree with him to the Kamui Dimension.

No, no no... I mean he can warp one of the Juubidama itself, after it's shot, not the tree. Lol.

Since when does getting close mean the same thing as "close"? Lol, it doesn't. Madara getting another power up doesn't automatically mean that he gets put on Hagoromo's level, it just means that he's closer than before.

What, are we seriously picking at words to these extremes? He was getting close in a undeniably far inferior state, the second Rinnegan gives the user a whole new level of power, as does the Shinju.

OP specifying that its 3 Eyed Madara doesn't mean he gets chakra from the victims in IT, as there are no victims to absorb chakra from in this scenario.

Than what is the point of having the eye? Fanfic abilities?

 

[KidGamer65]

If we look at Madara's combined CT, it leveled the Mist country, and once again, those were "raindrops" in Madara's eyes, he can make a CT that dwarfs the ones he has shown.

And Naruto can make Bijuu Dama that dwarf the explosions of BDFRS. Same rocks that Susanoo was cutting up. Naruto obliterates them regardless of the Gudo Dama's properties. Unless you think Sasuke's sword swings>>>Flash Bijuu Dama from Naruto.

How does comparing Juubidama and BDFRS equate to Naruto's power with normal TBB? Juubidama is indeed bigger but BDFRS has a higher chance of destroying something in particular due to its properties.

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The point is the logic you are using is flawed. You are saying that Bijuu Dama that dwarf BDFRS's explosion might not destroy what BDFRS did, because it has the Gudo Dama's properties.

@bold: It really doesn't. Gudo Dama have their limit to what can be damaged. A Gudo Dama didn't break through Sasuke's Ribcage, I doubt an explosion of one would obliterate Perfect Susanoo. I doubt that the Gudo Dama's power bridges the gap between a super Bijuu Dama and BDFRS.

Not to mention Naruto can use BDFRS w/ his new Avatar. Another reason why he'd obliterate Madara's CT with no issues.

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And I'm pretty sure that's a Gudo Dama since it doesn't form like a Bijuu Dama does.

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No, no no... I mean he can warp one of the Juubidama itself, after it's shot, not the tree. Lol.

Obito? He can't. Tree or Bijuu Dama. He'd have to touch the Bijuu Dama after its fired and then he'd have to warp it, even though Short Ranged Kamui has never shown to be able to warp extremely large objects like that. That Bijuu Dama was almost as large as the tree itself IIRC, which was as large as Perfect Susanoo.

What, are we seriously picking at words to these extremes? He was getting close is a undeniably far inferior state, the second Rinnegan gives the user a whole new level of power, as does the Shinju.

Its not called picking at words, its called applying the right meaning. "Getting close to" doesn't mean "close to" that isn't disputable. Especially when the form that he was "getting close to Rikudo's power in" was getting pushed back by SM Rikudo Naruto (only carrying half of Rikudo's power and not even using anywhere near that full power) and he was getting beaten by Naruto and Sasuke, who again, only have half of his power each, and weren't using anywhere close to their full powers.

Take away the Juubi from both, and we have Rinnegan Hagoromo>>Rinnegan Madara. He fought Kaguya with only his brother as back up, two guys stronger than Rinnegan Madara needed help to win. Add the Juubi to both and you get the same result. Even if they are on the same tier, there is a noticeable difference in their power.


The boost the Shinju gave him is unknown, but I agree the Rinnegan gives a whole new level of power.

But read my edit, I pretty much agreed they are on the same relative level.

Than what is the point of having the eye? Fanfic abilities?

Ask OP, but I'm not giving him the chakra of everyone in IT, its the same as giving Minato all his pre marked locations. Not to mention he probably prioritized that ability for Kaguya anyway.

 

[RustledJimmies]

He'd regenerate and break out.

That's not gonna happen unless they wait for him to regenerate, a battle ends as soon as all opponents are dead or incapacitated, so unless he regenerates and breaks out immediately after CT traps him, the battle is over. Think of it like when Sasuke or Itachi use Amaterasu to incapacitate Edo's, Amaterasu will extinguish eventually, but the battle will be over long before that. And considering how long it took for him to regenerate from being cut in half, he is not regenerating
from getting cut to pieces before the battle is over.

 

[KidGamer65]

That's not gonna happen unless they wait for him to regenerate, a battle ends as soon as all opponents are dead or incapacitated, so unless he regenerates and breaks out immediately after CT traps him, the battle is over. Think of it like when Sasuke or Itachi use Amaterasu to incapacitate Edo's, Amaterasu will extinguish eventually, but the battle will be over long before that.

That depends on how long it actually takes for him to regenerate, which won't be long, so no, that doesn't apply here. A second or two later he'd regenerate and break right out. Amaterasu lasts for 7 days. Not the same thing.

 

[Benjamin King]

Madara solos mid difficulty.​

 

[Blunt]

And Naruto can make Bijuu Dama that dwarf the explosions of BDFRS. Same rocks that Susanoo was cutting up. Naruto obliterates them regardless of the Gudo Dama's properties. Unless you think Sasuke's sword swings>>>Flash Bijuu Dama from Naruto.

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The point is the logic you are using is flawed. You are saying that Bijuu Dama that dwarf BDFRS's explosion might not destroy what BDFRS did, because it has the Gudo Dama's properties.

@bold: It really doesn't. Gudo Dama have their limit to what can be damaged. A Gudo Dama didn't break through Sasuke's Ribcage, I doubt an explosion of one would obliterate Perfect Susanoo. I doubt that the Gudo Dama's power bridges the gap between a super Bijuu Dama and BDFRS.

Not to mention Naruto can use BDFRS w/ his new Avatar. Another reason why he'd obliterate Madara's CT with no issues.

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And I'm pretty sure that's a Gudo Dama since it doesn't form like a Bijuu Dama does.

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Obito? He can't. Tree or Bijuu Dama. He'd have to touch the Bijuu Dama after its fired and then he'd have to warp it, even though Short Ranged Kamui has never shown to be able to warp extremely large objects like that. That Bijuu Dama was almost as large as the tree itself IIRC, which was as large as Perfect Susano

A) Warps Goudama bombs.

B So you are implying Naruto is capable of destroying a country sized CT in the time it falls? Not forgetting rubble and all?

Its not called picking at words, its called applying the right meaning. "Getting close to" doesn't mean "close to" that isn't disputable. Especially when the form that he was "getting close to Rikudo's power in" was getting pushed back by SM Rikudo Naruto (only carrying half of Rikudo's power and not even using anywhere near that full power) and he was getting beaten by Naruto and Sasuke, who again, only have half of his power each, and weren't using anywhere close to their full powers.

A) Madara wasn't using his full powers, no Rinnegan paths, no Goudama and so on. Not even Preta Path for Chidori/Rasengan combo... Therefore both sides were restricted.

B) You seem to have this misconception that Naruto is solely just 50% of Hagaromo, he HAS 50% of his power, that doesn't mean he is only that powerful compared to him. Naruto utilized Biju chakra and a technique exclusive to him, RS. He is 50% of Hagaromo and than some.. Not to mention Madara wasn't anything but a few feet away on the ground, and underestimated him.

Take away the Juubi from both, and we have Rinnegan Hagoromo>>Rinnegan Madara. He fought Kaguya with only his brother as back up, two guys stronger than Rinnegan Madara needed help to win. Add the Juubi to both and you get the same result. Even if they are on the same tier, there is a noticeable difference in their power.

Ok.

The boost the Shinju gave him is unknown, but I agree the Rinnegan gives a whole new level of power.

You should be able to agree that the Shinju gave him more power, considering it has huge life force, chakra and it even changed his appearance. In all manga, I haven't seen once where a users look change, but not their power. Not to mention Shinju is consistent of Kaguya's power going by logic.

But read my edit, I pretty much agreed they are on the same relative level.

Alright.

Madara solos mid difficulty.​

That wank is disgusting brah, chill out.

 

[Exaar]

From who? All the opponents are accounted for

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Even if i discount sakura being a burden, I still don't see them winning or being able to execute a plan under such pressure.

Neither Naruto nor sasuke alone are a real threat to Kaguya Nor Madara since both seals are required to defeat them. Kaguya can always split them two up with her dimension Jutsu and send Herself or Madara into that other dimension to deal with the person she decided to warp away.

The requirement for Naruto and sasuke both needed to seal Both madara and Kaguya is their biggest burden.

I Simply do not see Sasuke defeating Juubi Jin madara alone even if you remove the seal requirements.

 

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Even if i discount sakura being a burden, I still don't see them winning or being able to execute a plan under such pressure.]Neither Naruto nor sasuke alone are a real threat to Kaguya Nor Madara since both seals are required to defeat them. Kaguya can always split them two up with her dimension Jutsu and send Herself or Madara into that other dimension to deal with the person she decided to warp away.

But they are strong enough to hold her off on their own. Naruto was holding her off by himself, even after she gained the intent to kill. He's much stronger now, same goes for Sasuke. They should be able to hold her off. Either one is strong enough to defeat Madara, combat wise, but they can't finish him due to the seal.

-Naruto's clone can team up with Kakashi to beat Madara. Once he's been damaged enough, Kakashi warps him to the other dimension and leaves him there. Madara isn't strong enough to solo both. Nothing supports it.

-Meanwhile the real Naruto and Sasuke fight Kaguya. Since they are much stronger than before, their chances of winning with just the two of them are much higher than before, and even if they can't pull it off, Kakashi and Naruto would finish off Madara first, then they can all come together and beat Kaguya.

Kaguya splitting them apart isn't going to work.

1. Naruto or Sasuke is capable of beating Madara, they just can't finish him due to the seal.

2. Above gives Kakashi enough time to search for and rescue the one who was separated. (Sasuke probably since this canonically failed on Naruto)

3. The one who is still there (Naruto) holds off Kaguya until Sasuke is rescued. He already did this in canon, he's stronger now, so he can do it again.

The requirement for Naruto and sasuke both needed to seal Both madara and Kaguya is their biggest burden.

Agreed. But they have ways around that.

I Simply do not see Sasuke defeating Juubi Jin madara alone even if you remove the seal requirements.

Before? Yeah, now? I can't see Sasuke losing. Madara's feats don't help his case much either.