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My response to your post was mainly due to me not knowing whether you thought it was fast or not.
Fujitora manipulated his use of the meteor; he brought it down and got rid of it.
As for Kizaru & Aokiji: their fruits are more dimensional then Akainu's (however, to an extent, Aokiji's, isn't that different.
Furthermore, one half of PH was landscaped with volcanoes, so logically those Akainu were made because Akainu created them. So there's your differentiated power.
That's an good point, but until we know the true nature of the DF's and if they do indeed possess something similar to how Jyabura explained it , it could indeed mean inanimate objects are able use any DF. But until then, it's only logical to assume what you pointed out; only Zoan's should work with a object, especially since all DF's which are consumed with an object are Zoan's.
It's actually not, since their are a few other theories which suggest a different type of power and not strictly gravity.
You can't expect a brick-Nokia to be used like an iPhone. But aside from that analogy, Akainu did manage to create volcanoes, so there's variation on his behalf.
Slowly but surely you'll see more variated techs as his fighting is shown more & more.
Interesting, puls there'd be a pun to it.
And it was from behind. As soon as he killed Ace, he was about to kill Luffy but Jinbei stopped him and then WB jumped down behind him and as soon as he turned around, he was quaked.
Even though you don't see Akainu as the FV, I can't disagree with you because neither do I. And truth be told, I predict Luffy to beat him before he fights BB (as will Zoro with Kizaru and Sanji with Ryokugyu).
The other Emperor's shouldn't be compared to WB & Shanks since they were/are the strongest characters in the series (at that time of course). Since considering that Kaido was eager to fight WB, but Shanks intervened and Kaido still had an option of fighting an Emperor to eliminate the completion. But he declined. Albeit logic dictates Shanks persuaded Kaido not to take action with no physical harm included in similar fashion to what he did @MF, one could argue that Kaido was more influenced to step-back because he knew he'd lose. Which makes me think the other two Emperor's would be incredibly challenged by the Pre-TS Admiral's would they still be Admirals right now. And why? Because the Emperor's are the strongest Pirates, period. And there are 4 of them. Whereas the Admirals are the strongest Marines, and there are 3 of them. So using that comparison, one would say the Admirals are stronger, but I don't think that's the case, I just believe that a respective battle between Pre-TS Akainu, Aokiji, Kaido & BM could go either way, with the winner walking out with major injuries (Kizaru would put up a good fight but ultimately lose to all 4 mentioned). Meaning I think the same applies now. After-all, the Marines' strongest force should technically be on par with the Pirates' strongest force. However, that statement applies to Pre-TS. Which means I assume the "New Era" Admiral's wouldn't be enough to defeat Kaido & BM.
Alongside Sanji & Zoro, I think they could defeat one of the "New Era" Admirals, but that goes without saying most of them would be severely injured, if not one of them dies.
I think that because there's no way two SN crews can defeat an Emperors. Since more than a handful of their crew-mates would possess Haki, whereas only a slim amount possess Haki on the alliance's side.
Exactly. If the Admiral's were to indeed be the FV's. Luffy & Co. wouldn't win so easily no would they? They would be taken to the limit and beyond. And there's 2 fights that we know of were two people went to the brink of death or somewhere close to that, simply due to the difference in strength (both nearly equal to one another). Those fight were: Ace v Jinbei & Akainu v Aokiji. And what do those fights have in common? They lasted over a few days. And at the 'War of the Best', there were people considerably on par with the Admiral's (Marco, Vista, etc). So if the Admiral's were to engage in an all-out fight 1v1 with someone equal to them, it wouldn't end in few hours, but a few days. Another reason Oda didn't go down that road.
Madara's fight was with very strong people, so using very strong people, Kishi wanted to make a statement about the first generation by making an example out of the latest gen, in order to make us ponder how Sasuke will be surpass him. Also because Kishi intended us to think if Sasuke's now found eyes would lead him to similar power, and when he's full-might is revealed, it may be different to what Madara possesses. As for Aizen, though he may not be the FV, he had a final battle, and that fight happend in the same arc as his powers were revealed. Similaraly, his full-power wasn't actually shown because he continued to evolve. As evident with him still evolving during he and Ichigo's last fight. Funny thing is, if Ichigo didn't go Mugetsu, he would've exceed his "Monster-form".
I've never read Magi so I can't reply to your comment.
Not really, since we just saw him making a fissure and a sink-hole. That's just like saying: since we saw Kizaru using laser beams, a sword and a tech which made him extremely fast, that's his full-power.
But it can also refer to the difference in the level of fighting.
Marco is extremely durable. He was cuffed in SS and lasered in his chest twice but was still able to continue heal himself after he got free. Meaning if BB grabbed hold of him and gets quaked in the face, he'll just regen after BB lets go. Moreover, Marco would strengthen his face with CoA in order to make the force of the quake less - and the result of that punch would be significantly reduced since he's shown to have CoA so strong that it can send an Admiral to kingdom come.
Additionally, saying BB beats Marco means he can beat an Admiral is applying A>B>C logic, and we all know that doesn't work in OP.
Same here. But that doesn't mean they aren't Top TIERs.
High TIER's the the Luffy's. And Admirals are the strongest force of the Marines. So you don't think their last resort are Top TIERs?
Isn't stated. And even if he was, epithet doesn't relate to strength. It refers to him being the Roger's right-hand; the second to the King.
Prove it.
Haki does enhance power, as seen with Luffy, Law, Vergo, etc. Akainu can infuse Haki into his magma to make it's blunt-force greater and therefore equal or beat BB's quake-punch.
If you mean what WB did to BB, then I strongly doubt BB can pull something like that, mostly because that tech seems pretty damn advanced, and given BB had two years to master it whereas WB had probably more than a decade to, I don't think he can.
Before shit hit the fan (around the time WB entered the fray), Akainu did almost nothing except stay in his spot, shoot meteors, etc. And when Ace was freed, that's when Akainu actually thought: "those weaklings can't even keep a fvcking prisoner at bay, so I guess I have to do something". And that's when we see Akainu truly trying to help his cause.
But their DF increases the strength dramatically. Meaning once they lose that power, they'll need to fight with their physical power, which isn't so strong since that fruit made the hits hurt.
Yes, I know. But there needs to be a counter to that, otherwise no one can beat him except with Luffy losing his powers, on death's door, and randomly delivers a "Nakama Punch". So what is that counter? Haki. And a whole lot of it.
Not really. As long as his Yami Yami no Mi is active and can use it at any given moment, as soon as he is about to be touched, he could use his CoO (if he even has it) to know where he's gonna be touched and then he can just make his power appear at that point.
It's based off logical thinking.
No I didn't. I implied all OP DF users who don't have Haki are finished by Garp. So since you say I think Garp>WB easily: do you think I think WB doesn't have strong Haki?
Because they don't know what else lies out there; they think they're god. But did you forget what Pekom's said to Caribou? He said something along the lines of: "Logia's die to young 'cause they're cocky." Because they don't know about Haki. Now look at the Pre-TS Admirals. They've kept that position because they know what power you need to be someone in the NW; you need Haki. And they do, a strong amount at that.
Unless they defend themselves by using Haki.
Luffy - someone who just has the basic CoA - was able to harden that CoA and break 1/3 of an island-sized ship. So imagine what someone with Top TIER Haki can withstand if they harden their body.
They'd easily harden the body to increase their physical power, and thereby they have the strength to break out of a hold.
No I'm simply saying Haki is a mojor factor in a fight. And Shanks will most definitely lose to BB, and when he does, it'd be because BB will have mastered WB's power and have strong Haki to make his attacks stronger than Shanks'.
1. Akainu was attacked with a all-out strike by both Marco & Vista and he came out ready to continue with them. And there's no way any of the M3's Haki is respectively as strong Marco/Vista's. So using this as precedent, the M3's combined attack with Haki infused, won't damage him any more than Marco & Vista did.
2. Akainu's fruit is one of the most strongest in the story. And if he covered half and island with magma, just imagine how much damage he'd do to the M3.
3. Akainu's one of the most durable people in OP. I mean, he withstood WB's end-all rage. So yourself this: do you see the M3 surviving that if they were in Akainu's shoes? Meaning he'd surely get back up from the M3's might.