TBB > Shinra Tensei ??

[Genduko]

it would have to be a full scale shinra tensai like when pain destroyed the hidden leaf to block the tailed beast bomb

 

[teetooktier]

It can go either way. My guess is Shinra Tensei is less chakra efficient than tbb because it affects such a wide area. Therefore if each person uses an equal amount of chakra, tbb wins.

 

[FizzyDrink]

Pain's almighty push (shinra tensei) would probably render tbb harmless. We have seen shinra tensei disrupt rasenshuriken without excessive chakra usage.

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The relevance of these panels to the shinra tensei vs. tbb debate is that, from what we know rasengan works fundamentally the same way tbb works:

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This shows us that the tailed beast bomb isn't inherently different from rasenshuriken- and therefore lacks unique qualities that would allow tbb to prevail against shinra tensei. Tbb would dissipate exactly how rasenshuriken dissipated when shinra tensei was used to deflect it.

Perhaps the general chain of thought among the people posting here is that since tbb is highly destructive (equal to, or greater than the destructive force of shinra tensei) that must make tbb > shinra tensei. While their is merit to the idea of tbb being more destructive and harmful than shinra tensei, there's zero evidence suggesting tbb would actually overpower shinra tensei and be unhindered by it.

The conclusion is, were the tbb to come up against shinra tensei in a contest of power, shinra tensei would prevail against the tbb every time.

^^^This

The shinra tensei Pain used to deflect rasenshuriken only caused a 5 second cool down after each use. He wouldn't need to use a massive shinra tensei because the tbb wouldn't have a chance to explode.

Rasenshuriken also causes damage across a large area on impact by expanding, similar to the tbb exploding. At this point shinra tensei vs. rasenshuriken is the only evidence needed- tbb would be affected by shinra tensei the same way rasenshuriken was: the compressed chakra would be forcibly pushed apart by the push, causing tbb to dissipate harmlessly.

^^^and this are what I was trying to say in my response.

 

[Cascade]

As everyone has stated - it depends on the level of the attack, but if you look at the scale of each attack at their maximum - wouldnt the TBB (with its negative and positive energy. which the rasenshuriken doesn't have) be a LOT more powerful than a rasenshuriken and enough to break though a shinra tensei?

 

[Cascade]

This is the original thread

 

[hearteaterx]

As everyone has stated - it depends on the level of the attack, but if you look at the scale of each attack at their maximum - wouldnt the TBB (with its negative and positive energy. which the rasenshuriken doesn't have) be a LOT more powerful than a rasenshuriken and enough to break though a shinra tensei?

The positive/negative chakra is irrelevant. The point of the negative/positive chakra ratios is to show how difficult forming the tbb is. It requires precision. That doesn't change the fact that tbb is compressed chakra just like a rasenshuriken. The almighty push would just disperse the chakra in the tbb. The same as the rasenshuriken. (I tried to be very simple here, hopefully you follow.)

 

[sytren]

I would think that the TBB would be able to break through it. Given the size, speed, and strength of it i dont think that Deva path could deflect it.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

Pain beat it up when it was about to attack him with it

Maybe if he timed it perfectly but Pain would go flying back

 

[-love-iz-life-]

tbb

 

[hearteaterx]

I would think that the TBB would be able to break through it. Given the size, speed, and strength of it i dont think that Deva path could deflect it.

Why not? We've seen that the deva path can easily disperse a rasenshuriken- rasenshuriken is fundamentally the same as tbb, other than it being wind style. The fundamentals are the same- both techniques are based on compressing chakra together and then holding the chakra together (rasenshuriken uses rotation, tbb has to have a perfect ratio since it has no rotation) until it impacts something.

Almighty push will simply push the chakra apart again. As seen here, compressed chakra can't hold together before almighty push:

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[Munboy]

Shinra Tensei. If chakra infused with natural energy (FRS) can't get through ST, then an all chakra attack won't.

 

[Cascade]

The positive/negative chakra is irrelevant. The point of the negative/positive chakra ratios is to show how difficult forming the tbb is. It requires precision. That doesn't change the fact that tbb is compressed chakra just like a rasenshuriken. The almighty push would just disperse the chakra in the tbb. The same as the rasenshuriken. (I tried to be very simple here, hopefully you follow.)

i understand completely and agree with you in that the wind chakra would be the same as negative and positive chakra ratios - but also - wouldnt the speed of the blast delivered (wind rasenshuriken being very slow, and TBB being fired very quickly and seeming to be more powerful) effect the disapation of the chakra, and blast through the Shinra Tensei

 

[Awkward Linguist]

idiots.
Shinra Tensei of course.
Shinra Tensei would push the ttb back

 

[Cascade]

idiots.
Shinra Tensei of course.
Shinra Tensei would push the ttb back

Idiot? Stop acting big with your 54 post count, i dare you to back your comment up with proof without looking at the other comments.

I asked because i wanted to start a discussion, not be insulted by a nobody who thinks they know everything. :flaw::sy:

 

[kellzfresh]

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TBB was easily teleported by 4th hokage, Don't think it can do this to konoha U_U

 

[WillToWin]

Kurama's could probably break it. The others fail miserably :noc:

 

[Goodboy]

Shinra Tensei vs the Tailed Beast Bomb - what do you think would win it??

Naruto has seen to use some pretty strong attacks in 6-7 tails against Pein - but never used the TBB itself - Do you think it would break through it or Pein would be able to repel it?

if you remember the manga you shouldnt even have to ask. Naruto was able to resist shinra tensei with 6 tails. that was without using tailed beast ball

 

[Cascade]

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TBB was easily teleported by 4th hokage, Don't think it can do this to konoha U_U

It never hit konoha, the 4th teleported it away but if it had hit im pretty sure it would have anhilated the village (which is why Minato Teleported it away.....) How in any way, does Minato's time space jutsu reinforce that TBB<ST? They are totally different circumstances and your arguement is unviable as the nature of the TBB and ST are different, and therefore circumstancial depending on the situation at hand.
Back to your cave Troll

if you remember the manga you shouldnt even have to ask. Naruto was able to resist shinra tensei with 6 tails. that was without using tailed beast ball

You say that yet many people disagree with you.

 

[Tosen]

Depends on the strength of the shinra tensei but I can say this for sure that Preta Path > Tbb