TBB > Shinra Tensei ??

[Seraphiel]

Cant find the chapter atm, will find the anime clip once i get home from school (he lies down when the beast sends energy beams towards him and repels it.

I think I know what you are talking about. Those are not TBBs, those are fire blasts. TBB and fire is very different.

 

[ItachiSan03]

A TBB from just 4 tails naruto was able to destroy a whole forest when he was fighting orochimaru, shinra tensei won't so anything to current naruto's TBB

Has kyuubis tbb shown to contain more force than say other tbb's? I was always under the impression that it was just stronger, not that it was shot out with more force.
Again, tbb has been showm to be affected by gravity so i dont see why an extremely large scale shinra tensei cant repel a tbb.

 

[Seraphiel]

Has kyuubis tbb shown to contain more force than say other tbb's? I was always under the impression that it was just stronger, not that it was shot out with more force.
Again, tbb has been showm to be affected by gravity so i dont see why an extremely large scale shinra tensei cant repel a tbb.

I have not seen this Manga page. Can you please show me where that TBB was affected by Gravity?

 

[ItachiSan03]

I have not seen this Manga page. Can you please show me where that TBB was affected by Gravity?

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[Seraphiel]

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:sy: These people are actually basing their arguments on this? Shinra Tensei and Planetary Devastation are two different Jutsu; one Repels and the other Pulls. And Bee's TBB is noting compared to BM Naruto's TBB.

TBB is affected by gravity, but Shinra Tense acts like a force field. Unless Nagato can actually affect the gravity around the TBB and make it crash, the TBB remains superior to me. And even so, BM Naruto's TBB has so much power... I don't think Nagato will be able to escape the blast.

TBB > Shinra Tensei.

 

[ItachiSan03]

:sy: These people are actually basing their arguments on this? Shinra Tensei and Planetary Devastation are two different Jutsu; one Repels and the other Pulls. And Bee's TBB is noting compared to BM Naruto's TBB.

TBB is affected by gravity, but Shinra Tense acts like a force field. Unless Nagato can actually affect the gravity around the TBB and make it crash, the TBB remains superior to me. And even so, BM Naruto's TBB has so much power... I don't think Nagato will be able to escape the blast.

TBB > Shinra Tensei.

Chibaku tensei and shinra tensei are essentially the same thing, its gravity.
And agin, when has bmnarutos tbb shown to be shot out with greater force? It is kuramas powerful chakra that makes it powerful, not the force at which it is shot out.


Banshō Ten'in
Chibaku Tensei
Shinra Tensei
The Deva Path (天道, Tendō) grants the user the ability to manipulate attractive and repulsive forces. When used by Pain, the Deva Path was channeled into the body of his deceased friend, Yahiko.
This Path grants the user the ability to manipulate attractive and repulsive gravitational forces of objects or people. These techniques, however, cannot be performed in rapid succession. The Deva Path also grants another ability: Chibaku Tensei which allows the user to create a huge makeshift terrestrial body from all the surrounding matter that is attracted to a black sphere released by this technique.

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this was a large scale shinra tensei that pain used to destroy konoha. I think nagato could repell tbb with this sized shinra tensei.

 

[Seraphiel]

Chibaku tensei and shinra tensei are essentially the same thing, its gravity.
And agin, when has bmnarutos tbb shown to be shot out with greater force? It is kuramas powerful chakra that makes it powerful, not the force at which it is shot out.

Kurama's TBB has been shown to require more propelling force the greater the TBB is. I came to this conclusion, because the heavier it is the more propelling force it needs to be able to travel. Exp: It's like throwing a one pound ball vs. a five pound ball; you need more force to throw it.

And the other reason for me saying this is because of how fast BM Naruto was able to create and blast the TBB. It looked like he was able to create it faster than Kurama alone is able to.

 

[ItachiSan03]

Kurama's TBB has been shown to require more propelling force the greater the TBB is. I came to this conclusion, because the heavier it is the more propelling force it needs to be able to travel. Exp: It's like throwing a one pound ball vs. a five pound ball; you need more force to throw it.

And the other reason for me saying this is because of how fast BM Naruto was able to create and blast the TBB. It looked like he was able to create it faster than Kurama alone is able to.

Yes but when has kuramas tbb shown to be denser?
Are you saying that maybe kurama compresses more chakra into the tailed beast ball and that is why it is stronger?

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Right well since this is a shinra tensei vs bm naruto tbb, lets just assume that nagato has the reaction time to defend himself so we can make this a pure jutsu vs jutsu.

 

[Seraphiel]

Yes but when has kuramas tbb shown to be denser?
Are you saying that maybe kurama compresses more chakra into the tailed beast ball and that is why it is stronger?

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Right well since this is a shinra tensei vs bm naruto tbb, lets just assume that nagato has the reaction time to defend himself so we can make this a pure jutsu vs jutsu.

I would assume that the greater the TBB, the more power and Chakra it has... thus being heavier. And Nagato probably has the reaction time to react, but I'm not sure he has enough power to repel such a powerful attack.

And are we talking about Edo Nagato or Sick Nagato(Pain)?

 

[ItachiSan03]

I would assume that the greater the TBB, the more power and Chakra it has... thus being heavier. And Nagato probably has the reaction time to react, but I'm not sure he has enough power to repel such a powerful attack.

And are we talking about Edo Nagato or Sick Nagato(Pain)?

I see your point about kuramas tbb now, it makes sense. And i just said lets assume that nagato has the reaction time to defend himself just to keep it from going more into nagato vs naruto

And we are talking about healthy nagato, full stamina from both.

I think nagato could stop tbb with a shinra tensei => the one he used on konoha (see my above posts). We can assume that his full power shinra tensei => the one he used on konoha because naruto stated that all of his attacks were on a higher level.

 

[Seraphiel]

I see your point about kuramas tbb now, it makes sense. And i just said lets assume that nagato has the reaction time to defend himself just to keep it from going more into nagato vs naruto

And we are talking about healthy nagato, full stamina from both.

I think nagato could stop tbb with a shinra tensei => the one he used on konoha (see my above posts). We can assume that his full power shinra tensei => the one he used on konoha because naruto stated that all of his attacks were on a higher level.

@Bold: LOL Not making it into a VS. thread.

He might be able to repel a normal TBB with the attack he used on Konoha, but I think a BM Naruto TBB is too powerful for him to repel. BM Naruto was able to repel 5 normal TBBs, but I can't imagine him repeling his BM TBB, either.

The one he used in BM was larger than this:

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[ItachiSan03]

@Bold: LOL Not making it into a VS. thread.

He might be able to repel a normal TBB with the attack he used on Konoha, but I think a BM Naruto TBB is too powerful for him to repel. BM Naruto was able to repel 5 normal TBBs, but I can't imagine him repeling his BM TBB, either.

The one he used in BM was larger than this:

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Well now its just speculation about which carries more force, healthy nagato full power or bm narutos tbb. So anything from here on out would be just assumptions and opinions.

Was really fun debating with you, i really enjoyed it, its tough to have a civil discussion like this on nb +rep for your good arguments

 

[Seraphiel]

Well now its just speculation about which carries more force, healthy nagato full power or bm narutos tbb. So anything from here on out would be just assumptions and opinions.

Was really fun debating with you, i really enjoyed it, its tough to have a civil discussion like this on nb +rep for your good arguments

Thanks. And the rest would be speculation. LOL +Rep back.

 

[Voidstep]

Shinra Tensei acts more like a force field, just see how the other attacks (even objects like kunais) are affected by it... It's like they're hitting a wall.
Using shinra tensei on TBB will just cause it to blast on their faces, it will change trajectory before blasting, but doubt it will be by much. And that large scale shinra tensei used on konoha is a double edged sword for the user unless he's an edo, cause it will leave him exhausted.

 

[Prime Rib]

Tbb xd

 

[FlyingThunderGodHax]

Tbb leveled that forrest when Naruto fought Orochimaru right? lol

Well Shinra Tensei level villages.
Back on topic. Yes and NO, because you need to specify what kind of TBB. Kurama's or just the standard TBB (the ones BM deflected) . You also need tospecify what Shinra Tenesi. But if both were at full power then I would have to give it to Shinra tensei.

Cant find the chapter atm, will find the anime clip once i get home from school (he lies down when the beast sends energy beams towards him and repels it.

I think that was only in the anime, or at least I think ?

 

[Shirou Emiya]

Tbb
Kuramas tbb > 1-7 tails combined

 

[hearteaterx]

Pain's almighty push (shinra tensei) would probably render tbb harmless. We have seen shinra tensei disrupt rasenshuriken without excessive chakra usage.

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The relevance of these panels to the shinra tensei vs. tbb debate is that, from what we know rasengan works fundamentally the same way tbb works:

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This shows us that the tailed beast bomb isn't inherently different from rasenshuriken- and therefore lacks unique qualities that would allow tbb to prevail against shinra tensei. Tbb would dissipate exactly how rasenshuriken dissipated when shinra tensei was used to deflect it.

Perhaps the general chain of thought among the people posting here is that since tbb is highly destructive (equal to, or greater than the destructive force of shinra tensei) that must make tbb > shinra tensei. While their is merit to the idea of tbb being more destructive and harmful than shinra tensei, there's zero evidence suggesting tbb would actually overpower shinra tensei and be unhindered by it.

The conclusion is, were the tbb to come up against shinra tensei in a contest of power, shinra tensei would prevail against the tbb every time.

 

[FlyingThunderGodHax]

Pain's almighty push (shinra tensei) would probably render tbb harmless. We have seen shinra tensei disrupt rasenshuriken without excessive chakra usage.

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The relevance of these panels to the shinra tensei vs. tbb debate is that, from what we know rasengan works fundamentally the same way tbb works:

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This shows us that the tailed beast bomb isn't inherently different from rasenshuriken- and therefore lacks unique qualities that would allow tbb to prevail against shinra tensei.

Perhaps the general chain of thought among the people posting here is that since tbb is highly destructive (equal to, or greater than the destructive force of shinra tensei) that must make tbb > shinra tensei. While their is merit to the idea of tbb being more destructive and harmful than shinra tensei, there's zero evidence suggesting tbb would actually overpower shinra tensei and be unhindered by it.

The conclusion is, were the tbb to come up against shinra tensei in a contest of power, shinra tensei would prevail against the tbb every time.

This + rep. But he only problem is that Nagato's huge ST leaves him vulnerable. The TBB however can be spammed .

 

[hearteaterx]

The shinra tensei Pain used to deflect rasenshuriken only caused a 5 second cool down after each use. He wouldn't need to use a massive shinra tensei because the tbb wouldn't have a chance to explode.

Rasenshuriken also causes damage across a large area on impact by expanding, similar to the tbb exploding. At this point shinra tensei vs. rasenshuriken is the only evidence needed- tbb would be affected by shinra tensei the same way rasenshuriken was: the compressed chakra would be forcibly pushed apart by the push, causing tbb to dissipate harmlessly.