Targeting points I see on NB regarding Sasuke vs Danzo

Punk Hazard

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Alright, so the purpose of this thread is to target some points around NB involving the Sasuke vs Danzo fight that I disagree with. I will analyze each of these "arguments" 1 by 1.

1. Danzo was conserving chakra the entire fight.

Analysis: Now, while this a reasonable little piece of speculation, there is no proof that he was doing this. The reason people say this is because of this scan:

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Now the flaw here is Tobi doesn't know for sure what he's doing. There's no way for Tobi to know that for a fact. The key phrase here is "I won't need any special technique for her". This simply means that if Danzo was conserving chakra, it was most likely for that moment only. He knew using chakra to deal with Karin is stupid, so he went with Taijutsu.

2. Karin was helping Sasuke.
False again. Karin helped in no way. Sasuke figured out the basics of Izanagi himself. Not once did Karin alert Sasuke to an attack. Yes, she yelled "Look out!", like, once. But honestly, does yelling look out really do anything at all? No.

3. KA would have solo'ed Sasuke.
This is a pretty dumb thing to say. Let's say Danzo KA'd Sasuke to kill himself. Do you really think Sasuke will say to himself "Hmm, the urge to kill myself has sporadically entered my mind. Better follow it."
Of course not. Sasuke will realize something is wrong, he's not stupid. He would also be able to see that his chakra flow is messed up.

Another point to defute KA is Susano'o. Sasuke had Susano'o active for almost the entire fight. Susano'o has been noted by Sasuke himself to hurt at a cellular level. That means excruciating pain constantly at every part of the body. What's one way of getting out of Genjutsu? Pain, so you better believe the pain from Susano'o can snap Sasuke out of it.

Another thing I want to point out about KA is a little theory of my own. I believe KA works best with those with an underlying desire to do the order. Look at Itachi and Mifune, the only two to be actually have been shown being affected by KA. Both had an underlying desire to do the order, Itachi loving his village and Mifune saying that he may have chosen Danzo anyway. I believe KA can only push those to do something that they have a desire to do already. There's no solid proof for this, but it's something to think about.
 

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All of your points are correct except for the one regarding KA - he won't know he is in a genjutsu and do it anyways.
 

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Well NB can disappoint you sometimes...Riker anybody who doesn't know this should leave...
 

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The only thing I disagree with is the part about chakra conservation. As Danzo had a bone to pick with Tobi, and Tobi he, it would be believable to think that Tobi would fight Danzo if and when he defeated Sasuke. Perhaps Tobi would have abandoned the fight to rescue his comrade with kamui, it may be Danzo's thinking that, because Tobi is watching the fight, he would have come to attack at any moment, thus he would need to conserve as much chakra as possible so he could combat him effectively.

There are times where posters look at a character's thoughts and thinks this is interpreted as official, objective information, and I believe this was the part you were getting at.
 

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I agree for the most part except will never know about KA since itachi and danzo both destroyed the eye meaning we will never see its battle applications. Even KA was said to have failed against the other uchiha of the clan why would sasuke be any different. At the same time KA is said to work without anyone realizing they are being controlled so its moot point whether or not it would have won/lost the battle.
 

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Kotoamatsukami affects the victim at a subconscious level. Sure if it goes against a person's subconscious nature for self-preservation, it cannot be done. But otherwise, if Kotoamatsukami was used on Sasuke to become Danzo's mind slave, it could've been done at the snap of a finger.
 

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Another point to defute KA is Susano'o. Sasuke had Susano'o active for almost the entire fight. Susano'o has been noted by Sasuke himself to hurt at a cellular level. That means excruciating pain constantly at every part of the body. What's one way of getting out of Genjutsu? Pain, so you better believe the pain from Susano'o can snap Sasuke out of it.

Wow, thats a great point o_o
 

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1. Danzo was conserving energy for Tobi.

3. KA is a genjutsu that puts you under a trance. Sasuke will kill himself if he got caught in KA.
 

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I think the KA could have solo'd if used right, just not if it was used to say, Sauske, jump off a cliff and die.

Maybe if Danzo said "Sauske, you have no more Chakra"
 

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What you mentioned about KA makes no sense.KA is known to be used to manipulate an opponenet without them even being aware of it so Sasuke cant possibly prevent himself from committing suicide if he doesn't know something's wrong.
 

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You have no idea what you're talking about, Karin healed Sasuke after he was stabbed and Tobi warned Sasuke about his sealing jutsu, he would have died many times, Danzo is stronger.
 

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Every jutsu has a weakness. Heck if KA is that OP that means Shisui> Juubi!
 

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You have no idea what you're talking about, Karin healed Sasuke after he was stabbed and Tobi warned Sasuke about his sealing jutsu, he would have died many times, Danzo is stronger.

That was after the battle was over. Danzo's sealing tech activated because he was about to die. Why? Because Sasuke, that's why.
 
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