Conveniently you forgot the help he got from a whole country, the gladiators at one point, and his Donquixote family pirate crew. So Luffy was at a huge deficit since he arrived there and has been fighting ever since depleting his stamina. Surprised you missed that part.
Doesn't matter. Doflamingo outlasts Luffy in a 1 vs 1, and finishes him off while immobile. Therefore, Doffy>Luffy in a 1 v 1(at least in Dressrosa that is).
He doesn't outlast without all the help he was getting since the beginning. One on one he smashes him in five hits. Running away is a feat of desperation and sometimes cowardliness. In the end of the day, his attacks couldn't even damage G4 luffy.
Conveniently you forgot the help he got from a whole country, the gladiators at one point, and his Donquixote family pirate crew. So Luffy was at a huge deficit since he arrived there and has been fighting ever since depleting his stamina. Surprised you missed that part.
He had his full stamina when he arrived at the Palace. He ate after the tournament, so he regained the energy he spent there, and rode a horse and a bull all the way to Doffy, so he didn't have expend any energy getting there.
He doesn't outlast without all the help he was getting since the beginning. One on one he smashes him in five hits. Running away is a feat of desperation and sometimes cowardliness. In the end of the day, his attacks couldn't even damage G4 luffy.
The only valid help Doffy had was Trebol and forcing Bellamy under his control. Trebol never harmed Luffy and only held him down so Doffy could attack Law, and whatever damage Bellamy did could be replicated with Awakening. Therefore, Doflamingo's help is negligible and irrelevant to the topic, since what he accomplished with help he can accomplish on his own. Luffy, on the other hand, cannot replicate the help he got from Law and the gladiators.
It's funny you say Doffy is a coward for running away, yet Luffy spent 20 minutes running away from his Awakened threads WHILE in Gear 4. I bet if I post the page showing "20 minutes later," you'll run away and not reply just like last time when you said the fight was 5 minutes.
He had his full stamina when he arrived at the Palace. He ate after the tournament, so he regained the energy he spent there, and rode a horse and a bull all the way to Doffy, so he didn't have expend any energy getting there.
Wrong, everyone of those factors weakened him you terrible liar. Keep your fanfic scenarios from your replies.
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Like Oda was saying, Luffy was weakened before the one on one fight already started. He fought Cracker all day in comparison to luffy that fought a country all day.
The only valid help Doffy had was Trebol and forcing Bellamy under his control. Trebol never harmed Luffy and only held him down so Doffy could attack Law, and whatever damage Bellamy did could be replicated with Awakening. Therefore, Doflamingo's help is negligible and irrelevant to the topic, since what he accomplished with help he can accomplish on his own. Luffy, on the other hand, cannot replicate the help he got from Law and the gladiators.
None of the gladiators came in contact with doffy himself unlike luffy who fought the gladiators,Gladius , peeka, bellamy, trebol, doffy etc during the whole arc. So the feat doesn't even compare to Law giving Doffy only two significant hits. So you're wrong again at this point, and your body count is way off as anyone else can see.
It's funny you say Doffy is a coward for running away, yet Luffy spent 20 minutes running away from his Awakened threads WHILE in Gear 4. I bet if I post the page showing "20 minutes later," you'll run away and not reply just like last time when you said the fight was 5 minutes.
It's funny how you confuse 10 minutes for 20 minutes and neglect the fact that doffy has been running away since morning to the crack of dawn. But given how biased you are I'm not surprised that it just happened to slip your mind too. Instead of settling things sooner after he cross the arena, he sends peeka to fight luffy and keep him isolated in the castle with trebol. :lol
And I said his fight ended in 5 punches by the way.
Wrong, everyone of those factors weakened him you terrible liar. Keep your fanfic scenarios from your replies.
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Like Oda was saying, Luffy was weakened before the one on one fight already started. He fought Cracker all day in comparison to luffy that fought a country all day.
He was weakened by attacks from Doffy, Doffy's clone, and Bellamy. Nothing prior to that injured him at all. Attacks from Doffy and his clone are obviously damage that would carry over into a 1 vs 1 fight, and the damage dealt by Bellamy can be recreated by Awakened threads. Luffy, however, cannot recreate the damage from Gamma Knife on his own, and have it affect the fight the same way Gamma Knife did.
None of the gladiators came in contact with doffy himself unlike luffy who fought the gladiators,Gladius , peeka, bellamy, trebol, doffy etc during the whole arc. So the feat doesn't even compare to Law giving Doffy only two significant hits. So you're wrong again at this point, and your body count is way off as anyone else can see.
Luffy didn't fight Pica or Gladius. Luffy dealt one attack each to Gladius and Pica, and both of those are part of his mid-tier arsenal(Gear 2 and 3), meaning he didn't exert himself. He regained his energy from fighting the gladiators in the colloseum by eating after his match, so that no longer counts. Trebol never hurt Luffy, he only held him down, so Luffy being weakened when the 1 vs 1 started had no contributions from Trebol. As said before, the injuries Bellamy gave could be recreated with Awakening.
It's funny how you confuse 10 minutes for 20 minutes
]He was weakened by attacks from Doffy, Doffy's clone, and Bellamy. Nothing prior to that injured him at all[/B]. Attacks from Doffy and his clone are obviously damage that would carry over into a 1 vs 1 fight, and the damage dealt by Bellamy can be recreated by Awakened threads. Luffy, however, cannot recreate the damage from Gamma Knife on his own, and have it affect the fight the same way Gamma Knife did.
1.Speculation and false. Luffy was weakened before the fight, so everything should be accounted for even trebol that you discounted as well.
2. gamma knife is an internal injury that destroys an organ from the inside without any external injuries. Using a simple blade can give the same results to that destroyed organ only with an addition external opening.
All the damages received
3. Awakening was too weak to pierce G4 luffy so trying to recreate a one v one situation is useless considering that they already had that battle. Even in a weakened state it still proved useless to deflate luffy, so as a biased fanboy you should dignify that part.
Every damage luffy took since morning, you can't recreate that and expect doflamingo to have a footing with luffy.
Luffy didn't fight Pica or Gladius. Luffy dealt one attack each to Gladius and Pica, and both of those are part of his mid-tier arsenal(Gear 2 and 3), meaning he didn't exert himself. He regained his energy from fighting the gladiators in the colloseum by eating after his match, so that no longer counts. Trebol never hurt Luffy, he only held him down, so Luffy being weakened when the 1 vs 1 started had no contributions from Trebol. As said before, the injuries Bellamy gave could be recreated with Awakening.
He did fight pica especially in the castle, gladius still fought luffy regardless and the weight guy smashed luffy's body while delinger was winding up to kick him when he was down.
Trebol did hurt luffy with sticky launcher combined with exploding mucus, so you're wrong. And when luffy was evading a controlled bellamy, trebol was tag teaming with doffy to take out law.
The fight was always two versus three siding doffy, two versus one siding doffy or one v one being even. Doflamingo was never the one at a disadvantage.
Chapter 785 page 09:
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Chapter 785 page 10, the very next page:
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Chapter 785, page 14, AFTER the 20 minutes have passed and during Riku's speech on Page 10:
:lol luffy was running for 20 minutes? What are you dense?
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Just so I can help your screwed up perception of time. "20 minutes is referred to the advancement of birdcage. And guess what? Birdcage did not start moving until page 781
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So twenty minutes ago from chapter 781 and luffy recharged within 10 minutes of that 20.
1.Speculation and false. Luffy was weakened before the fight, so everything should be accounted for even trebol that you discounted as well.[/B]
Where was Luffy hurt prior to engaging in the 1 vs 1 with Doflamingo by someone that wasn't Doffy's clone or Bellamy?
2. gamma knife is an internal injury that destroys an organ from the inside without any external injuries. Using a simple blade can give the same results to that destroyed organ only with an addition external opening.
One of the panels I linked shows an Awakened thread cutting Luffy and drawing blood. And if Awakened threads can't hurt Luffy, why'd he waste 20 minutes dodging them instead of tanking them? Note that Luffy said right before Doflamingo used Awakening that he was running out of time.
Every damage luffy took since morning, you can't recreate that and expect doflamingo to have a footing with luffy.
He did fight pica especially in the castle, gladius still fought luffy regardless and the weight guy smashed luffy's body while delinger was winding up to kick him when he was down.
He didn't fight Pica, he ran from Pica and hit Pica with a Grizzly Magnum once. He didn't fight Gladius either, he kicked him, and Machvise never actually hit Luffy IIRC.
Trebol did hurt luffy with sticky launcher combined with exploding mucus, so you're wrong. And when luffy was evading a controlled bellamy, trebol was tag teaming with doffy to take out law.
He was smashed by the Giant, dropped on by Machvise, also by chinjao and you're asking when did luffy get hurt prior to his fight?
What? Gamma Knife is a technique that was stronger than all of Luffy's Gear 2 and 3 techniques, and you're comparing it to any and all blades?
No it's not, stop talking. Gamma knife is a technique that damages an organ from the inside. Gamma knife is incapable of showing an output power like this here:
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It's knife a gamma knife. It destroyed an organ from he inside. An organ that is no bigger than your head.
One of the panels I linked shows an Awakened thread cutting Luffy and drawing blood. And if Awakened threads can't hurt Luffy, why'd he waste 20 minutes dodging them instead of tanking them? Note that Luffy said right before Doflamingo used Awakening that he was running out of time.
I'll do something better. How about I give you a starting page and you'll start from there to the one v one fight.
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^ So start here and read like the rest of use. I'm not spoon feeding you pages here.
He didn't fight Pica, he ran from Pica and hit Pica with a Grizzly Magnum once. He didn't fight Gladius either, he kicked him, and Machvise never actually hit Luffy IIRC.
He ran towards peeka and he did fight him if you just so happen to not know what fighting actually means, then by all means look it up. Machvise did make contact with luffy.
The exploding mucus didn't do anything against Luffy. Link the Beta Launcher hurting Luffy?
That's the same chapter I posted, boy. Actually try to understand.
20 minutes of birdcage. 10 minutes of recovering haki. If luffy was away for twenty minutes than the whole country would be dead.
Can you post the scans of these, cuz I don't remember him getting smashed by a giant or Machvise(the latter won't matter anyways, since Luffy is immune to blunt damage, which Machvise dropping on him would be. Moriah's punch broke an entire island in half and didn't even scratch Luffy).
Damage from Chinjao doesn't matter. He ate afterwards, so he recovered the lost stamina and energy.
No it's not, stop talking. Gamma knife is a technique that damages an organ from the inside. Gamma knife is incapable of showing an output power like this here:
Size of the attack doesn't equal greater damage output. Asura: One Mist Silver took down Kaku in one blow, and that attack's area of effect was smaller than Zoro's flying slashes like Tatsumaki or the 108 Pound Phoenix.
Gear 2 and 3 were completely ineffective against Doflamingo, and yet Gamma Knife was able to almost kill Doflamingo. It's power is clearly greater than Gear 2 and 3, which are now the mid-tier of Luffy's arsenal.
It's knife a gamma knife. It destroyed an organ from he inside. An organ that is no bigger than your head.
It destroyed SEVERAL organs. Always stated to be PLURAL organs. Your brain is no bigger than your head. Your heart is only as big as your fist. You think destroying those wouldn't be critical to a fighter?
None of the panels showed luffy getting cut by Gear 4, cut that fanfic fanboy.
All this says is that you can't provide specific examples to prove your argument. You aren't "spoon-feeding" anyone, it's called evidence, and you have zero.
He ran towards peeka and he did fight him if you just so happen to not know what fighting actually means, then by all means look it up. Machvise did make contact with luffy.
That's the same chapter I posted, boy. Actually try to understand.
20 minutes of birdcage. 10 minutes of recovering haki. If luffy was away for twenty minutes than the whole country would be dead.
It's funny you say Doffy is a coward for running away, yet Luffy spent 20 minutes running away from his Awakened threads WHILE in Gear 4. I bet if I post the page showing "20 minutes later," you'll run away and not reply just like last time when you said the fight was 5 minutes.
No one was talking about the ten minutes that Luffy spent recovering from Gear 4, I'm talking about the 20 minutes he spent IN Gear 4 and ducking from the Awakened threads in THIS page.
Can you post the scans of these, cuz I don't remember him getting smashed by a giant or Machvise(the latter won't matter anyways, since Luffy is immune to blunt damage, which Machvise dropping on him would be. Moriah's punch broke an entire island in half and didn't even scratch Luffy).
Actual shut the **** up with that bullshit because that's just garbage. Especially after the latest chapter revealing that luffy runs out of stamina even after he keeps eating.
Size of the attack doesn't equal greater damage output. Asura: One Mist Silver took down Kaku in one blow, and that attack's area of effect was smaller than Zoro's flying slashes like Tatsumaki or the 108 Pound Phoenix.
One blow, oh this is priceless. Because all the other initial attacks just didn't matter or exist right?
And I said damage output genius. Not the size of the initial attack. Look at the result of each attack and compare it for **** sakes.
1. 108 pound phoenix sliced a wall cloud but Asura took out a huge Rankyaku twice zoro's size and a giraffe three times that size.
2. Gama knife destroys an organ the size of my fist but Grizzly mangum took out peeka's face which is bigger than a whole castle/palace.
You can see the huge difference in output damage, that's the only size that matters. The outcome. Not the size of the attack itself.
Gear 2 and 3 were completely ineffective against Doflamingo, and yet Gamma Knife was able to almost kill Doflamingo. It's power is clearly greater than Gear 2 and 3, which are now the mid-tier of Luffy's arsenal.
Gear 2 sent doffy flying and doffy literally dodge taking a direct hit from G3 three.
And how dense do you have to be to say that doffy almost died from gamma knife when doffy was about to claw law's face off after gamma knife.
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It destroyed SEVERAL organs. Always stated to be PLURAL organs. Your brain is no bigger than your head. Your heart is only as big as your fist. You think destroying those wouldn't be critical to a fighter?
Again, no bigger than your head my point still stands even if it's a bunch of small organs the size of my fingers.
Well no shit it's critical, you can use a pocket knife and replicate the same damage feat and it's still critical. So my question here is "and what?"
You're telling me that grizzly magnum can't smash organs and much more?
No damage otherwise luffy would be deflated and covered in blood fanboy. That's clearly not blood.
All this says is that you can't provide specific examples to prove your argument. You aren't "spoon-feeding" anyone, it's called evidence, and you have zero.
Yes it does, they are literally in the middle of the fire.
You're special as ****, aren't you? Lemme re-quote it for you so you know what I'm talking about.
No one was talking about the ten minutes that Luffy spent recovering from Gear 4, I'm talking about the 20 minutes he spent IN Gear 4 and ducking from the Awakened threads in THIS page.
See the retarded stupid ****ery you posted here? The only time Luffy was in the run was during 10 MINUTES. The rest of the fight was him throwing doflamingo all around time. Because apparently this is running to you right?
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Which happened in the span of twenty minuntes.
But luffy literally running after a fleeing doffy just didn't happen either right?
We've yet to know if it was situational due to being full of biscuits or if tankman is really a mode and in which case how it really looks like
We've yet to know if it's a mode he can even fight in or if it remains stabil waiting for incoming attacks to deflect them
All in all then, we know so little of the mode i'm not going to say anything for now
All i know is that it seems to be greater in defense than Boundman and that the reflective cannon ball was stronger than any Boundman technique outside of King Kong Gun, or at least when he is full.
I wonder why Cracker didn't use haki in his pretzel attacks though
We've yet to know if it was situational due to being full of biscuits or if tankman is really a mode and in which case how it really looks like
We've yet to know if it's a mode he can even fight in or if it remains stabil waiting for incoming attacks to deflect them
All in all then, we know so little of the mode i'm not going to say anything for now
All i know is that it seems to be greater in defense than Boundman and that the reflective cannon ball was stronger than any Boundman technique outside of King Kong Gun, or at least when he is full.
I wonder why Cracker didn't use haki in his pretzel attacks though
And everytime we saw him using it, he used the hardening application, so it still makes no sense he forgot using it before intending to counter Tankman
And everytime we saw him using it, he used the hardening application, so it still makes no sense he forgot using it before intending to counter Tankman
And everytime we saw him using it, he used the hardening application, so it still makes no sense he forgot using it before intending to counter Tankman
