Taliban attack Karachi Airport, 21 killed in clashes
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Yeah the Muslims in the middle ages were super good guys, when they conquered countries they letted us (the Europeans) live like normal people, have their own religion and we only needed to pay higher taxes, while the Europeans would go to the Middle East kill and rape all Muslims...agreed..even though i am MUSLIM
Now the extremist government and terrorrists are getting too much power
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LOL so true. Islam is in a sorry state right now its embarrassing and thats coming from a Muslim.
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Please do not start discussion about what religion is better than the others, because none is better. Like flavours, not everyone has the same preference and you cannot fight about which one tastes better, that is just nonsense. Not all people from one religion are the same, every religious group has people that do bad things, but you cannot judge the whole religion by it.
This thread is to discuss the terrorist attack, not the religion behind it. Please keep to the topic and keep racist and insulting comments to yourself.
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That being said, anything off topic after this post will result in infraction.
This thread is to discuss the terrorist attack, not the religion behind it. Please keep to the topic and keep racist and insulting comments to yourself.
Respect each other, if you cannot do that then do not post.
That being said, anything off topic after this post will result in infraction.
Although this is a very sad news it's not surprising. Everyone knows [I hope] that Pakistan is one of the most dangerous places around to be in. This News got coverage because an airport was involved but there's daily bombing and killing happening in that country.
Great job flushing out terrorists quickly
It was amusing to see on social networks that pakistanis saying that the glorious taliban was used by India/US/Isreal and how they will take revenge just like those talibanis would say...
It was amusing to see on social networks that pakistanis saying that the glorious taliban was used by India/US/Isreal and how they will take revenge just like those talibanis would say...
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Terrorism is a tactic.
The Taliban are akin go the Mafia, Yakuza, or KGB in the post-soviet block.
Of course, one must recognize that Islam is very open to exploitation by these 'mafia' political structures. It was a religion designed under the concept of regional conquest.
Christianity is not immune to it, either - but the advent of the printing press and widespread literacy pretty much shattered the rigid structure of the Catholic Church and the control it had over interpretation of the scriptures.
The Koran did not fare so well. Even in the more enlightened cultures, women are considered second rate citizens and the entire setup is prone to authoritarian power structures due to the emphasis on submission and the context that human lives are akin to tools for God.
Though there isn't much guidance on how a tool is to figure out what it is supposed to do for God... which is why organizations like the Taliban can so easily use the religion to convince people to blow themselves up. They're suffering, pissed, and told that some unholy people are to blame. They don't have to spell it out - the context fills in all of the blanks.
That isn't to say that every muslim believes in using violence or condones the acts of terrorism perpetrated by the populous in the troubled regions.
Kobak, your region (if I am correct), has an interesting history with the Orthodox Christians and the Ottoman Muslims. Christians lived peacefully within the Ottoman empire for quite some time. Sure, they weren't allowed to own/ride horses, and were second-rate - but they weren't exterminated or forced to convert (though marriages across ethnic or religious lines got interesting, particularly with the Catholic Church expanding from Italy).
Of course, the Ottomans were doing the exact same thing the U.S. is doing, now... and they went broke. Then you had Mustafa and all kinds of fun with the formation of Bosnia-Herzegovina. God Forbid farmers sell their crops before they rot awaiting tax appraisal.
I believe that sets the appropriate context for Islam and how the chips ultimately fall when a society is built around it.
When I was in the UAE - foreigners were given a sort of stay of punishment for violating Sharia Law. Unless you just went out of your way to taunt them. Coin speaks louder than scripture (in both good and bad ways). That said - they'd nail their citizens for it, and many of the contract workers from third world nations would simply be deported.
We (Americans, British, Russians) were tolerated because we had the 'high ground' and were dealing with people who valued mercantile pursuits over piety.
My dealings with U.S. Muslims, while never threatening, have indicated a certain blindness to the vulnerabilities of their own religion.
At least in our society, we have Nazism and the Crusades shoved in our face so routinely that we are used to the idea that our religion has been utilized irresponsibly. Or Westboro 'baptists.' We read "The Crucible" as part of most high school literature courses (though I argue that it is not so much about the hazards of religious piety so much as the reality that people will manipulate authority to destroy each other... but that's a bit much to get people who have been indoctrinated into state-worship for ten years of their life to understand). We're told of the witch hunts and the book burnings. Pretty much - we're told that if we were raised Christian, we're fundamentally evil and should hang ourselves by the tentacles of the spaghetti monster.
So we kind of get used to the idea that flawed ideology exists in our religion.
Try having that conversation with a U.S. Muslim - and all of a sudden we get reminded of the crusades, book burnings, the Muslim attempts to preserve the Roman accomplishments, etc.
*shrug*
Which is why I'm not really apt to let them off the hook for the behavior of their kin overseas. It doesn't help that a number of their mosques funnel money back over to these same organizations pledging to kill us and enslave the local populations of their countries to produce opium.
.... Of course, anymore, our federal government does that, too... so I feel like the continent I used to live on all of a sudden became an island.
At least Russia/Putin are consistent. I may not like their way of dealing with things... but you have a pretty good idea of how they are going to go about things when they get involved. We're a complete and total wildcard that you have to re-draw every 'turn' you have us in your hand.
I heard the news, simply an awful and tragic event. Peace be upon the ones deceased from the event and I send my sincerest condolences to their family. It always brings sadness to me when events like this occur
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Interesting post. I think the "no true Scotsman" fallacy applies to these terrorists and their religion. Still sad news, and I hope everything gets sorted out with the families, etc.
Interesting post. I think the "no true Scotsman" fallacy applies to these terrorists and their religion. Still sad news, and I hope everything gets sorted out with the families, etc.
Dont take me other way but in a way it IS kinda general Muslim publics's fault .... Can you deny that in Pakistan nearly all political measures are born out of hate, fear and suspicion ... Its no wonder the Taliban got such a firm hold on the public which is further reinforced by misuse of religious teaching. Right here some of the Good Muslim people were highly offended by a slightly insensitive joke ..... But how many of them are seriously insulted by these vermin Taliban spitting on their religion, and make their anger publicly known? Untill and unless you Good Muslims people stand up against those vermin seriously and publicly with zeal, the Extremists will only gain more power. Just saying 'they are not True Muslims' doesnt make them disappear and change the fact they are misguided people.
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And as a Muslim myself this news is utterly devastating, I cannot describe in words how sad this all is, considering the fact that senseless killing is a crime in Quran, even taking your own life is not permitted in Islam, let alone the life of innocent individuals and such. In a country where there is so much political corruption and the strong and rich men lead the weak and poor, such accommodations are hard to endure, mostly, no actions are commenced, and to say, Hard to fight against when most of the population lives in fear and terror against the common enemy, and from what I've heard the military didn't even try to take any reasonable action over matters such as these.