Take Sasuke out of his element and he's still good.

[Rikudou Tobi]

Take Sasuke out of his element and he's still good. (no sharingan with no supporters)

His Taijutsu (before Lee) beat chuunins and pushed jounins mid diff.

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His ninjutsus without his sharingan is still amazing and at a young age he had more chakra than others.
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And we know his shurikenjutsu was inherited by the great itachi along with being an Uchiha naturally makes you inherit the six path yin power.

This ability is enough to make him a low jounin, add the sharingan and you can imagine how powerful he really is.

 

[Guntah]

Take Sasuke out of his element and he's still fairly decent.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Take Sasuke out of his element and he's still fairly decent.

He's still beyond decent. Look at his jutsus, he beat two chuunins with his taijutsu alone. His jutsus put jounins on edge and zabuza who's one of the famous shinobis in the world was surprised.

 

[wanderingcactus]

this thread is pointless...

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ok now lets stop wanking

 

[Guntah]

He's still beyond decent. Look at his jutsus, he beat two chuunins with his taijutsu alone. His jutsus put jounins on edge and zabuza who's one of the famous shinobis in the world was surprised.

You're right, I agree that he's beyond decent. He's fairly decent.

For the levels Naruto was eventually brought up to with the main character fighting gods, this really isn't that impressive.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

this thread is pointless...

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ok now lets stop wanking

And there he is using the rinnegan. I said Sasuke out of his element, meaning no ocular uses.

You're right, I agree that he's beyond decent. He's fairly decent.

For the levels Naruto was eventually brought up to with the main character fighting gods, this really isn't that impressive.

Beyond is still much greater than fairly, so I don't really get why you're repeating it.
And naruto fighting "gods" is just you praising sagemode/kyuubi naruto to regular base sasuke.
You can't find naruto doing anything like that.

 

[90sKids98]

He is a prodigy so... Thanks for the obvious

 

[Styles]

Agreed. But who said otherwise.....never mind.

 

[Guntah]

Beyond is still much greater than fairly, so I don't really get why you're repeating it.
And naruto fighting "gods" is just you praising sagemode/kyuubi naruto to regular base sasuke.
You can't find naruto doing anything like that.

That's cause Naruto can't survive without the Kyuubi. How do you expect him to show what he can do without it when its always inside of him, both holding him back and driving him forward depending on the situation.

Its just as pointless as showing what Sasuke can do without his eyes.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

That's cause Naruto can't survive without the Kyuubi. How do you expect him to show what he can do without it when its always inside of him, both holding him back and driving him forward depending on the situation.

Its just as pointless as showing what Sasuke can do without his eyes.

I just showed you everything Sasuke can do without his sharingan/rinnegan in the OP.

 

[Guntah]

I just showed you everything Sasuke can do without his sharingan/rinnegan in the OP.

Exactly.

 

[wanderingcactus]

And there he is using the rinnegan. I said Sasuke out of his element, meaning no ocular uses.

Beyond is still much greater than fairly, so I don't really get why you're repeating it.
And naruto fighting "gods" is just you praising sagemode/kyuubi naruto to regular base sasuke.
You can't find naruto doing anything like that.

that 2nd gif is basically using his less dominant hand considering he lost his arm to Naruto.

not really his Ameno ability.

In any case.. this is a wank thread. and its a given that any ninja especially that can go up against Kage level and higher can easily be put out of their element and still be good.

I think only jounin and below are the ones that could ever have a hard time when put out of their element.

hence this thread is pointless

 

[Ricardo]

Gonna quote myself on this one

Also, even if people say that Naruto only used BSM on the Boruto the movie, i find really impressive that Sasuke's body can match such power since Sasuke's power comes from the eyes and not the physical ability (body).

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Exactly.

You said it's as pointless as sasuke not using his ocular ability. If it was pointless, then sasuke wouldn't be able to use these techniques without their eyes to get your address across. I think you worded wrong so it's a bit confusing.

I used part 1 feats, I'm sure you'll find that one time Naruto didn't use the kyuubi's chakra.

that 2nd gif is basically using his less dominant hand considering he lost his arm to Naruto.

not really his Ameno ability.

In any case.. this is a wank thread. and its a given that any ninja especially that can go up against Kage level and higher can easily be put out of their element and still be good.

I think only jounin and below are the ones that could ever have a hard time when put out of their element.

hence this thread is pointless

And many people believe that Sasuke is not on that level without his eyes, making the issue subjective. My thread is to sway the viewers and show that Sasuke is indeed low jounin without his eyes hence making this thread useful.

Gonna quote myself on this one

His normal body was able to keep up with naruto but I'm sure people will say senju/juugo cells thing.

 

[Guntah]

You said it's as pointless as sasuke not using his ocular ability. If it was pointless, then sasuke wouldn't be able to use these techniques without their eyes to get your address across. I think you worded wrong so it's a bit confusing.

I used part 1 feats, I'm sure you'll find that one time Naruto didn't use the kyuubi's chakra.

Against Kiba. Everything else one would argue that Kyuubi chakra was leaking into his system or something.

But what I'm trying to say is...what is the point of stripping a character of his biggest power source and giving them a level based on that?Sure, Sasuke is capable of doing stuff without his dojutsu. And?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Against Kiba. Everything else one would argue that Kyuubi chakra was leaking into his system or something.

But what I'm trying to say is...what is the point of stripping a character of his biggest power source and giving them a level based on that?Sure, Sasuke is capable of doing stuff without his dojutsu. And?

And the message was sent. People till this days still disagree and swear that Sasuke is not capable of this level without his eyes. If I made a thread about Itachi instead of Sasuke with the same topic, then you complain.

He used beat a chuunin in the first episode no kyuubi chakra. You can point out the rasenshuuriken too. If you do your research you'll find a few things I'm sure but Sasuke is still more advance

 

[Guntah]

And the message was sent. People till this days still disagree and swear that Sasuke is not capable of this level without his eyes. If I made a thread about Itachi instead of Sasuke with the same topic, then you complain.

He used beat a chuunin in the first episode no kyuubi chakra. You can point out the rasenshuuriken too. If you do your research you'll find a few things I'm sure but Sasuke is still more advance

What's the point? Sasuke's dojutsu might not entirely come from his own power, but each evolution of it was still a result of him proving his power or going through hardships to gain it. The only debatable one in this is the EMS, but even then, he defeated Itachi for it, so its valid.

 

[Simbv]

Sasuke would be Mid-Jonin level without any ocular techniques. It's just the truth.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

What's the point? Sasuke's dojutsu might not entirely come from his own power, but each evolution of it was still a result of him proving his power or going through hardships to gain it. The only debatable one in this is the EMS, but even then, he defeated Itachi for it, so its valid.

Why are you asking me this question? I'm just measuring Sasuke's success at base which most people would disagree that he's around jounin at base. If you already agree, then good.

EMS was a borrowed power but its only use was to deter the side effects from getting blind while fighting side by side by naruto. If not for the blindness risk/strain, he wouldn't need an eternal transplant.

 

[Godara Uchiha]

Sasuke base speed is god like...he was fast ass hell in early part 2 and once he got the ms he slowed down now we know 3 tomoe is when sasuke had his god like speed but the sharingan doesn't increase speed nor physical abilities so it was his natural speed that allowed him to be that fast...

Take away the sharingan

He would still be able to summon snakes and still be a sword master and still be one of the fastest shinobi, still be great at ninjutsu, he would still be able to use chidori and it's variants just not as refined as they are with the sharingan and he would still have top tier battle tactics, and still be very intelligent...

I believe he would be high jonin if not low kage level, kakashi at a young age was jonin and was a one trick pony with the raikiri and sasuke without eyes would shit on that version of kakashi so if kakashi was a jonin then sasuke would wreck...I feel like a no do jutsu sasuke would wreck early part 2 kakashi...

Itachi is the same way, and I believe kakashi is the same way...the sharingan hurts the user just as much as a bijuu hinders it's host at first...because the user relies on the ms jutsu instead of actual skill and battle tactics...3 tomoe oro absorbed sasuke was brilliant to watch in battle but as soon as he got ms he was sloppy and didn't think much just spammed ms jutsu and didn't even move fast anymore...Kakashi was a jonin at like 13 years old I think and that's without the sharingan so imagine how much more powerful he would have been without the sharingan, granted it game him his renown name and fame but at the same time kakashi may could have been another hiruzen type of shinobi but is cap without the sharingan would be weaker than his cap with the sharingan, like no matter how powerful a dojutsu less kakashi became he still would be weaker than war arc kakashi just because of ms and it's jutsu kamui...


The sharingan gives anybody a higher ceiling to reach, it increases your potential, that doesn't mean you are gonna be great but you just have the potential to do so and it makes it easier to do so