Tailed beast shockwave/roar can counter Amaterasu [Please read first]

[KCMNaruto]

Hello guys, I would like to prove that Tailed beast shockwave/roar can counter Amaterasu/black flames technique.

Many people argue that Tailed beast schokwave/ roar is not legit and effective counter to Amaterasu/black flames technique due to spreading just forward from Kurama's or Kyuubi mode Naruto's jaw and spreading forward as in these examples:

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and we know that Shinra tensei/almighty push used by Nagato to repel Amaterasu/black flames out of his body as here:

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works by pushing everything away from Nagato's body which work as epicenter.


Proof number 1 :

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^^ See..., Kyuubi as chakra manifestion inside Naruto roars and the area of bridge around Naruto get pushed/affected by roar spreading in all directions, not just one.

Proof number 2 :

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^^ Naruto in 3 tailed kyuubi mode uses Sonic roar which spread in all directions destroying completly center of the bridge. If it was moving just forward then only Kabuto would be repelled while bridge should stay unmoved/unharmed.

Actually Enton could be problem:

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^^ It is able to make black flames solid and dense. It could make much harder for sonic roar to throw away black flames from the body, not even mentioning that it could harm/hurt much worse. Sasuke could also stick it to Naruto's body but idk... this thread is not about enton by amaterasu alone.


Conclusion : Tailed beast sonic roar/shockwave is great counter for Amaterasu.

Thanks for reading !
KCM Naruto

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

The flames would still be there since they can only be put out by the person who created them,so the chakra roar would just make them spread.

 

[-immortal-]

very nice thread. i think the nine tails roar can

 

[KCMNaruto]

The flames would still be there since they can only be put out by the person who created them,so the chakra roar would just make them spread.

Wrong... Shinra Tensei made your point invalid and by posting manga panel where Sonic roar spread in all directions cause circular shaped explosion that Tailed beast roar works similliar to Shinra Tensei.

Conclusion: Yes it can

If you disagree then fine but argue with the manga and author

very nice thread. i think the nine tails roar can

Thanks and I am glad you agree

 

[Dantee]

I thought about this but it's not the same as shinra tensei. Shinra tensei manipulates gravity. The roar is a physical push. It would only help the flames.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Wrong... Shinra Tensei made your point invalid and by posting manga panel where Sonic roar spread in all directions cause circular shaped explosion that Tailed beast roar works similliar to Shinra Tensei.

Conclusion: Yes it can

If you disagree then fine but argue with the manga and author



Thanks and I am glad you agree

Shinra Tensei is a intense surge of gravity,the chakra roar is a massive push so all it would do is make the Amaterasu flames spread even more.

 

[KCMNaruto]

I thought about this but it's not the same as shinra tensei. Shinra tensei manipulates gravity. The roar is a physical push. It would only help the flames.

How ? please explain.

So far only issue about sonic roar countering Amaterasu was spreading just in forward direction from it's jaw... but I proved it can spread in all directions. It means it can push black flames from entire body and move it away.

The roar is not physical, it is pressured schockwave

It will not help flames, proof:

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^^ According to you... flames should spread around and nothing more... yet they are clearly pushed as shown in the manga.

Shinra Tensei is a intense surge of gravity,the chakra roar is a massive push so all it would do is make the Amaterasu flames spread even more.

False as proven by this scan:

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^^ see the manga and author disagrees with you

 

[accept pain]

amaterasu is not a big deal for naruto because naruto has kage bunshin

 

[NovaSasuke]

I think only the Juubi roar can repel the Amaterasu flames.... since it is a combined monster from 9 monsters that has all their abilities such as the kyuubi roar to withstand the heat.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

How ? please explain.

So far only issue about sonic roar countering Amaterasu was spreading just in forward direction from it's jaw... but I proved it can spread in all directions. It means it can push black flames from entire body and move it away.

The roar is not physical, it is pressured schockwave

It will not help flames, proof:

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^^ According to you... flames should spread around and nothing more... yet they are clearly pushed as shown in the manga.



False as proven by this scan:

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^^ see the manga and author disagrees with you

That was regular fire.Amaterasu can't be put by anything unless the user wants it to or someone can nullify or absorb the flames.

 

[Dantee]

How ? please explain.

So far only issue about sonic roar countering Amaterasu was spreading just in forward direction from it's jaw... but I proved it can spread in all directions. It means it can push black flames from entire body and move it away.

The roar is not physical, it is pressured schockwave

It will not help flames, proof:

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^^ According to you... flames should spread around and nothing more... yet they are clearly pushed as shown in the manga.

In that scan the flames were traveling and put out by the roar, not pushed back. Amaterasu follows different mechanics. Where it doesn't travel and can't be put out by simple means. A roar won't be enough to stop Amaterasu, especially if it's already attached to him.

 

[KCMNaruto]

That was regular fire.Amaterasu can't be put by anything unless the user wants it to or someone can nullify or absorb the flames.

Again wrong:

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^^ Nagato's Shinra Tensei disagree -> Debunked

In that scan the flames were traveling and put out by the roar, not pushed back. Amaterasu follows different mechanics. Where it doesn't travel and can't be put out by simple means. A roar won't be enough to stop Amaterasu, especially if it's already attached to him.

But it can and will. Bolded part exactly and that what I meant. Black flames will be put out or thrown/blasted away by the roar, there is no need to push it back. Underline part, but Nagato using Shinra Tensei proven it can...if roar works similliar to Shinra Tensei then it can.

Also yet Temari's wind technique could move them at least:

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^^ There is no reason for me to doubt it. Unless Enton comes into play which make it very hard to almost impossible to work.

 

[Dantee]

Again wrong:

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^^ Nagato's Shinra Tensei disagree -> Debunked



But it can and will. Bolded part exactly and that what I meant. Black flames will be put out or thrown/blasted away by the roar, there is no need to push it back. Underline part, but Nagato using Shinra Tensei proven it can...if roar works similliar to Shinra Tensei then it can.

Shinra Tensei isn't a shockwave. It manipulates gravity itself. Nagato pushed the black flames because of his deva abilities. A roar does not equate to gravity. They aren't identical. Amaterasu cannot be extenguished by any means. I don't see the roar dispersing amaterasu like you've shown. There is a lack of proof comparing normal fire to amaterasu and shinra tensei to a roar.

 

[VongolaX]

Only kyuubi can use the shockwave, so it would work.

Shrina tensei is a repelling force <----that is all

So I agree with OP to an extent.

 

[Uchihareborn207]

Nagato was only able to push amaterasu away because of shinra tensei (he controlled the mass of the flames) and if it was a shock wave it would not have worked.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Hello guys, I would like to prove that Tailed beast shockwave/roar can counter Amaterasu/black flames technique.

Many people argue that Tailed beast schokwave/ roar is not legit and effective counter to Amaterasu/black flames technique due to spreading just forward from Kurama's or Kyuubi mode Naruto's jaw and spreading forward as in these examples:

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and we know that Shinra tensei/almighty push used by Nagato to repel Amaterasu/black flames out of his body as here:

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works by pushing everything away from Nagato's body which work as epicenter.


Proof number 1 :

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^^ See..., Kyuubi as chakra manifestion inside Naruto roars and the area of bridge around Naruto get pushed/affected by roar spreading in all directions, not just one.

Proof number 2 :

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^^ Naruto in 3 tailed kyuubi mode uses Sonic roar which spread in all directions destroying completly center of the bridge. If it was moving just forward then only Kabuto would be repelled while bridge should stay unmoved/unharmed.

Actually Enton could be problem:

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^^ It is able to make black flames solid and dense. It could make much harder for sonic roar to throw away black flames from the body, not even mentioning that it could harm/hurt much worse. Sasuke could also stick it to Naruto's body but idk... this thread is not about enton by amaterasu alone.


Conclusion : Tailed beast sonic roar/shockwave is great counter for Amaterasu.

Thanks for reading !
KCM Naruto

I agree that it would push Amaterasu away, thus not being harmed, but not that it would put Amaterasu out. Only know ways to make it disappear is to absorb, seal, it burns whatever it hits or burns for the 7 days 7 night. The roar shockwave and ST are pretty much the same in how it repels but Nagato can actively target what he wants to push or pull while the shockwave just push in front or at all sides.

The flames that are blown back would spread unless they hit something like trees, if they fell on the floor that's not grassy then they'll just stay there until they're put out, sealed or 7 days has passed. As for Enton, we don't know how strong the shape manipulation is, it's still flames that are made into spikes. Enton darts didn't do nothing to Gaara's sand. Sasuke usually combines it with his arrows or sword for it to make real physical damage.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Did the roar blew naruto's cloth off? No? Then its not gonna work.

 

[Smd]

this thread is flawed.

but nice try.

fire ninjutsu and amatersu arnt the same

 

[KCMNaruto]

Shinra Tensei isn't a shockwave. It manipulates gravity itself. Nagato pushed the black flames because of his deva abilities. A roar does not equate to gravity. They aren't identical. Amaterasu cannot be extenguished by any means. I don't see the roar dispersing amaterasu like you've shown. There is a lack of proof comparing normal fire to amaterasu and shinra tensei to a roar.

Shinra Tensei is just push using gravity force while Sonic roar is basically the same push but uses air movement. Black flames will be thrown/blasted away by the roar.. Underline part, but Nagato using Shinra Tensei proven it can...if roar works similliar to Shinra Tensei then it can.

Also yet Temari's wind technique could move them at least:

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^^ There is no reason for me to doubt it. Unless Enton comes into play which make it very hard to almost impossible to work.

Only kyuubi can use the shockwave, so it would work.

Shrina tensei is a repelling force <----that is all

So I agree with OP to an extent.

^^ Thanks, man

Nagato was only able to push amaterasu away because of shinra tensei (he controlled the mass of the flames) and if it was a shock wave it would not have worked.

Wrong, Push is push so only difference between Shinra Tensei and sonic roar as way how they use push. Shinra tensei pushes enemy by using gravity force while sonic roar uses air pressure movement.

Give me proof that it can not or was stated that it cannot or your argument is baseless while I backed up my points

I agree that it would push Amaterasu away, thus not being harmed, but not that it would put Amaterasu out. Only know ways to make it disappear is to absorb, seal, it burns whatever it hits or burns for the 7 days 7 night. The roar shockwave and ST are pretty much the same in how it repels but Nagato can actively target what he wants to push or pull while the shockwave just push in front or at all sides.

The flames that are blown back would spread unless they hit something like trees, if they fell on the floor that's not grassy then they'll just stay there until they're put out, sealed or 7 days has passed. As for Enton, we don't know how strong the shape manipulation is, it's still flames that are made into spikes. Enton darts didn't do nothing to Gaara's sand. Sasuke usually combines it with his arrows or sword for it to make real physical damage.

^^ I agree almost completly with you

Bolded part, I am not sure about it... The fire spreads using burn able stuff or oxygen in air... but Schockwave works as just shockwave which spread in all directions taking everything away which it met at it's way.

Did the roar blew naruto's cloth off? No? Then its not gonna work.

^^ Nice try.. but Shinra Tensei did not blow Deva Path's off while using Shinra Tensei so this example and argument is flawled

this thread is flawed.

but nice try.

fire ninjutsu and amatersu arnt the same

Thanks but Really ? let's see what the 3rd databook think about it:

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^^The Highest fire style jutsu Amaterasu.

Debunked your argument, try again