[VS] Taijutsu, Ninjutsu, Genjutsu Showndown

[AGoodBoy]

Important! Read the brief in the spoiler first!

Spoiler

Brief

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Three Savant's cross paths one day; A Taijutsu, genjutsu and ninjutsu savant.

These 3 people can't do any style other than what they specialize in and they know every technique connected with that style.

So, that means;

• The ninjutsu specialist is completely retarded to taijutsu and genjutsu - he can try to break/avoid a genjutsu, with basic means such as no eye contact or manipulate his chakra flow, but he can't use any form of genjutsu nor taijutsu; not even throwing a punch or a kick. The only way he knows how to 'block' is with some form of defensive jutsu or basic evasion skills. He doesn't know his arms and legs provide block/counter functionality.
• The taijutsu specialist is retarded to both ninjutsu and genjutsu - as per the ninjutsu specialist, he can also attempt basic genjutsu breaking/avoidance skills, but he can't use any ninjutsu(think of rock lee).
• The genjutsu specialist can't do anything outside of an illusion apart from running for his life; Like the ninjutsu specialist, he doesn't know how to block/counter. The only thing he knows how to do with his arms is form genjutsu seals, and the only thing he knows how to do with his legs is run. Inside his genjutsu, however, the world is his oyster and he can do whatever he pleases to torture/kill his opponent.

Skillset

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I'll list a few of the skills each fighter knows, but their skillset is only limited to what's used in the manga.

Note: Every fighter has rinnegan and Sage mode so there's no body or visual precog advantages. And no fighter is allowed to use any form of sealing ability; whether weaponry, scroll or jutsu.

These fighters 'can' also use Rinnegan path abilities, however you need to prove that said path ability falls in line with their fighting style. So, Ninjutsu fighter can only use Limbo if you can prove it's a ninjutsu, or Taijutsu fighter can use Asura if you can prove it's a taijutsu style, etc.

Genjutsu Magician	Ninjutsu Warrior	Taijutsu Savant
Uchiha Forbiden Gen Izanagi/Izanami. However eyes aren't locked. Izanagi last 10 mins per eye and there's a 1 hr cooldown period where any other visual genjutsu can be used during it. ​	S/T Jutsu ​ Kamui(both), FTG, s/t barrier	Fight Style Mastery Hyuuga's Gentle fist, Guy's Strong fist, Tsunade's style, Frog kata, Drunken fist, etc. ​
Itachi's Genjutsu lineup and KA tsukuyomi, finger gen, KA(1hr cooldown per use), etc. ​	EMS ninjutsu ​ enton, PS, magatamas, etc	Weapons Mastery Projectile throwing skills on the level of tenten. Can use Raiton/fuuton infused weapons and bee's 7 sword play. ​
Trollkage's mist illusion This fighter gets the clam to do this gen only. ​	All Elemental KKG's Lava, Magma, wood, ice, etc. ​	8 Inner Gates Can use 8th gate without dying. Suffers as much strain as guy when he opens gates, except only suffers 7th gate strain on 8th. ​
Frog Song summon fused Ma & Pa for frog song only. They're retarded to everything else. ​	All Elemental jutsu Fire, water, wind, lightning, earth. Yin/Yang omnyoudon. ​	Ninja Tools Has a scroll with access to every weapon in NV. That includes all 7 swordsmen weapons, Kusanagi, sage tools, and any other weapon with no sealing abilities. ​

And of course, any other shown skill in the manga that falls under the fighter's skillset.

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Location: Team gai vs current madara

Distance: Distance between hokage when they used hokage barrier

Intent: Kill

Restrictions: Sealing jutsu of any form, and any skill outside their 'style', as per the brief.

-> I'll also restrict Infinite Tsukuyomi for the genjutsu fighter; If the genjutsu fighter is at a disadvantage, however, Infinite Tsukuyomi is unrestricted.

-> Bonus round: A sealing specialist joins the fray wielding totsuka, amber pot and the ability to use any sealing jutsu. Can he win?

*don't forget to vote in poll

 

[Inert Brian]

In Naruto genjutsu has been portrayed as the strongest of the 3.

If Gai wants to go 8 gates against Itachi and Obito, then have at it. Both can use perfect Izanagi.

 

[paratise]

Uhh taijutsu user blitzes them with 8th gate? dunno how the nin/genjutsu specialists react to that to make something in their defense.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Uhh taijutsu user blitzes them with 8th gate? dunno how the nin/genjutsu specialists react to that to make something in their defense.

Please read the brief.

The genjutsu user has at most 20 mins of izanagi per hour. That's enough to survive dying 1million times to 8th gate blitzes seeing as it probably doesn't last that long...

Ninjutsu specialist has omnyoudon, PS, Kamui, FTG and a shit load other jutsu defence...

They both can survive a blitz. Don't overlook anything in the brief, and don't forget everyone's reaction time is greatly enhanced with SM + rinnegan.

 

[Draphsin]

Ninjutsu specialist takes this comfortably.

Shinsuusenju, PS, dual kamui, kage bunshins, multi kage bunshins, flight, summoning jutsus, etc..

Tai & gen have nothing on this kind of power. & The sealer doesn't change that.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Ninjutsu specialist takes this comfortably.

Shinsuusenju, PS, dual kamui, kage bunshins, multi kage bunshins, flight, summoning jutsus, etc..

Tai & gen have nothing on this kind of power. & The sealer doesn't change that.

fair enough.

But, what if Genjutsu fighter uses both his izanagi and preps Frog song during those 20 mins? none of that can defend against it though?
Or, what about Taijutsu fighter in 8th gate with gentle fist techs? None of that can hit him surely? And 8th gate strength enhanced with tsunade's strength tech would surely bring down even a PS or Shinshuu?

 

[Yolobito Swagchiha]

I'd say Genjutsu has quite the chance in this one, though I'm leaning a bit more towards Ninjutsu.

 

[AGoodBoy]

I'd say Genjutsu has quite the chance in this one, though I'm leaning a bit more towards Ninjutsu.

why you say that?
No one's making an argument for their chosen fighter :T_T:

 

[Draphsin]

fair enough.

But, what if Genjutsu fighter uses both his izanagi and preps Frog song during those 20 mins? none of that can defend against it though?
Or, what about Taijutsu fighter in 8th gate with gentle fist techs? None of that can hit him surely? And 8th gate strength enhanced with tsunade's strength tech would surely bring down even a PS or Shinshuu?

Flight would render most genjutsus rather useless, however the only defense for frog song would be to level the battlefield to prevent it from activating.

& For the taijutsu, with those enhancements I can see it pushing PS back but I doubt it would be utterly destroyed, same with shinsuu.

Honestly some jutsus are just too powerful to be countered by only using tai & gen.

 

[Inert Brian]

Perfect Susano'o is stomped by 8 gates, but the user dies in the process so 8 gates kind of blows tbh.

Perfect Susano'o has no counter to sound genjutsus which were stated to be the deadliest.

Tsukuyomi can 1 shot anyone that's a non Uchiha.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Flight would render most genjutsus rather useless, however the only defense for frog song would be to level the battlefield to prevent it from activating.

& For the taijutsu, with those enhancements I can see it pushing PS back but I doubt it would be utterly destroyed, same with shinsuu.

Honestly some jutsus are just too powerful to be countered by only using tai & gen.

Let's not forget that 8th gate users can technically fly. So the gate user can simply avoid shinshuu all together and jump his way all up to the top of shinshuu to attack the user. Shinshuu is in no way fast enough to stop a gate user, and the ninjutsu user doesn't have enough enhancements to outspeed him with flight. At which point, he can simply attack the user (or the jewel of PS if they're in it) with an evening elephant 5th step + tsunade strength combo. Seeing as they're such a small target, PS is practically useless for anything but difference while they're blitzing around it's head.

I'm not too sure how the genjutsu user brings down any of that other than bypassing it. What do you mean by leveling the battlefield as a defence against frog song, though?

Perfect Susano'o is stomped by 8 gates, but the user dies in the process so 8 gates kind of blows tbh.

Perfect Susano'o has no counter to sound genjutsus which were stated to be the deadliest.

Tsukuyomi can 1 shot anyone that's a non Uchiha.

Please read brief. 8th gate doesn't kill in this scenario. They feel the same whiplash as if they used 7th gate, then they can open again once they've 'recovered'. Think of the time it took guy to pop 8th gate after doing 7th on madz.

Also, don't forget everyone has SM, so they can potentially fight with their eyes closed meaning visual genjutsu can be countered unless vision is somehow forced(maybe use KA to get them to open their eyes? ) . Don't overlook anything, this is actually a lot less 1 sided than it seems.

EDIT: Also, don't forget the ninjutsu user has all ninjutsu shown thus far. That means liquification + white rage. Which potentially means they can maybe disrupt sound gen?

 

[fastrthnwind]

the way i see it, ninjutsu<taijutsu<genjutsu<ninjutsu so its pretty even imo

 

[Draphsin]

Let's not forget that 8th gate users can technically fly. So the gate user can simply avoid shinshuu all together and jump his way all up to the top of shinshuu to attack the user. Shinshuu is in no way fast enough to stop a gate user, and the ninjutsu user doesn't have enough enhancements to outspeed him with flight. At which point, he can simply attack the user (or the jewel of PS if they're in it) with an evening elephant 5th step + tsunade strength combo. Seeing as they're such a small target, PS is practically useless for anything but difference while they're blitzing around it's head.

The blitzing can be avoided through black orbs, if a sphere is created then the taijutsu user would only be hurting themselves in any exchange.

I'm not too sure how the genjutsu user brings down any of that other than bypassing it. What do you mean by leveling the battlefield as a defence against frog song, though?

Frogs are needed for the song, they would get blown away due to the sheer destruction brought down by the the nin/tai users [unless the frogs are also affected by izanagi].

 

[Bogard]

Ninjutsu users would win

- Kai release is a ninjutsu, so they would break genjutsu.
- Intangibility counters taijutsu
- Ninjutsus like Shinsusenju will render all offensive useless

 

[RustledJimmies]

- Ninjutsus like Shinsusenju will render all offensive useless

Shinsusenju is a senjutsu tho .

 

[AGoodBoy]

the way i see it, ninjutsu<taijutsu<genjutsu<ninjutsu so its pretty even imo

Lol i also see it like this, however this is to spark a discussion. Someone can always potentially find a winning strategy

The blitzing can be avoided through black orbs, if a sphere is created then the taijutsu user would only be hurting themselves in any exchange.



Frogs are needed for the song, they would get blown away due to the sheer destruction brought down by the the nin/tai users [unless the frogs are also affected by izanagi].

That's true. But will it still work since they have SM?

Oh, I see what you're saying. TBH idk if the frogs will be affected by izanagi. If they're fused to the user, maybe the can be? It can be either or, but I see what you're saying.

However, wouldn't an easier solution simply be to use white rage? Through the use of white rage and liquification, the user is unaffected while frogs are now being too rattled to continue prepping frog song at which point the genjutsu user can be surrounded with a field of Enton. Without any other jutsu, they're trapped for their allotted Izanagi time at which point they can be finished... mmh. But then again, maybe the genjutsu specialist can find a solution to that

Ninjutsu users would win

- Kai release is a ninjutsu, so they would break genjutsu.
- Intangibility counters taijutsu
- Ninjutsus like Shinsusenju will render all offensive useless

- kai release can't break tsukuyomi, izanami, KA or possibly even frog song though.
- Frog kata will bypass intangibility. Can't respond to an attack you can't even see.
- why? High speed movement and the arts of 8 trigram can avoid shinshu. In fact, if the taijutsu user pops 8 gates, and comes in close with an 8trigrams 64 palms, that's deadly impact force + chakra points being shut down. that can potentially end the ninjutsu fighter, can't it?

 

[AGoodBoy]

Shinsusenju is a senjutsu tho .

Senjutsu is allowed since they're all in SM, DW. It's just a matter of making sure the SM ability you use with them is one in line with skillset. Eg; ninjutsu user can use shinshuu, white rage, etc. Tai user can use frog kata. Gen user can use frog gen.
Maybe you can think of it as if there were 3 different versions of SO6P who chose different fight styles to exclusively align themselves with

 

[Bogard]

- kai release can't break tsukuyomi, izanami, KA or possibly even frog song though.
- Frog kata will bypass intangibility. Can't respond to an attack you can't even see.
- why? High speed movement and the arts of 8 trigram can avoid shinshu. In fact, if the taijutsu user pops 8 gates, and comes in close with an 8trigrams 64 palms, that's deadly impact force + chakra points being shut down. that can potentially end the ninjutsu fighter, can't it?

- Well for that, they can use clone to avoid it
- Doesn't need to. Intangibility of the entire body and frog kata would be useless
- Because of the range of the attack. It's basically as if you were fighting against a country size summon. With such a range it's impossible for a speedster to get away unless he can travel a country that fast without teleportation(which is a ninjutsu)

PS: The country reference is just an example to show how speed won't be enough against scale

 

[Draphsin]

That's true. But will it still work since they have SM?

Well if it does end up starting to crack then there's always intangibility as a last line of defense.

Oh, I see what you're saying. TBH idk if the frogs will be affected by izanagi. If they're fused to the user, maybe the can be? It can be either or, but I see what you're saying.

However, wouldn't an easier solution simply be to use white rage? Through the use of white rage and liquification, the user is unaffected while frogs are now being too rattled to continue prepping frog song at which point the genjutsu user can be surrounded with a field of Enton. Without any other jutsu, they're trapped for their allotted Izanagi time at which point they can be finished... mmh. But then again, maybe the genjutsu specialist can find a solution to that

Well I doubt it, . But tbh I wasn't wholly taking in all of the jutsus that the nin specialist has at his disposal. Wasn't considering white rage, that would be devastating to a taijutsu user as well.

 

[AGoodBoy]

- Well for that, they can use clone to avoid it
- Doesn't need to. Intangibility of the entire body and frog kata would be useless
- Because of the range of the attack. It's basically as if you were fighting against a country size summon. With such a range it's impossible for a speedster to get away unless he can travel a country that fast without teleportation(which is a ninjutsu)

PS: The country reference is just an example to show how speed won't be enough against scale

kamui intangibility is based on sending that part of the body away to the kamui dimension. You can't do that on the entire body at the same time, that's just simply teleporting yourself away :s

If the person were to rush towards the top of shinshuu, they can close the distance within a matter of minutes. With the use of Asura rockets and 8 trigram vacuum palms(listed as taijutsu) they can effectively counter/dodge shinshu's punches as they rush to the top. With the boost of 8th gate and SM, 8 vacuum palm's strength should far exceed what hinata and hiashi was capable of doing against juubi. once they're on top, shinshuu is practically useless now seeing as it can't punch itself.

Well if it does end up starting to crack then there's always intangibility as a last line of defense.



Well I doubt it, . But tbh I wasn't wholly taking in all of the jutsus that the nin specialist has at his disposal. Wasn't considering white rage, that would be devastating to a taijutsu user as well.

haha well that's true. There's at least 5 minutes of immunity after all lol.

well that's what I made this for, to take into account these different factors. Like I can also say that the gen user decides to use KA to get these guys to look at him and regard him as an ally, at which point he closes the distance and locks them into tsukuyomi. hehehe. But ya, white rage can be devastating to the taijutsu specialist too.