[Suggestion] Tag system suggestion

[Iruka]

Would the tag be included within a post? If so, it is ripe for spam when used without context.

@Iruka

While this tag would draw my attention to the thread, the post itself contributed nothing to the discussion and creates clutter for other non-tagged members. Given how little attention people pay to other rules (replying with only emoticons/images, appending "10 chars" to meet the length requirement) I can easily see this being misused.

 

[ROHAN]

Would the tag be included within a post? If so, it is ripe for spam when used without context.


While this tag would draw my attention to the thread, the post itself contributed nothing to the discussion and creates clutter for other non-tagged members. Given how little attention people pay to other rules (replying with only emoticons/images, appending "10 chars" to meet the length requirement) I can easily see this being misused.

This is not a issue. It has already been countered :-

>Abuse
You abuse tagging mods or admins = ban

If someone abuses the system then just give them a ban from using the mention system, as simple as that.

It's a shame, it's the same reason why Zise won't remove profanity filters. I still think that tagging could work if abusers got a day ban straight up. Would sort out the issue quickly imo.

 

[Avani]

This is not a issue. It has already been countered :-

Are you sure keep banning for using tag won't be an issue?

Past experience says eople would be screaming all over the site " mods are abusing their power !! I broke no rules just tagged some people because I thought it would be interesting!! why why!!"

Really banning for tagging all the time maybe quite handful and for one I don't want to be the one having to deal with those arguments. People act dumb deliberately even when they know they are breaking a rule - in this case it can be more ambiguous.

 

[ROHAN]

Are you sure keep banning for using tag won't be an issue?

Past experience says eople would be screaming all over the site " mods are abusing their power !! I broke no rules just tagged some people because I thought it would be interesting!! why why!!"

Really banning for tagging all the time maybe quite handful and for one I don't want to be the one having to deal with those arguments.

If the staff can't take the heat then you may not give forum bans (Which lolz and gobb suggested) but ban them from using the Mention System (Which I suggested). If people argue just give them a reasoning, if they don't listen to solid arguments then it's best to ignore them.

If you ban people from using the Mention system with solid arguments, in the end the mention system will only remain in the hands of the reliable and responsible members. This means abuse will not be a regular feature.

 

[Avani]

If the staff can't take the heat then you may not give forum bans (Which lolz and gobb suggested) but ban them from using the Mention System (Which I suggested). If people argue just give them a reasoning, if they don't listen to solid arguments then it's best to ignore them.

If you ban people from using the Mention system with solid arguments, in the end the mention system will only remain in the hands of the reliable and responsible members. This means abuse will not be a regular feature.

It's not termed as "taking the heat" but "wasting too much time on stupid arguments".

And does that plug in gives option to ban people from it? I doubt it and if it has most likely it will be an admin having to do it manually.

 

[ROHAN]

It's not termed as "taking the heat" but "wasting too much time on stupid arguments".

And does that plug in gives option to ban people from it? I doubt it and if it has most likely it will be an admin having to do it manually.

If you find it stupid then just ignore it. Again, if the ban reasoning is solid then it cannot be judged by others. Let others complain as much as they want, it won't have any effect in the long run.

Members and the Staff trusting each other is a different matter though and in that department, NB seems to be pretty low quality. If there was trust between both parties then what you are saying would generally not happen.

Maybe, I don't know. I never paid much attention to vBulletin. You are better off asking Zise, V or Gobb here who is an expert in such things. :sdo:

 

[loj]

The arument of abusing is stupid..I can literally quote you in every thread and you'd have 30+ notifications...so having tag won't do any harm...besides how do you want to advance when every new forum has tag system nowadays...for 2 years I"ve been on this forum I havr just seen like dislike system added.

I'm on a forum I seldom log in but whenever I do I get some notifications and it's never anything relevant to me. It's probably just the user name that gets me tagged. Nope it hasn't made me more active there. I stopped caring for notifications after first couple of times. :|

Only couse u have that problem doesn't mean other will have the same...

 

[Avani]

If you find it stupid then just ignore it. Again, if the ban reasoning is solid then it cannot be judged by others. Let others complain as much as they want, it won't have any effect in the long run.

Members trusting the Staff is a different matter though and in that department, NB seems to be pretty low quality. If there was trust between both parties then what you are saying would generally not happen.

Maybe, I don't know. I never paid much attention to vBulletin. You are better off asking Zise, V or Gobb here who is an expert in such things. :sdo:

I don't mind the plugin as much but- I will just declare it right here and right now:

If admins go with this plugin- don't tag me hoping that I will be checking it out. No I don't care if you thought doing so means fast moderation. Hit the damn report button or if it's an emergency or something only I can check send me a PM etc.

I don't like it when people ask moderation related questions in between other discussions nor I appreciate my name being screamed at asking to do mod work. It's not the right way to go about it.

 

[Torche]

I don't mind the plugin as much but- I will just declare it right here and right now:

If admins go with this mod- don't tag me hoping that I will be checking it out. No I don't care if you thought doing so means fast moderation. Hit the damn report button or if it's an emergency or something only I can check send me a PM etc.

I don't like it when people ask moderation related questions in between other discussions nor I appreciate my name being screamed at asking to do mod work. It's not the right way to go about it.

I don't think it would be used like that. People would rather anonymous reporting than announcing it in a thread. It's more like if you see a post you know others will like, you would tag them and perhaps say a bit to them, and then post normally in that same post.

 

[Caliburn]

Isn't this what you want basically? Have a way to show someone a thread and make 'em more active?

>Abuse
You abuse tagging mods or admins = ban
Remove the possibility to tag mods and admins?

Am on 2 forums which use this system and I'm yet to see a problem.
And that's an amazing option to have.

Being continuously harassed by annoying pop-ups has never yielded any kind of positive results ever anywhere in my experience. No one is going to like it when they log in and suddenly see that they have been tagged in +30 threads about multiple topics in 5 different sections.

Also potential abuse is really not limited to mods and admins, it's for everyone as I think it wouldn't be a matter of "if" but "when" a specific fanbase decides to use it to harass people of an opposing fanbase. I see it really happen that in a thread that's meant to glorify character x that every person then starts tagging a fan of character Y in all their posts, resulting in that person receiving dozens or more notifications.

The arument of abusing is stupid..I can literally quote you in every thread and you'd have 30+ notifications...so having tag won't do any harm...besides how do you want to advance when every new forum has tag system nowadays...for 2 years I"ve been on this forum I havr just seen like dislike system added.


Only couse u have that problem doesn't mean other will have the same...

Point one the quoting system is flawed, so it's highly doubtful that you would receive notifications of all those quotes.

Point two the quoting system and the tagging system you suggest are not the same. You can only quote someone if he already posted, with other words the amount of time you can quote someone, is limited. However there is no limit on how much time you can start tagging people.

Point three using potential abuse with the quoting system as an argument for a tagging system, isn't really working in your favor as why would we add yet another system that's prone to abuse while we already have one?

Point four there are a lot of things wrong with NB, but I seriously doubt that whether we have a tagging system is the key here for advancement.

 

[loj]

Being continuously harassed by annoying pop-ups has never yielded any kind of positive results ever anywhere in my experience. No one is going to like it when they log in and suddenly see that they have been tagged in +30 threads about multiple topics in 5 different sections.

Also potential abuse is really not limited to mods and admins, it's for everyone as I think it wouldn't be a matter of "if" but "when" a specific fanbase decides to use it to harass people of an opposing fanbase. I see it really happen that in a thread that's meant to glorify character x that every person then starts tagging a fan of character Y in all their posts, resulting in that person receiving dozens or more notifications.



Point one the quoting system is flawed, so it's highly doubtful that you would receive notifications of all those quotes.

Point two the quoting system and the tagging system you suggest are not the same. You can only quote someone if he already posted, with other words the amount of time you can quote someone, is limited. However there is no limit on how much time you can start tagging people.

Point three using potential abuse with the quoting system as an argument for a tagging system, isn't really working in your favor as why would we add yet another system that's prone to abuse while we already have one?

Point four there are a lot of things wrong with NB, but I seriously doubt that whether we have a tagging system is the key here for advancement.

I mean you are already seeing these problems but you didn't even try it.If quoting is bad so why have it? LOL such a stupid argument.in 2 years im here I just experienced like/dislike system but systems which NB already had like Rep points are useless and no changes are in plans.I'm not saying you are lazy but are you even trying to make NB a better place at this point of time? New forums nowadays have all these things like tag system and #system.One helps making things more active and other makes things easier to find.I'm on one forum and it has both and has more people active than NB now...and there are no problems with it whatsoever.

Even if they start tagging this or that mods can easily handle it since I've heard from some mods they have not many to do anyways.Trolls get banned,alts got banned and you get a better place.

How's tag system a bad idea it's beyond me.Most forums I've been on have that system and it works great and its pretty handy as well.

 

[Iruka]

This is not a issue. It has already been countered :-

I'd wager that it would be an issue and that it hasn't been countered by the suggestion of banning people from the system should they abuse it. The second point of my post was how people already spam to their hearts content without repercussion. That is what I am opposing here, spam rather than harassment or personal abuse.


I don't go around reporting posts which contribute nothing more than:

They are plentiful and not worth moderating in most cases but they do irk people, myself included.


If this system was to be implemented, I would much rather something which notifies the user without making a public post. Save me from entering a thread with 10 posts, only to find that 8 of them are:

@User

 

[Beastbomb]

We have the tagging/mention system on our GFX forum, which over there is really handy. However in saying that we have respectful members that don't abuse it. I was just looking over the settings and it seems that you can't remove certain people from this system, meaning the staff here would receive mention notifications if they were mentioned. You can however set the number of mentions allowed per post, and per thread. You can also set which sections of the forum the tagging system can be used on.

The idea itself is not a bad one, but its the members that would turn it into a bad idea over here unfortunately.

 

[FeelsBadMan]

I guess that can be pretty cool.

 

[Shroud]

it could work if you could onl tag people on your friend list so somebody cant just make a random tor account with a computer proxy and spam the tags all day

 

[Donald J Trump]

The admins are lazy my friend. I really like the idea and I think it could work very easily as long as we sort some things out like the ability to disable the feature to prevent spam. The ability to only get tagged by friends.

However, it's easier for them to debate and deny rather than work.So very incompetent.