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Well, I always wondered about this for a long time and I think the Sun and Moon Symbolism is kinda incomplete and has a missing component, the Earth symbolism. I made a few theories about it but they didn't have much evidence to back it up. So, I will leave this as a gateway to what you think of this. 
A) The Sun :-
B) The Moon :-
C) The Earth :-
The Seal Placements :-
The Power of Three :-
The Juubi's eye :-
Conclusion :-
Well, my Theory has a few loopholes in it, but still, I think there is something missing here in the whole symbolism thingy. Not to mention that the number three's importance and the Sun, Moon and Earth's Relation as three celestial objects.
Further Plot Points :-
A) The Sun :-
Well the Sun is represented by Naruto as he has a Sun Seal and also has a symbolic connection to the Sun, i.e; Light.
I think the Sun is symbolised by a circle as shown below :-
Interestingly, The Byakugan somehow looks very similar and is connected to the Sun via it's circular nature.
Could the Sun be connected to the Hyuugas and extending it be connected to Kaguya ?
Note : Even the Nine Bijuus are somehow connected to the Sun as they are powering Naruto's Sun Seal.
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I think the Sun is symbolised by a circle as shown below :-
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Interestingly, The Byakugan somehow looks very similar and is connected to the Sun via it's circular nature.
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Could the Sun be connected to the Hyuugas and extending it be connected to Kaguya ?
Note : Even the Nine Bijuus are somehow connected to the Sun as they are powering Naruto's Sun Seal.
B) The Moon :-
The Moon is connected to Sauske as he has a Moon seal and it represents the Darkness.
The Moon seal is represented by a Crescent Circle. I think.
Coincidentally, the Sharingan is connected to the Moon via it's Genjutsu powers.
There have been many theories that connect the moon to Sobojo, the Daemonic Tengu.
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The Moon seal is represented by a Crescent Circle. I think.
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Coincidentally, the Sharingan is connected to the Moon via it's Genjutsu powers.
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There have been many theories that connect the moon to Sobojo, the Daemonic Tengu.
C) The Earth :-
But there seems to be something missing here, basically a third component which is the Earth or the Shinjuu.
But then, where does the Earth seal of the Shinju reside ?
I would say it was Obito.
And this is the Earth Seal :-
The Earth Seal might be a circle with concentric rings on it.
^ Could the above be the Earth Seal ? Especially considering Obito was the Juubi's Jinchuuriki and the Juubi symbolises the Earth.
Could Obito also play a role in the sealing of Kaguya with his Earth Seal ?
Maybe, the Earth Seal still exists within Obito ?
The Rinnegan also has concentric circles and could symbolise the Earth.
But then, where does the Earth seal of the Shinju reside ?
I would say it was Obito.
And this is the Earth Seal :-
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The Earth Seal might be a circle with concentric rings on it.
^ Could the above be the Earth Seal ? Especially considering Obito was the Juubi's Jinchuuriki and the Juubi symbolises the Earth.
Could Obito also play a role in the sealing of Kaguya with his Earth Seal ?
Maybe, the Earth Seal still exists within Obito ?
The Rinnegan also has concentric circles and could symbolise the Earth.
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The Seal Placements :-
Thanks to King Hashirama for the image.
Look at the above image.
Moon in the Right Side. Sauske's Moon seal is on his Right Hand.
Sun in the Left Side. Naruto's's Sun seal is on his Left Hand.
Earth is in the Centre. Obito's Earth Seal is in the center at his back.
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Look at the above image.
Moon in the Right Side. Sauske's Moon seal is on his Right Hand.
Sun in the Left Side. Naruto's's Sun seal is on his Left Hand.
Earth is in the Centre. Obito's Earth Seal is in the center at his back.
The Power of Three :-
The Number three has a very vast connection with our world. It is even said that perfection can only be achieved with three powers.
There was an Ancient Aliens episode " The Power of Three" (I also suggest that you watch it) which showed how the number Three is embedded in our History, Religion, Astronomy (The three Orion Stars), The laws of Motion and even in our DNA.
The episode overall was very knowledgeable although the Aliens part was Bogus. Lol
The Sun, Moon and Earth are three celestial objects which are closely connected to each other. Could Kishi have been inspired by this ?
There was an Ancient Aliens episode " The Power of Three" (I also suggest that you watch it) which showed how the number Three is embedded in our History, Religion, Astronomy (The three Orion Stars), The laws of Motion and even in our DNA.
The episode overall was very knowledgeable although the Aliens part was Bogus. Lol
The Sun, Moon and Earth are three celestial objects which are closely connected to each other. Could Kishi have been inspired by this ?
The Juubi's eye :-
Could the Juubi's eye actually be the Final product when you combine Earth (Shinju), Sun (Kaguya) and Moon (Sobojo) Powers ?
It also seems to have the features of the Byakugan, Sharingan and Rinnegan.
Kaguya is the Shinju which shows that she was sealed in the Shinju and the Shinju already has Sobojo in the form of the fruit as said by some people.
Perhaps the above is the reason why Juubi had that eye and the Sharrinnegan always awakens as a Third eye ?
As far as we know, Sauske might have an incomplete version of it as he didn't awaken it as a third eye. Not to mention that the Rikudou seems to have a third sealed eye also. So, it's possible the power is temporarily given by Rikudou.
Madara awakened the third eye because he had Kaguya, Shinju and Sobojo's Sharingan Powers.
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It also seems to have the features of the Byakugan, Sharingan and Rinnegan.
Kaguya is the Shinju which shows that she was sealed in the Shinju and the Shinju already has Sobojo in the form of the fruit as said by some people.
Perhaps the above is the reason why Juubi had that eye and the Sharrinnegan always awakens as a Third eye ?
As far as we know, Sauske might have an incomplete version of it as he didn't awaken it as a third eye. Not to mention that the Rikudou seems to have a third sealed eye also. So, it's possible the power is temporarily given by Rikudou.
Madara awakened the third eye because he had Kaguya, Shinju and Sobojo's Sharingan Powers.
Conclusion :-
So, to sum up my thoughts on this :-
1) There is a Sun and Moon Symbolism going on here but it is incomplete without the Earth symbolism as the number three represents perfection.
2) Does this make sense :-
3) Could Obito have an Earth Seal and help in the sealing of Kaguya ? Currently the Moon Seal (Sauske) and Sun Seal (Naruto) are not enough to seal Kaguya. Could Obito have residual Juubi Chakra to awaken the Earth Seal, make a trio and seal Kaguya ?
4) The Three Celestial Seals :-
5) Could the Sharrinegan be the final product when you combine the Moon, Sun and Earth powers ?
1) There is a Sun and Moon Symbolism going on here but it is incomplete without the Earth symbolism as the number three represents perfection.
2) Does this make sense :-
Sun Symbolism - Kaguya - Byakugan.
Moon Symbolism - Sobojo - Sharingan.
Earth Symbolism - Shinju - Rinnegan.
Seems that Sobojo, Shinju and Kaguya somehow have a connection with each other in the creation of NV in the following manner :-
Moon Symbolism - Sobojo - Sharingan.
Earth Symbolism - Shinju - Rinnegan.
Seems that Sobojo, Shinju and Kaguya somehow have a connection with each other in the creation of NV in the following manner :-
Earth : Shinju : Creator : Birth : Beginning
Sun : Kaguya : Preserver : Growth : Middle
Moon : Sobojo : Destroyer : Death : End
Sun : Kaguya : Preserver : Growth : Middle
Moon : Sobojo : Destroyer : Death : End
3) Could Obito have an Earth Seal and help in the sealing of Kaguya ? Currently the Moon Seal (Sauske) and Sun Seal (Naruto) are not enough to seal Kaguya. Could Obito have residual Juubi Chakra to awaken the Earth Seal, make a trio and seal Kaguya ?
4) The Three Celestial Seals :-
Sun :
Moon :
Earth :
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Moon :
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Earth :
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5) Could the Sharrinegan be the final product when you combine the Moon, Sun and Earth powers ?
Well, my Theory has a few loopholes in it, but still, I think there is something missing here in the whole symbolism thingy. Not to mention that the number three's importance and the Sun, Moon and Earth's Relation as three celestial objects.
Further Plot Points :-
So, the recent chapters got me thinking and I came up with a few ideas concerning this theory.
Point- 1 :-
Point - 2 :-
Point - 3 :-
Point- 1 :-
1) The Sun and Moon seals were in the possesion of Hagoromo as shown by his Staff.
I think that the Earth seal was in the possession of Hamura and he also had a corresponding staff. This is also the reason why he was able to seal the Juubi within Hagoromo as the Juubi represents the Earth.
2) Kaguya could be sealed by combining the Sun and Moon seals.
But, the above does not apply to Black Zetsu. He can only be sealed by Hamura's Earth seal as BZ represents the Earth in a way.
By combining all Three seals, Kaguya and Black Zetsu could be sealed.
Sun + Moon seals = Seals Kaguya.
Earth seal = Seals Black Zetsu.
3) As some people here pointed out Naruto has one half of the Earth Seal.
The other half is with Hashirama . This is why Hagoromo appeared in front of the Edo Hokages to awaken Hashirama' Earth seal fully. Sakura may herself play a big role in this due to her Byakugou. She can perhaps transfer the Earth Seal from Naruto to Hashirama.
Hashirama's Earth seal is the Sage mode mark on his forehead called the Bindu Symbol according to Chatte.
4) Compatibility with the Earth seal :-
A) Naruto is not compatible because he already has the Sun seal. He is perhaps just a vessel for the Earth seal.
B) Hashirama is not compatible because he is already dead.
I think that the Earth seal was in the possession of Hamura and he also had a corresponding staff. This is also the reason why he was able to seal the Juubi within Hagoromo as the Juubi represents the Earth.
2) Kaguya could be sealed by combining the Sun and Moon seals.
But, the above does not apply to Black Zetsu. He can only be sealed by Hamura's Earth seal as BZ represents the Earth in a way.
By combining all Three seals, Kaguya and Black Zetsu could be sealed.
Sun + Moon seals = Seals Kaguya.
Earth seal = Seals Black Zetsu.
3) As some people here pointed out Naruto has one half of the Earth Seal.
The other half is with Hashirama . This is why Hagoromo appeared in front of the Edo Hokages to awaken Hashirama' Earth seal fully. Sakura may herself play a big role in this due to her Byakugou. She can perhaps transfer the Earth Seal from Naruto to Hashirama.
Hashirama's Earth seal is the Sage mode mark on his forehead called the Bindu Symbol according to Chatte.
4) Compatibility with the Earth seal :-
A) Naruto is not compatible because he already has the Sun seal. He is perhaps just a vessel for the Earth seal.
B) Hashirama is not compatible because he is already dead.
Point - 2 :-
I see three people who have the potential to get the Earth seal :-
1) The highest possibility is Obito because he was the Shinju Jinchuriki and might have a near death experience and meet Hamura and get the Earth Seal from him.
Not to mention, Kishi had many chances to kill Obito but he never did, which makes me think Kishi planned this.
2) The second possibility is Sakura. She fits perfectly in the Team 7 symbolism ( See previous posts ).
The Earth seal could be Sakura's powerup ( Connected to Byakugou, See Chatte's theory) which would bring her on the level of Naruto and Sauske.
3) The third possibility is Hashirama. Hagoromo might use the Edo Hokages chakra to Rinne-tensei Hashirama removing the "being dead means not compatible with seal" point.
Problem is, Hashirama doesn't fit properly with Naruto and Sauske unlike Obito and Sakura.
Hagoromo appeared before Hashirama and talked about seals. Could it be the Earth seal ?
1) The highest possibility is Obito because he was the Shinju Jinchuriki and might have a near death experience and meet Hamura and get the Earth Seal from him.
Not to mention, Kishi had many chances to kill Obito but he never did, which makes me think Kishi planned this.
2) The second possibility is Sakura. She fits perfectly in the Team 7 symbolism ( See previous posts ).
The Earth seal could be Sakura's powerup ( Connected to Byakugou, See Chatte's theory) which would bring her on the level of Naruto and Sauske.
3) The third possibility is Hashirama. Hagoromo might use the Edo Hokages chakra to Rinne-tensei Hashirama removing the "being dead means not compatible with seal" point.
Problem is, Hashirama doesn't fit properly with Naruto and Sauske unlike Obito and Sakura.
Hagoromo appeared before Hashirama and talked about seals. Could it be the Earth seal ?
Point - 3 :-
Also, while this may seem like a long shot, you would have noticed that Black Zetsu removed all mention of Hamura from the tablet and the history of the legend.
If Hamura had the Earth seal which could seal Black Zetsu , it makes sense that BZ would remove Hamura from the story.
This led to the knowledge of the Earth Seal being lost and BZ would have no problems in reviving Kaguya.
If Hamura had the Earth seal which could seal Black Zetsu , it makes sense that BZ would remove Hamura from the story.
This led to the knowledge of the Earth Seal being lost and BZ would have no problems in reviving Kaguya.
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