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SPECIAL EDIT: In Today's manga, Madara CLEARLY STATES that the only power that is comparable to Perfect Susano'o is the Tailed Beasts (bijuu). Hopefully this will make people take my thread more seriously now!!! My predictions are on point... Look at page 5...
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IN THIS THREAD, ALL OF THE “A)” POINTS CORRELATE, AND ALL OF THE “B)” POINTS CORRELATE, SO FOLLOW ACCORDINGLY.
Skip to the Summary if you don’t want to read the entire post, but you will not understand my points, FYI.
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THEORY: This thread is created to explain my theory that:
A) The potential of Susano’o Chakra = The potential of Tailed Beast Chakra.
B) Susano’o is ALIVE, and influences the thoughts of its user through Hate.*
*Note: This is similar to the way the hate in the 9 Tails chakra influenced Naruto in his original Jinchurriki form, before he removed the hate in his heart (before Shippuden).
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EXPLANATION: By alive, I mean that although Sussano’o is controlled by its human user, it has the ability to have thoughts of its own. It is alive! The reason behind this theory is my belief that:
A) Sussano’o is the Uchiha version of the Tailed Beasts.*
B) Sussano’o is created through the pure hate of its user.
*Note: This is further elaborated by the fact that Kishi notes Sasuke/Naruto will always be somewhat equals, because their power is somewhat equal. This is shown also in Elder Son/Younger Son, Madara/Hashirama, etc.
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A) SUSANO’O CHAKRA = TAILED BEASTS CHAKRA: On his deathbed, the Sage separated the Juubi into 9 Tailed Beasts with the ability of individual consciousness and REMOVED THE JUUBI HATE from their chakra. The “baby” tailed beasts were devoid of the original hate of the Juubi, and did not become hateful until they began to be controlled by humans. We all know that the tailed beasts are “alive” and think independently… and we have also seen from Dark Naruto that “Hate” is “alive” within the individual and has a mind of its own as well (elaborated later). Just as the Tailed Beasts are controlled by their jinchurriki but can also think independently of them, so is Sussano’o. These two forms of chakra/power/life (Tailed Beasts VS Sussano’o) are EQUAL in their representations…
See comparisons below:
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*Perfect Sussano’o (“maybe” Rinnegan) = Perfect Bijuu Mode
EMS Sussano’o (“more complete” version) = Bijuu Mode 2
MS Sussano’o (rib cage version) = Bijuu Mode 1
3 Tomoe Sharigan = Initial Jinchurriki Form (Before Naruto Shippuden)
*Note: I believe that Perfect Sussano’o is a complete merge with its Uchiha user, the same way that a Perfect Bijuu is a complete merge with the Jinchurriki. Of course, this has yet to be proven. The imperfect Bijuu cloaks are equal to the imperfect Sussano’o cloaks. But I believe that in the “perfect mode” the Sussano’o is no longer a cloak but a perfect body merge between the two, same way as the Perfect Bijuu mode is no longer a cloak but a perfect body merge with its Jinchurriki.
More Comparisons:
Strength of Chakra (Spiritual Energy) = Further activated by Hate
Strength of Heart (Physical Energy) = Further activated by Love*
*Note: This is the “Will of Fire”, what Konoha shinobi believe to be TRUE power… which comes from the Will to Protect those that you love.
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B) SUSANO’O HATE IS ALIVE: Now a small note on why I believe the “Hate” in Susano’o is alive. First of all, it has been shown that all shinobi have a certain measure of “Hate” within themselves, more especially in Jinchurriki because of the life they are forced to live. When becoming a Perfect Jinchurriki at the Falls of Truth, one must learn to control and defeat the “hate” within themselves, and this is by design of the Sage. But as the Jinchurriki face the hate in themselves, they realize that THE HATE WITHIN HAS A MIND OF ITS OWN, IT IS ALIVE. I repeat, the hate within has a mind of its own, and unless you train at the Falls of Truth you never realize this fact.
But since the hate is truly a part of the user, almost every thought and action is replicated exactly, and this is why you cannot defeat “Hate” through your own might. You can only defeat Hate with Love, hence the symbolism. The shinobi never realize that hate lives within themselves because it is a part of them, so they never see it as a separate entity. But even Karuma noticed when “Dark Naruto” (Naruto’s Hate) was removed from his subconscious and asked, “Where is the real you” when they fought for the 1st time. Only at the waterfall does the truth show, that Hate is a separate entity that has its own thoughts-goals-feelings-aspirations, and until you try to separate yourself from your hate you never realize that there is a difference. In other words, the hate is “alive”.
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SUMMARY: Susano’o is activated from the descendents of the Elder Son in the power of the Sage’s Eyes through Hate, and is even shown to “strengthen itself” through increased hate, as in the fight between Sasuke and Danzou. This initial hate was influenced by the Sage in the beginning when he was forced to choose a successor, the Curse of Hate, as Tobi has mentioned. The descendents of the Younger Son were destined to yield the power of the Tailed Beasts with the Will of Fire, through the power of the Sage’s Body. This is how the 2 Sons of the Sage of the Six Paths were born equally splitting the power/chakra of the Sage, but the Sage realized the potential for hate to manifest itself when he himself became the Juubi Jinchurriki, before his children were even born. This is why he could not die and allow the Juubi “as is” to return to the earth. He knew also that this “power” would eventually only breed the power of Hate, Hate being the original motivating force of the Juubi itself. In conclusion, this hate acts and thinks independently of its own “host”, and as proven in the paragraph above, “hate” is alive.
Therefore… Tailed Beast Chakra = Susano’o Chakra… Susano’o = Hate… Hate = Alive.
Chuuch… Preach… Tabernacle.
-gHost Senju, K.U.S.H. Sage
Special Note:
Since multiple people keep saying Itachi does not have hate, I wanted to add this to the Thread b/c I cannot mulitpost at my work computer for some reason.
1) EVERY shinobi has a degree of hate in their heart. This is proven by NARUTO, he is the nicest good hearted shinobi in the entire series, forget Itachi for a moment. If Naruto can be shown to have hate in his heart, every shinobi has hate to some degree.
So unless someone can PROVE to me that Itachi went to the Falls of Truth and removed all hate from his heart/soul, please tell me how Naruto can have a hate ("Dark Naruto") but Itachi does not?!?
The only way you can NOT have any hate at all inside of you is if you travel to the Falls of Truth and remove it. Please show me the manga where Itachi has already done this. If not.... #FAIL
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IN THIS THREAD, ALL OF THE “A)” POINTS CORRELATE, AND ALL OF THE “B)” POINTS CORRELATE, SO FOLLOW ACCORDINGLY.
Skip to the Summary if you don’t want to read the entire post, but you will not understand my points, FYI.
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THEORY: This thread is created to explain my theory that:
A) The potential of Susano’o Chakra = The potential of Tailed Beast Chakra.
B) Susano’o is ALIVE, and influences the thoughts of its user through Hate.*
*Note: This is similar to the way the hate in the 9 Tails chakra influenced Naruto in his original Jinchurriki form, before he removed the hate in his heart (before Shippuden).
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EXPLANATION: By alive, I mean that although Sussano’o is controlled by its human user, it has the ability to have thoughts of its own. It is alive! The reason behind this theory is my belief that:
A) Sussano’o is the Uchiha version of the Tailed Beasts.*
B) Sussano’o is created through the pure hate of its user.
*Note: This is further elaborated by the fact that Kishi notes Sasuke/Naruto will always be somewhat equals, because their power is somewhat equal. This is shown also in Elder Son/Younger Son, Madara/Hashirama, etc.
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A) SUSANO’O CHAKRA = TAILED BEASTS CHAKRA: On his deathbed, the Sage separated the Juubi into 9 Tailed Beasts with the ability of individual consciousness and REMOVED THE JUUBI HATE from their chakra. The “baby” tailed beasts were devoid of the original hate of the Juubi, and did not become hateful until they began to be controlled by humans. We all know that the tailed beasts are “alive” and think independently… and we have also seen from Dark Naruto that “Hate” is “alive” within the individual and has a mind of its own as well (elaborated later). Just as the Tailed Beasts are controlled by their jinchurriki but can also think independently of them, so is Sussano’o. These two forms of chakra/power/life (Tailed Beasts VS Sussano’o) are EQUAL in their representations…
See comparisons below:
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*Perfect Sussano’o (“maybe” Rinnegan) = Perfect Bijuu Mode
EMS Sussano’o (“more complete” version) = Bijuu Mode 2
MS Sussano’o (rib cage version) = Bijuu Mode 1
3 Tomoe Sharigan = Initial Jinchurriki Form (Before Naruto Shippuden)
*Note: I believe that Perfect Sussano’o is a complete merge with its Uchiha user, the same way that a Perfect Bijuu is a complete merge with the Jinchurriki. Of course, this has yet to be proven. The imperfect Bijuu cloaks are equal to the imperfect Sussano’o cloaks. But I believe that in the “perfect mode” the Sussano’o is no longer a cloak but a perfect body merge between the two, same way as the Perfect Bijuu mode is no longer a cloak but a perfect body merge with its Jinchurriki.
More Comparisons:
Strength of Chakra (Spiritual Energy) = Further activated by Hate
Strength of Heart (Physical Energy) = Further activated by Love*
*Note: This is the “Will of Fire”, what Konoha shinobi believe to be TRUE power… which comes from the Will to Protect those that you love.
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B) SUSANO’O HATE IS ALIVE: Now a small note on why I believe the “Hate” in Susano’o is alive. First of all, it has been shown that all shinobi have a certain measure of “Hate” within themselves, more especially in Jinchurriki because of the life they are forced to live. When becoming a Perfect Jinchurriki at the Falls of Truth, one must learn to control and defeat the “hate” within themselves, and this is by design of the Sage. But as the Jinchurriki face the hate in themselves, they realize that THE HATE WITHIN HAS A MIND OF ITS OWN, IT IS ALIVE. I repeat, the hate within has a mind of its own, and unless you train at the Falls of Truth you never realize this fact.
But since the hate is truly a part of the user, almost every thought and action is replicated exactly, and this is why you cannot defeat “Hate” through your own might. You can only defeat Hate with Love, hence the symbolism. The shinobi never realize that hate lives within themselves because it is a part of them, so they never see it as a separate entity. But even Karuma noticed when “Dark Naruto” (Naruto’s Hate) was removed from his subconscious and asked, “Where is the real you” when they fought for the 1st time. Only at the waterfall does the truth show, that Hate is a separate entity that has its own thoughts-goals-feelings-aspirations, and until you try to separate yourself from your hate you never realize that there is a difference. In other words, the hate is “alive”.
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SUMMARY: Susano’o is activated from the descendents of the Elder Son in the power of the Sage’s Eyes through Hate, and is even shown to “strengthen itself” through increased hate, as in the fight between Sasuke and Danzou. This initial hate was influenced by the Sage in the beginning when he was forced to choose a successor, the Curse of Hate, as Tobi has mentioned. The descendents of the Younger Son were destined to yield the power of the Tailed Beasts with the Will of Fire, through the power of the Sage’s Body. This is how the 2 Sons of the Sage of the Six Paths were born equally splitting the power/chakra of the Sage, but the Sage realized the potential for hate to manifest itself when he himself became the Juubi Jinchurriki, before his children were even born. This is why he could not die and allow the Juubi “as is” to return to the earth. He knew also that this “power” would eventually only breed the power of Hate, Hate being the original motivating force of the Juubi itself. In conclusion, this hate acts and thinks independently of its own “host”, and as proven in the paragraph above, “hate” is alive.
Therefore… Tailed Beast Chakra = Susano’o Chakra… Susano’o = Hate… Hate = Alive.
Chuuch… Preach… Tabernacle.
-gHost Senju, K.U.S.H. Sage
Special Note:
Since multiple people keep saying Itachi does not have hate, I wanted to add this to the Thread b/c I cannot mulitpost at my work computer for some reason.
1) EVERY shinobi has a degree of hate in their heart. This is proven by NARUTO, he is the nicest good hearted shinobi in the entire series, forget Itachi for a moment. If Naruto can be shown to have hate in his heart, every shinobi has hate to some degree.
So unless someone can PROVE to me that Itachi went to the Falls of Truth and removed all hate from his heart/soul, please tell me how Naruto can have a hate ("Dark Naruto") but Itachi does not?!?
The only way you can NOT have any hate at all inside of you is if you travel to the Falls of Truth and remove it. Please show me the manga where Itachi has already done this. If not.... #FAIL
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) your theory, i like it 
+rep 
