[VS] Supernovas vs suchibanki

[TRE MERCER]

Warlords win easy. Boa DF means she can take out BB? Luffy loses to Doflamingo. Mihawk rapes Law. Alive Kuma one shots Kid. etc...​

 

[chopstickchakra]

Let's really get into it.

SN:
Luffy
Law
Zoro
BB
Killer
Capone
Bonney
Drake
Apoo
Hawkins
Kidd
Urouge

WL:
Kuma ?
Doffy x?
Jinbe x
Mihawk x?
Moriah x
Crocodile x
Hancock x
Buggy x

Luffy beat Croc, Moriah, Buggy and Hancock(technically)

Law & Luffy tag team brought Doffy almost down(that's with Law starting the real fight(from the time they both were in front of Doffy together) already past half dead) a fully healthy Law & Luffy may just have what it takes to take down Doffy but we'll never know for sure.

Mihawk is the greatest swordsman(that'll be important later) Zoro is destined to surpass him, now that doesn't mean he can take him out on his own and definitely not yet, but with Killer's portrayal they should be able to push him and keep him locked in battle while other Shichibukai get picked off. Back to the Swordsman title, I'm NOT saying he's useless without a sword but it's his main focus so how's it play out for him when Kidd steals all the swords?

Jinbe - Was shown to be stronger than Luffy and a rival for Ace who despite what we've seen was portrayed as stronger than Luffy. However BB beat Ace, meaning/implying BB would be a serious challenge for Jinbe, even before the GGnM.

That leaves Kuma against most all of the Supernova. This is the biggest mismatch yet based on everything shown from Kuma and the Pacifistas based off of him. Until we know more about his powers and the other Nova it's impossible to say how it ends but it seems in Kumas favor.

It's really not as clear cut as a lot of you are acting.

 

[Phoenix110]

Am just gonna say warlords bcos of Hawkeye Mihawk

 

[Apêx1]

Shichi obviously win. Awakened unharmed Doffy, Mihawk, Jinbe and Kuma are OP shit.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Shichi obviously win. Awakened unharmed Doffy, Mihawk, Jinbe and Kuma are OP shit.

Law was severely weakened(more so than Doffy when he and Luffy 1v1'd) when they started their attack on Doffy so he couldn't be as effective as he wanted or the plan planned on him being and he still managed to get big big hits on Doffy and drag him down to a significantly weaker state. All after having been crushed by Fujitora's gravity and being beaten and shot by Doffy and losing an arm. You say a healthy Doffy, but let's consider a fully healthy Law and Luffy combo. Still no saying whether they beat him for sure but it seriously reduces the stomp factor people in this thread are granting him.

Mihawk personally trained Zoro and it's hinted very strongly that he will replace him, on top of that he trained by defeating a forest full of monkeys who fight just like Mihawk(though obviously without the same level of strength) This doesn't mean Zoro would beat Mihawk but he would give him a challenge. Throw in Killer and his commonly accepted role of Zoro equivalent, the two of them should be able to hold down Mihawk for awhile while other Shichi. get picked off. They probably wouldn't beat him on their own yet but can't actually say either way. And what does Mihawk do if Kid decides to take every sword in the fighting area? We haven't seen anything else from him yet(though he assuredly has something in case a situation like that arises)

Jinbe might be a problem, he pushed Ace to a 5 day battle(I think that's how long it was) and he held back Luffy. However he wasn't able to beat Ace but you know who was, BB(and that was before the GGnM). As much as I like Jinbe and dislike BB it would seem as though BB could beat him.

That leaves Kuma who I agree is a huge problem because all we know about him is he wrecks shit.

 

[bajram]

Suchibanki? Is that a new group in OP?

 

[Punk Hazard]

The thing about group fights, its far too dynamic. There are lot of people assuming it'd be a series of 1 vs 1. Especially when you add in Law can switch personalities, it becomes even more chaotic. Shichibukai have a higher chance of winning, but group fights on this scale are terrible match-ups.

 

[Apêx1]

Law was severely weakened(more so than Doffy when he and Luffy 1v1'd) when they started their attack on Doffy so he couldn't be as effective as he wanted or the plan planned on him being and he still managed to get big big hits on Doffy and drag him down to a significantly weaker state. All after having been crushed by Fujitora's gravity and being beaten and shot by Doffy and losing an arm. You say a healthy Doffy, but let's consider a fully healthy Law and Luffy combo. Still no saying whether they beat him for sure but it seriously reduces the stomp factor people in this thread are granting him.

Means nothing, because awaked uninjured Doffy stomps the both of them.

Mihawk personally trained Zoro and it's hinted very strongly that he will replace him, on top of that he trained by defeating a forest full of monkeys who fight just like Mihawk(though obviously without the same level of strength) This doesn't mean Zoro would beat Mihawk but he would give him a challenge. Throw in Killer and his commonly accepted role of Zoro equivalent, the two of them should be able to hold down Mihawk for awhile while other Shichi. get picked off. They probably wouldn't beat him on their own yet but can't actually say either way. And what does Mihawk do if Kid decides to take every sword in the fighting area? We haven't seen anything else from him yet(though he assuredly has something in case a situation like that arises)

He'll replace him at the end of the show 7 years from now. Until then Mihawk>Shanks>>>>>>>>>Zoro.

Jinbe might be a problem, he pushed Ace to a 5 day battle(I think that's how long it was) and he held back Luffy. However he wasn't able to beat Ace but you know who was, BB(and that was before the GGnM). As much as I like Jinbe and dislike BB it would seem as though BB could beat him.

That leaves Kuma who I agree is a huge problem because all we know about him is he wrecks shit.

It's not a 1v1 though, so Jinbe still has a huge affect on this battle. Kuma can make BB irrelevant through BFR.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Means nothing, because awaked uninjured Doffy stomps the both of them.

Is a statement not verifiable by facts or feats. A healthy awakened Doffy(He's always awakened it's a state of being, he just chooses when to unleash it, unless you mean a Doffy who only uses Awakened attacks?) Is what fought a weakened Law and Luffy team. 1v1 yea sure he beats both of them healthy. But both of them healthy and fighting together from the start(given their victory in the manga) means they could win and Doffy absolutely wouldn't "stomp" them, the fact you even used that word implies you're trolling the situation or not understanding it. A healthy Doffy with Awakened abilities didn't even stomp a half dead Law and Luffy team. Healthy Doffy>Healthy Law or Healthy Luffy, Healthy Doffy ? Healthy Luffy & Healthy Law.

He'll replace him at the end of the show 7 years from now. Until then Mihawk>Shanks>>>>>>>>>Zoro.

So you're just making up your own time frames now? That's cool. Also if you actually read all of it not just the parts that interested you, I already said Mihawk is still above Zoro. But Zoro's growth and his implied taking of the title suggests he could put up a good fight. Add Killer in the mix it's like 1.5 to 2 Zoro's (based on presentation/hype)fighting Mihawk now. Nothing to say about Kid taking away Mihawk's sword?

It's not a 1v1 though, so Jinbe still has a huge affect on this battle. Kuma can make BB irrelevant through BFR.

I never said he didn't have an effect, again if you could read, I said he might be a problem. Who's to say someone couldn't distract Kuma while he's trying to distract BB from Jinbe? It can go both ways.

 

[Apêx1]

Is a statement not verifiable by facts or feats. A healthy awakened Doffy(He's always awakened it's a state of being, he just chooses when to unleash it, unless you mean a Doffy who only uses Awakened attacks?) Is what fought a weakened Law and Luffy team. 1v1 yea sure he beats both of them healthy. But both of them healthy and fighting together from the start(given their victory in the manga) means they could win and Doffy absolutely wouldn't "stomp" them, the fact you even used that word implies you're trolling the situation or not understanding it. A healthy Doffy with Awakened abilities didn't even stomp a half dead Law and Luffy team. Healthy Doffy>Healthy Law or Healthy Luffy, Healthy Doffy ? Healthy Luffy & Healthy Law.

I suggest you re-read the manga, because Luffy needed people to hold off Doffy until he could re-enter G4. Thus Doffy wins both of them just like he would have in canon had there been no outside interference.

So you're just making up your own time frames now? That's cool. Also if you actually read all of it not just the parts that interested you, I already said Mihawk is still above Zoro. But Zoro's growth and his implied taking of the title suggests he could put up a good fight. Add Killer in the mix it's like 1.5 to 2 Zoro's (based on presentation/hype)fighting Mihawk now. Nothing to say about Kid taking away Mihawk's sword?

No, manga was said to be 70% done. 30%=~7 years.
Again, I don't give a shit about Zoro's potential growth. I'm saying right now he gets negged by Mihawk whether you like it or not. Zoro defeating Picca puts him at 5% of someone who's stronger then Shank's power. Also, Zoro stopped his sword from going to Kidd, Mihawk replicates that feat. Not that Mihawk wouldn't have the strength to keep it with him in his hand in the first place.

I never said he didn't have an effect, again if you could read, I said he might be a problem. Who's to say someone couldn't distract Kuma while he's trying to distract BB from Jinbe? It can go both ways.

Distract Kuma? That still means he gets BFR'd, and thus Jinbe was effective in giving Kuma the time to BFR someone.

 

[A v i]

Zoro will most likely face Mihawk in less than a year according to OP timeline. It is not going to be more than that unless there will be another TS in OP.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I suggest you re-read the manga, because Luffy needed people to hold off Doffy until he could re-enter G4. Thus Doffy wins both of them just like he would have in canon had there been no outside interference.

Yes Luffy needed people to help him when G4 ran out because Law was too weakened before their fight started to still be effective, even in his near death state he got Luffy out of a couple of attacks, that doesn't say anything to the concept of a healthy Law being there to aid Luffy this time. @bold: There in a mass war in this scenario there can absolutely be outside help what in god's name are you even talking about at this point? They have the man advantage and they may not even need it.

No, manga was said to be 70% done. 30%=~7 years.

That's still you just assigning a number of years to it, there's no actual reasoning, evidence or math to it.

Again, I don't give a shit about Zoro's potential growth. I'm saying right now he gets negged by Mihawk whether you like it or not. Zoro defeating Picca puts him at 5% of someone who's stronger then Shank's power. Also, Zoro stopped his sword from going to Kidd, Mihawk replicates that feat. Not that Mihawk wouldn't have the strength to keep it with him in his hand in the first place.

Why would I not like it, I said it before you. Do you really have that hard of a time with comprehension? You think Pica was a challenge? Zoro beat him in 1 hit and was cutting away his mountain, the only difficulty for Zoro in that fight was locating him. And what makes you think it will take as long as the end of the series for him to surpass Mihawk? There's no evidence one way or the other how long it would take or when we can expect it. We've yet to even see the actual results of his training with Mihawk. For all any of us know Zoro could surpass Mihawk by the time he leaves Wano. You're just making assumptions based on feelings and opinions. Oh and I looked for that part about Zoro keeping his sword I couldn't find anything on it, was that an anime scene or was it also in the manga?

Distract Kuma? That still means he gets BFR'd, and thus Jinbe was effective in giving Kuma the time to BFR someone.

The point wasn't whether or not Jinbe could buy Kuma time to BFR someone the point was you said Kuma could stop BB from taking down Jinbe by distracting him, well while BB has someone occupying Kuma with his BFR he could beat Jinbe. I swear it's like you read something and then ignore all it's points to argue yours as if that somehow makes them more valid.

 

[Apêx1]

Yes Luffy needed people to help him when G4 ran out because Law was too weakened before their fight started to still be effective, even in his near death state he got Luffy out of a couple of attacks, that doesn't say anything to the concept of a healthy Law being there to aid Luffy this time. @bold: There in a mass war in this scenario there can absolutely be outside help what in god's name are you even talking about at this point? They have the man advantage and they may not even need it.

Yes, but then you remember there won't be a Law this time (again) against awakened unharmed Doffy because he'll be smashing him and most likely reacting to Luffy.

That's still you just assigning a number of years to it, there's no actual reasoning, evidence or math to it.

There's actually quite a bit of math behind it. It's based on how long 70% took with the inclusion of breaks etc. So it is probable to last another 7 years if OP takes the same amount of breaks. 70% finsihed=30% left in case you didn't know.

Why would I not like it, I said it before you. Do you really have that hard of a time with comprehension? You think Pica was a challenge? Zoro beat him in 1 hit and was cutting away his mountain, the only difficulty for Zoro in that fight was locating him. And what makes you think it will take as long as the end of the series for him to surpass Mihawk? There's no evidence one way or the other how long it would take or when we can expect it. We've yet to even see the actual results of his training with Mihawk. For all any of us know Zoro could surpass Mihawk by the time he leaves Wano. You're just making assumptions based on feelings and opinions. Oh and I looked for that part about Zoro keeping his sword I couldn't find anything on it, was that an anime scene or was it also in the manga?

Again, this is all baseless bullshit. Get me feats to put Zoro at close to admiral level. Get me portrayal if you don't have feats. Now get me portrayal or feats to put him at Yonko level (shanks). Now get me feats or potrayal to put him above Shanks. Yea, you're not going anywhere with these random ass arguments. Just concede that Mihawk solo's him without trying. It was in the manga, Kidd used his DF and Zoro's sword was still in his hand.

The point wasn't whether or not Jinbe could buy Kuma time to BFR someone the point was you said Kuma could stop BB from taking down Jinbe by distracting him, well while BB has someone occupying Kuma with his BFR he could beat Jinbe. I swear it's like you read something and then ignore all it's points to argue yours as if that somehow makes them more valid.

It's not that I ignore everything, it's that I don't see the need to counter bullshit. Ok, forget what I said. Everything doesn't matter once BB is BFR'd.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Yes, but then you remember there won't be a Law this time (again) against awakened unharmed Doffy because he'll be smashing him and most likely reacting to Luffy.

What, by what logic? The fight would start with him Healthy as opposed to starting out 2v1 where 1's an Admiral. How do you figure he wouldn't be there? Plus the main reason he suffered as much damage as he did aside from Fuji being there is he wasn't fighting back as much as he was running and stalling Doffy even acknowledged Law was trying to distract him.

There's actually quite a bit of math behind it. It's based on how long 70% took with the inclusion of breaks etc. So it is probable to last another 7 years if OP takes the same amount of breaks. 70% finsihed=30% left in case you didn't know.

And it took us 18 years to get 70%. 9 years gets 35% with breaks it's closer to 9 years.

Again, this is all baseless bullshit. Get me feats to put Zoro at close to admiral level. Get me portrayal if you don't have feats. Now get me portrayal or feats to put him at Yonko level (shanks). Now get me feats or potrayal to put him above Shanks. Yea, you're not going anywhere with these random ass arguments. Just concede that Mihawk solo's him without trying. It was in the manga, Kidd used his DF and Zoro's sword was still in his hand.

I never said Mihawk didn't beat him idk why you keep reverting back to that when it has no validity or basis to the conversation. I never even said Zoro and Killer would win. I said they could theoretically hold him in combat while the others fight. We never saw how much Mihawk taught Zoro or how far he's grown but you asserting Zoro gets blown away is a disservice to Mihawk's teaching ability.

It's not that I ignore everything, it's that I don't see the need to counter bullshit. Ok, forget what I said. Everything doesn't matter once BB is BFR'd.

Nah, mostly everything I've mentioned you took a piece of and went off on something else.

Clearly we disagree no point really in continuing this back and forth

 

[MickNerks]

Warlords take this.

Mihawk and Kuma (w/ brain) are in a completely different league.