[VS] Super 5 Vs their Masters

Who wins?

  • Students win!

    Votes: 7 58.3%
  • Masters win.

    Votes: 3 25.0%
  • All dies^^

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KidGamer65

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>What if J man uses swamp of the underworld or would ama can kill before he does that.

>What kind of damage could a Tsunade-amped air palm do to Susanoo.

Chidori Nagashi handles Yomi Numa, or buffed Susanoo powers it's way out of it, or Naruto summons a toad which then pushes them out of the swamp. Too many things to make Yomi Numa completely useless here.

And a Tsunade amped Air Palm literally does nothing to Susanoo after Sakura's Byakugo buff. Being able to move something as large as the Juubi's hand isn't an amazing feat in this level of battle, and Tsunade's buff isn't strong enough to warrant it going from doing literally nothing to doing something serious after Sakura has her own buff applied. The best they can do is move Susanoo around, but that doesn't stop them from setting up Kirin, so Gai and his buddies die a terrible, terrible, terrible and very quick death unless Gama Rinsho can be set up before Kirin.

:lol :lol :lol

Masters don't stand a chance here and it should be pretty clear.
 

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Chidori Nagashi handles Yomi Numa, or buffed Susanoo powers it's way out of it, or Naruto summons a toad which then pushes them out of the swamp. Too many things to make Yomi Numa completely useless here.

And a Tsunade amped Air Palm literally does nothing to Susanoo after Sakura's Byakugo buff. Being able to move something as large as the Juubi's hand isn't an amazing feat in this level of battle, and Tsunade's buff isn't strong enough to warrant it going from doing literally nothing to doing something serious after Sakura has her own buff applied. The best they can do is move Susanoo around, but that doesn't stop them from setting up Kirin, so Gai and his buddies die a terrible, terrible, terrible and very quick death unless Gama Rinsho can be set up before Kirin.

:lol :lol :lol

Masters don't stand a chance here and it should be pretty clear.

How is Sakura supplying Sasuke with chakra going to buff Susano'o past a V4? That is baseless speculation. Does Tsunade applying more chakra into Jinton make it's disintegrating properties stronger? Make a Katon hotter? Make Kamui warp stronger? No. What Sakura will be doing is allowing Sasuke to sustain V4 Susano'o for a longer duration. Tsunade buffing Air Palm makes it bigger and stronger, because of how it actually works. It won't penetrate through Susano'o better, but it'll contain much more added force to push it back further.

Setting up Kirin, Lol. The location is set in a desert, meaning very little to no precipitation, meaning absolutely no forming of clouds. Clouds are formed by water vapor, and there is no moisture in a desert. Yeah, definitely a great chance of Kirin ever happening, especially when Orochimaru is around and knows all about it. Still rape action for the masters who can pull off way too many combos while the students have to sit in Susano'o, which is easily handled by their combined effort.
 
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How is Sakura supplying Sasuke with chakra going to buff Susano'o past a V4? That is baseless speculation. Does Tsunade applying more chakra into Jinton make it's disintegrating properties stronger? Make a Katon hotter? Make Kamui warp stronger? No. What Sakura will be doing is allowing Sasuke to sustain V4 Susano'o for a longer duration.

Bad logic. Susanoo being buffed means it gets bigger and stronger look at Sasuke's v3 enhanced by Kurama chakra looked liked compared to Madara's.

OT - students win Amaterasu from the start can 1 shot Tsuande,

Gai is no problem his 7 gates will not last as long as susanoo, People really underestimate the Oil amaterasu combo.
 

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Students win low diff.

They have speed advantage which none of the Master Team. Amatersu or Susanoo Arrow one-shots Tsunade and Jiraiya granted SM enhancements for Jiraiya are almost non-existent, so he isn't reacting or dodging anything. Sakura then boosts her team's techniques, which enables them to use larger scale, therefore, Neji one-shots Hiashi with more raw power. Orochimaru's summons are controlled by Genjutsu. Gai might well take out 3 of Student Team before exhaustion, then gets one-shotted by Susanoo.
 

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How is Sakura supplying Sasuke with chakra going to buff Susano'o past a V4? That is baseless speculation. Does Tsunade applying more chakra into Jinton make it's disintegrating properties stronger? Make a Katon hotter? Make Kamui warp stronger? No. What Sakura will be doing is allowing Sasuke to sustain V4 Susano'o for a longer duration. Tsunade buffing Air Palm makes it bigger and stronger, because of how it actually works. It won't penetrate through Susano'o better, but it'll contain much more added force to push it back further.

Setting up Kirin, Lol. The location is set in a desert, meaning very little to no precipitation, meaning absolutely no forming of clouds. Clouds are formed by water vapor, and there is no moisture in a desert. Yeah, definitely a great chance of Kirin ever happening, especially when Orochimaru is around and knows all about it. Still rape action for the masters who can pull off way too many combos while the students have to sit in Susano'o, which is easily handled by their combined effort.

What are you talking about? More chakra=Bigger Ninjutsu. Did Naruto's chakra buff Sasuke's Legged V3 past the actual stage of a V3 Susanoo? No, it didn't. It increased the power and size of his existing Susanoo because it was bigger and more powerful chakra. If more chakra is put into Susanoo, it gets bigger, thus it gets stronger.




Both the same exact level of Susanoo, yet one is obviously much stronger than the other one and the only thing that differs between them is size, thus the amount of chakra poured into said jutsu.

The area they fought in is a mostly a rocky terrain. There being a bit of sand here and there doesn't make it a desert. :lol So saying it's a desert is based on nothing and also completely false since a desert is all sand. Not part sand. And what is that I see in the background of these 3 scans..?





Oh wait, Clouds. :lol So much for Kirin not being able to be set up. Orochimaru knowing about is 1000% irrelevant when him nor his teammates can stop it. Combos? The combo you've listed here already is weak for the simple fact that it relies on Jiraiya being able to set up Gama Rinsho Sasuke can set up Kirin.

-Rashomon does not, and will not ever protect them from Team 7's attacks. KN4's not Mountain Sized Bijuu Dama blew through Rashomon and still had enough power to put Oro on his ass. FRS is near Kirin's Level. That's Mountain Level in power. Team 7 can use Kirin, FRS, Oodama FRS or Chou Oodama FRS and either one is > KN4's BD as the weakest two are Mountain Level.

And even if they couldn't get past Rashomon, they don't need to as setting up Kirin is an automatic win. If it weren't for the fact that Naruto wouldn't be able to obliterate Rashomon in one strike it'd be even more wise to ignore it and simply set up Kirin.

-Gama Rinsho isn't being set up before Kirin when Sasuke can spam here due to Sakura, and Naruto can make his flame much larger as shown when they turned a small Enton RS into a giant mass of flame against Obito. And when no one can do enough damage to Susanoo to make them fear the possibility of it being destroyed.




That wasn't even a regular sized FRS. So I'll leave how large a regular one would be plus an equal chakra amount of flame to your imagination. :lol If anyone in this team, including Oro, gets hit by something like that it's GG no re.

-Mayfly and spores? Even if he lands spores on them Chidori Nagashi would destroy them. If Orochimaru himself shows up under their Susanoo then I shouldn't have to go into detail on why that's a death sentence as he'll be surrounded by Naruto and Sasuke w/ Sakura as a battery pack.

-Only Gai can dodge Amaterasu and Susanoo Arrows, and the only thing that will block them is Rashomon, but there is a counter for that.

I'm gonna say this again. Masters don't stand a chance. If this was ever a rape it'd be Team 7 raping their sensei not the other way around. :lol
 
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Damn KG said everything really

Lol @ air palm doing anything when again, Neji's with a Sakura boost will counteract Hiashi's EVERY TIME

Also if KG's scan wasn't enough its pretty obvious that clouds move quite a bit from where they're formed including over deserts which is why simply search up a desert and there will be clouds in the image, what a reaching argument.

Deserts just do not have the moisture in the form of standing bodies of water or a large biomass to generate clouds on their own. The clouds you find in deserts are generally the results of atmospheric moisture coming in from somewhere else.
 

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Why did Orochimaru want to take Sasuke's body, idiot. So he can use his powers. Please, go back and read the manga before quoting me again. Orochimaru can use the powers of whatever body he takes.

Thats not proof. We never once seen him use a power from any body that he took other than look like who he took. So again, show me proof or gtfo.
 

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Thats not proof. We never once seen him use a power from any body that he took other than look like who he took. So again, show me proof or gtfo.

Taking someones body grants him the abilities they had if said abilities stemmed from their physical aspects such as the Sharingan and Kimi's KKG, Zetsu's abilities stem from the fact that he is made of Hashirama cells which means Oro can use them as well.

However I still think he needs time to learn how to utilize them
 

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Taking someones body grants him the abilities they had if said abilities stemmed from their physical aspects such as the Sharingan and Kimi's KKG, Zetsu's abilities stem from the fact that he is made of Hashirama cells which means Oro can use them as well.

However I still think he needs time to learn how to utilize them

Yes, Oro has said that but again... Ill give 100 million dollars to anyone who can actually show me when hes ever used an ability from a body that he took that was exclusive to that body. And nobody will. Thats just the fact of the matter. Orochimaru is just so fodder. Hes never won a fight as far as i can see. He wont do shit in this battle. Weaklinggggggggg
 

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Yes, Oro has said that but again... Ill give 100 million dollars to anyone who can actually show me when hes ever used an ability from a body that he took that was exclusive to that body. And nobody will. Thats just the fact of the matter. Orochimaru is just so fodder. Hes never won a fight as far as i can see. He wont do shit in this battle. Weaklinggggggggg

Lmao get this weak argument out of here. Like a lot of people who argue here, you are making up imaginary requirements for Oro to be able to use Zetsu's abilities. Bold is irrelevant. Of course you won't be able to show why the bold matters.

Orochimaru wanted to steal Sasuke's body to get Sharingan. Fact. Orochimaru's knowledge on how his own technique works is far more relevant than your nonsense opinion. Why this is even being argued by you is baffling in the first place as when Oro takes someone's body, for all intents and purposes he is that person but with a different psyche why would he not be able to use the Ninjutsu of the bodies he's in?

:lol
 

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Yes, Oro has said that but again... Ill give 100 million dollars to anyone who can actually show me when hes ever used an ability from a body that he took that was exclusive to that body. And nobody will. Thats just the fact of the matter. Orochimaru is just so fodder. Hes never won a fight as far as i can see. He wont do shit in this battle. Weaklinggggggggg

Because he's never been able to steal a powerful body :lol
 

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What are you talking about? More chakra=Bigger Ninjutsu. Did Naruto's chakra buff Sasuke's Legged V3 past the actual stage of a V3 Susanoo? No, it didn't. It increased the power and size of his existing Susanoo because it was bigger and more powerful chakra. If more chakra is put into Susanoo, it gets bigger, thus it gets stronger.




Both the same exact level of Susanoo, yet one is obviously much stronger than the other one and the only thing that differs between them is size, thus the amount of chakra poured into said jutsu.

Key words being more powerful chakra. Sakura is simply supplying Sasuke with more ordinary chakra, not more high quality Kurama-esque chakra. Not exactly comparable. You have a decent point with Madara's Susano'o, but again, that is Madara applying more of his distinct higher quality chakra into Susano'o. Also, transferring chakra doesn't change it's quality into whoever it's being transferred to, it remains the same and keeps the same chakra signature [ ]. So let's please not state that Sakura's chakra can do the very same as Kurama and Madara's chakra, because that's what being argued here.

Assuming she somehow could transcend Sasuke's Susano'o, it wouldn't be for long, seeing how she was struggling to amp Obito for his Kamui. Both of which are MS techniques, which is where I'm drawing the comparison.


The area they fought in is a mostly a rocky terrain. There being a bit of sand here and there doesn't make it a desert. :lol So saying it's a desert is based on nothing and also completely false since a desert is all sand. Not part sand. And what is that I see in the background of these 3 scans..?





Oh wait, Clouds. :lol So much for Kirin not being able to be set up. Orochimaru knowing about is 1000% irrelevant when him nor his teammates can stop it. Combos? The combo you've listed here already is weak for the simple fact that it relies on Jiraiya being able to set up Gama Rinsho Sasuke can set up Kirin.

Lol, sand. You don't know what a desert is.

Webster Dictionary said:
Definition of desert
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a : arid land with usually sparse vegetation; especially : such land having a very warm climate and receiving less than 25 centimeters (10 inches) of sporadic rainfall annually

Another definition: a dry, barren area of land, especially one covered with sand, that is characteristically desolate, waterless, and without vegetation. Sand is not what qualifies a desert being a desert. So I'll say it again, by definition, the fight is located in a desert. Where there is little to no moisture. And you completely missed the point. You showing me scans of clouds in the sky doesn't mean the clouds were formed in that area, because clouds migrate. And Kirin doesn't work from the pre-existing clouds in the sky anyways. Sasuke has to create them by first heating up the atmosphere. Sasuke heating up an already naturally hot atmosphere get's him absolutely no where, when there is no moisture in the air. In order for your plan to work, the team would have to pull out a massive Suiton technique out of there back pocket and evaporate it. It's not happening.

Orochimaru knowing all about it will do everything in his power to disrupt the prep, and make it harder on Sasuke to pull off. Such means can be attacking with Clones equipped with Kusanagi and snake summons from underneath Susano'o, and attempting to disrupt Sasuke's raiton connection from the outside. Not to mention Gai can knock Susano'o around with Hirudora, as with everything else I previously mentioned. It's not going to be as simple as Sasuke camping in Susano'o while the masters helplessly watch. Not relevant though, since Kirin can't be used here.

-Rashomon does not, and will not ever protect them from Team 7's attacks. KN4's not Mountain Sized Bijuu Dama blew through Rashomon and still had enough power to put Oro on his ass. FRS is near Kirin's Level. That's Mountain Level in power. Team 7 can use Kirin, FRS, Oodama FRS or Chou Oodama FRS and either one is > KN4's BD as the weakest two are Mountain Level.

And even if they couldn't get past Rashomon, they don't need to as setting up Kirin is an automatic win. If it weren't for the fact that Naruto wouldn't be able to obliterate Rashomon in one strike it'd be even more wise to ignore it and simply set up Kirin.

Ordinary Orochimaru was able to easily summon 3 Roshomon gates. Hashirama DNA amped Zetsu Orochimaru should easily be able to summon at least 5 gates. Also, whatever SM Naruto is throwing at it, would have to first clash it's way through Hiashi's amped Air Palms. Needless to say, it's not getting all the way through.

-Gama Rinsho isn't being set up before Kirin when Sasuke can spam here due to Sakura, and Naruto can make his flame much larger as shown when they turned a small Enton RS into a giant mass of flame against Obito. And when no one can do enough damage to Susanoo to make them fear the possibility of it being destroyed.




That wasn't even a regular sized FRS. So I'll leave how large a regular one would be plus an equal chakra amount of flame to your imagination. :lol If anyone in this team, including Oro, gets hit by something like that it's GG no re.

Don't feel the need to address any of this, unless you can prove how Kirin can be miraculously used here and how that FRS-Amaterasu combo lands on anyone.

-Mayfly and spores? Even if he lands spores on them Chidori Nagashi would destroy them. If Orochimaru himself shows up under their Susanoo then I shouldn't have to go into detail on why that's a death sentence as he'll be surrounded by Naruto and Sasuke w/ Sakura as a battery pack.

-Only Gai can dodge Amaterasu and Susanoo Arrows, and the only thing that will block them is Rashomon, but there is a counter for that.

I'm gonna say this again. Masters don't stand a chance. If this was ever a rape it'd be Team 7 raping their sensei not the other way around. :lol

I don't have any doubt that they can survive/counter these techniques. I'm arguing that all these collective attacks will buy enough time to prep Gama Rinsho, because it's simply too much. Orochimaru attacking with clones, spores, and snakes underneath Susano'o will require the team to devote their attention to him. They're not by any means just shrugging off Zetsu Orochimaru's efforts. While they're momentarily focused on removing the spores, Orochimaru can capatilize and fill Susano'o inside with 10,000 snakes equipped with Kusanagi; or attack with his white snake form, and let the poison knock them out, etc,. Gai can knock Susano'o around with Hirudora, causing it to awkwardly land on it's side or back; where SM Jiraiya can use Yomi Numa on it; while Tsunade and Hiashi are safely hiding behind the Roshomon gates, prepared to use amped Air Palms whenever needed.

It's too much, the students are stuck within Susano'o, which is nothing but a large target. The two characters on the battlefield they can't hit, because Gai is too fast, and Orochimaru is fighting with Mayfly. The other ones are protected behind Roshomon gates, equipped with the best medic in the manga, and someone who can seal Amaterasu away. The Masters DESTROY them.
 

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Damn KG said everything really

Lol @ air palm doing anything when again, Neji's with a Sakura boost will counteract Hiashi's EVERY TIME

Also if KG's scan wasn't enough its pretty obvious that clouds move quite a bit from where they're formed including over deserts which is why simply search up a desert and there will be clouds in the image, what a reaching argument.

Thanks for aiding my point. The clouds in the scan he posted formed somewhere else, and migrated over. There is no moisture in the air for Kirin to be prepped, and a few clouds isn't cutting it.

Also, just stop commenting on Air Palms. You, as usual, don't know what you're talking about. Neji's best feat alone is knocking away Kisame, Hiashi's best feat alone is knocking away a Jubi's tail. Both being boosted results in Hiashi's still shitting on Neji's.
 

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Lmao get this weak argument out of here. Like a lot of people who argue here, you are making up imaginary requirements for Oro to be able to use Zetsu's abilities. Bold is irrelevant. Of course you won't be able to show why the bold matters.

Orochimaru wanted to steal Sasuke's body to get Sharingan. Fact. Orochimaru's knowledge on how his own technique works is far more relevant than your nonsense opinion. Why this is even being argued by you is baffling in the first place as when Oro takes someone's body, for all intents and purposes he is that person but with a different psyche why would he not be able to use the Ninjutsu of the bodies he's in?

:lol

So go ahead and prove it. 100 million dollars on the line bruh
 

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Thanks for aiding my point. The clouds in the scan he posted formed somewhere else, and migrated over. There is no moisture in the air for Kirin to be prepped, and a few clouds isn't cutting it.

Also, just stop commenting on Air Palms. You, as usual, don't know what you're talking about. Neji's best feat alone is knocking away Kisame, Hiashi's best feat alone is knocking away a Jubi's tail. Both being boosted results in Hiashi's still shitting on Neji's.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

OT - I don't know. I'm on the fence as good arguments are being made on both sides; initially I favoured team 7, but lets see where this goes.
 

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Thanks for aiding my point. The clouds in the scan he posted formed somewhere else, and migrated over. There is no moisture in the air for Kirin to be prepped, and a few clouds isn't cutting it.

Also, just stop commenting on Air Palms. You, as usual, don't know what you're talking about. Neji's best feat alone is knocking away Kisame, Hiashi's best feat alone is knocking away a Jubi's tail. Both being boosted results in Hiashi's still shitting on Neji's.

The thing is that it was Begging of Shippuden Neji who fought Kisame this is War Arc Neji and second is that Hiashi used two hand to push Juubi's tail back and don't know why,but Neji dont know why,but he never used Air palm with two hands... and ya Hinata with Kyuubi cloak have same feat as Hiashi with one hand air palm... i think if Neji perform air palm with two hands he will have same feat as Hiashi, maybe lil weaker it will be,but still close..
 

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