Summoning Should Be Counted As A Part Of A Character's Arsenal

[Draphsin]

Too bad kabuto has to add in his talismans before he can effectively use his edos, its a part of his technique. He cant summon 20+ edos already pre-talisman'd & running at 100% efficiency before the match starts.

OT: Yes summoning obv counts as one's power.

 

[Denzel Washington]

Too bad kabuto has to add in his talismans before he can effectively use his edos, its a part of his technique. He cant summon 20+ edos already pre-talisman'd & running at 100& efficiency.

OT: Yes summoning obv counts as one's power.

Adding the talismans beforehand is no different than perfecting Rasengan before you use it in battle.

 

[Draphsin]

Adding the talismans beforehand is no different than perfecting Rasengan before you use it in battle.

Nope

Adding in the talismans is the same thing as Naruto starting a fight in BM, or kabuto starting a fight in SM, or Madara starting in PS, etc...

Nobody is allowed to obtain their full power without meeting the necessary conditions first. Those conditions cant be met before the battle, thats prep time & if you dont count that then i can count konan as top 3-5 due to her paper bombs.

 

[Denzel Washington]

Nope

Adding in the talismans is the same thing as Naruto starting a fight in BM, or kabuto starting a fight in SM, or Madara starting in PS, etc...

Nobody is allowed to obtain their full power without meeting the necessary conditions first. Those conditions cant be met before the battle, thats prep time & if you dont count that then i can count konan as top 3-5 due to her paper bombs.

So we can't count Naruto's rasengan, ever, then. He has to start from absolute base form from part 1 in every fight.

 

[Draphsin]

So we can't count Naruto's rasengan, ever, then. He has to start from absolute base form from part 1 in every fight.

Why?

I didnt say that you dont need training...The necessary conditions for naruto's rasengan is that he needs to do the shape manipulation first. A rasengan doesnt just spawn in his hands, he has to make it an attack first.

Just like kabuto's edos, he has to make them his killing machines before he can use them as his killing machines.

 

[AfricanProdigy]

CAUSE ITS BLOODY TRANSPORTATION TECHNIQUE...... LMAOOO. HE HAS THE POWER TO SUMMON THE DEAD BACK.. BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE MUU AND THE 3rd RAIKAGE part of his power.. lmaoo



Its the same as FTG... lmaoo

You're misunderstanding. The point he's getting across is that it's a ninjutsu that needs to be learned and requires you to gather/mold chakra, so as long as a ninja has a ninjutsu like so, it is considered a part of their power, REGARDLESS of whether it's a Summoning Jutsu or a Space-Time Ninjutsu.
You really need to read these posts better next time, people will think you are a fool...

 

[Denzel Washington]

Why?

I didnt say that you dont need training...The necessary conditions for naruto's rasengan is that he needs to do the shape manipulation first. A rasengan doesnt just spawn in his hands, he has to make it an attack first.

Just like kabuto's edos, he has to make them killing machines before he can use them as killing machines.

Ok I can see where you're coming from now...

Although summoning the corpses and then applying the tag shouldn't be difficult with his natural skillset. He can buy himself time, I'd imagine. He'd need 15 seconds, at most.

 

[Draphsin]

Ok I can see where you're coming from now...

Although summoning the corpses and then applying the tag shouldn't be difficult with his natural skillset. He can buy himself time, I'd imagine. He'd need 15 seconds, at most.

Yeah youre right it wouldnt be difficult, but it would take time because he doesnt have much to defend himself with in cqc. I dont see how he can buy himself that much time without retreating & going into SM first.

Logically speaking, I say he can probably summon & program 2 edos before he has to retreat.

 

[KingHashirama]

Woah, caps lock rage much? Calm down bro.

As long as Kabuto can summon Muu, 3rd Raikage, and Trollkage to sh*tstomp anybody, they are his own power and he wins.

Then Hashirama >> 3rd Raikage + DSM KAbuto + MUU + Kinkaku and Ginkaku + Chiyo + Ameyuri Ringo+Asuma Sarutobi +Chen +Chiyo +Chūkichi +Dan Katō +Deidara +Fourth Kazekage+Fū + Fuguki +Gari +Haku+Han
+Hanzō + many more

But apparently you still don't get what a summon is..... and the caps were the main point i was trying to get you to understand.......

I think the point is...if you can control it. It is considered part of your arsenal, thus part of your power.

I mean really, edo tensi are just zombies...if some one can control zombies, that's part of their power...the only reason we think it isn't is because we've seen a couple of Edo Tensi who happen to have there personalities still intact. If Kabuto didn't allow any personality, we all would have merely seen the EDo Tensi as another summoning type jutsu...except without all the complaining that a summon usually makes.

I'd like to reference Fairy Tail, in that Celestial Mages only abilities are summoning powerful celestial spirits... those spirits are considered part of those Mages power.

Hashirama controls his clan... Madara controls his clan.. Naruto controls the army.. and on forth. Kabuto's edos were called a ARMY not "KABUTO"... Sure they have the whole "Kabuto vs Onoki" thing... but Kabuto was the main one...

Edo tensei is the dead being revived back.. it is teleportation of the dead souls back into bodies. Summoning is used for transportation... Otherwise Ma nad Pa should be up there.

Celestial spirits are considered part of the Sages powers because they rely on them... they work together.. can they use them whenever the want? nope...That was already demonstrated in the first episode of fairytale. But those are magical beasts... vs this is not magical.. but simple transportation of living things..... 2 different universes.

 

[Denzel Washington]

Yeah youre right it wouldnt be difficult, but it would take time because he doesnt have much to defend himself with in cqc. I dont see how he can buy himself that much time without retreating & going into SM first.

Logically speaking, I say he can probably summon & program 2 edos before he has to retreat.

Holding his own against two MS users is pretty impressive, even if he can only get two off that'd be enough to put him in top 3 I'd think.

Because it'd almost be like a compounding effect... He gets the two, they stall for him, he gets more ready...

But yeah I get what you were saying before, and I can agree with that.

 

[KingHashirama]

Holding his own against two MS users is pretty impressive, even if he can only get two off that'd be enough to put him in top 3 I'd think.

Because it'd almost be like a compounding effect... He gets the two, they stall for him, he gets more ready...

But yeah I get what you were saying before, and I can agree with that.

Sasuke and Itachi couldn't go full strength.. lol. They HAD to stay more on the defense.

You're misunderstanding. The point he's getting across is that it's a ninjutsu that needs to be learned and requires you to gather/mold chakra, so as long as a ninja has a ninjutsu like so, it is considered a part of their power, REGARDLESS of whether it's a Summoning Jutsu or a Space-Time Ninjutsu.
You really need to read these posts better next time, people will think you are a fool...

He is saying the Edos summoned by Edo tensei are part of the user's power.. atleast know what we are discussing before trying to tell others that they look like fools.

 

[Denzel Washington]

Sasuke and Itachi couldn't go full strength.. lol. They HAD to stay more on the defense.

I understand they weren't trying to kill him, but it's impressive nonetheless. He at least subdued them for awhile, which would be more than enough time to get at least 1 Edo ready.

 

[aimop95]

Hashirama controls his clan... Madara controls his clan.. Naruto controls the army.. and on forth. Kabuto's edos were called a ARMY not "KABUTO"... Sure they have the whole "Kabuto vs Onoki" thing... but Kabuto was the main one...

Edo tensei is the dead being revived back.. it is teleportation of the dead souls back into bodies. Summoning is used for transportation... Otherwise Ma nad Pa should be up there.

Celestial spirits are considered part of the Sages powers because they rely on them... they work together.. can they use them whenever the want? nope...That was already demonstrated in the first episode of fairytale. But those are magical beasts... vs this is not magical.. but simple transportation of living things..... 2 different universes.

Kabuto programmed the edo tensi to fight. They themselves admitted that their bodies moved without their permission.
The reason Edo Tensi is considered more zombie than actual resurrection is because those souls may or may not have permission to do what they want.

Kabuto basically was creating robots to fight for him...

 

[Draphsin]

Holding his own against two MS users is pretty impressive, even if he can only get two off that'd be enough to put him in top 3 I'd think.

That fight is debatable, the uchiha bros couldnt kill kabuto, so they werent going on the offensive. I still say Obito, Nagato & Naruto beat him (along with hashi/madara) due to sheer speed of their techniques, which would force kabuto to retreat.

Because it'd almost be like a compounding effect... He gets the two, they stall for him, he gets more ready...

He could do that, but as ive said, there are lots of ninja who could blitz most of the edos that kabuto summons.

But yeah I get what you were saying before, and I can agree with that.

Im glad, many people think that kabuto can instantly summon 30+ edos automatically, Its completely illogical & broken in a fight so I dislike when people assume thats how it is .

 

[Denzel Washington]

That fight is debatable, the uchiha bros couldnt kill kabuto, so they werent going on the offensive. I still say Obito, Nagato & Naruto beat him (along with hashi/madara) due to sheer speed of their techniques, which would force kabuto to retreat.



He could do that, but as ive said, there are lots of ninja who could blitz most of the edos that kabuto summons.



Im glad, many people think that kabuto can instantly summon 30+ edos automatically, Its completely illogical & broken in a fight so I dislike when people assume thats how it is .

Yeah blitzers would be a problem. Kabuto's best reaction feat is dodging the Susano'o Arrow, but that still won't help him against most speed blitzers.

 

[KingHashirama]

Kabuto programmed the edo tensi to fight. They themselves admitted that their bodies moved without their permission.
The reason Edo Tensi is considered more zombie than actual resurrection is because those souls may or may not have permission to do what they want.

Kabuto basically was creating robots to fight for him...

No.. he was placing a programing device in living things to do something else...... Did Kabuto use his own chakra in the attacks? no... then its not his power..

 

[Denzel Washington]

No.. he was placing a programing device in living things to do something else...... Did Kabuto use his own chakra in the attacks? no... then its not his power..

Then any kunai thrown is not the user's power.

 

[aimop95]

No.. he was placing a programing device in living things to do something else...... Did Kabuto use his own chakra in the attacks? no... then its not his power..

Edo tensi are not living. They don't have actual working bodies...they don't need to eat, sleep, or really do anything an actual living body needs.

And Kabuto programmed the Edo Tensi to fight automatically and counter enemy jutsu. The Raikage, Mizukage and KazeKage and practically every single other Edo Tensi admitted to not having any control over their bodies. I don't see what this, "something else" is because there is no other reason...there is no other "something else". When Kabuto programs a body to fight, it will fight.

And Kabuto used his own Chakara to resurrect the bodies. An Edo Tensi with or without a personality is the same as any weapon in a ninja's arsenal, be that arsenal be made up of jutsu or weapons. Why? Because that Edo Tensi cannot stop himself from attacking Kabuto's enemies. It is part of that ninja's "power".

 

[KingHashirama]

Then any kunai thrown is not the user's power.

It is a tool...... Living things are not tools... You can use the person "AS" or "LIKE" a tool.. but that does not make them a tool.. they are still their own individual...

Edo tensi are not living. They don't have actual working bodies...they don't need to eat, sleep, or really do anything an actual living body needs.

And Kabuto programmed the Edo Tensi to fight automatically and counter enemy jutsu. The Raikage, Mizukage and KazeKage and practically every single other Edo Tensi admitted to not having any control over their bodies. I don't see what this, "something else" is because there is no other reason...there is no other "something else". When Kabuto programs a body to fight, it will fight.

And Kabuto used his own Chakara to resurrect the bodies. An Edo Tensi with or without a personality is the same as any weapon in a ninja's arsenal, be that arsenal be made up of jutsu or weapons. Why? Because that Edo Tensi cannot stop himself from attacking Kabuto's enemies. It is part of that ninja's "power".

Really it will fight? That is why Orochimaru failed against Hashirama? Hashirama being able to break the Bindign of Orochimaru shows that Edo tensei people are individuals..

Your saying Ninja A is part of Ninja B's power because Ninja B transported ninja A from place A to place B..... which is quite BS.


The fact that you do not get what Edo tensei is the very reason you don't understand why it is not the user's power.... You seem to think if the jutsu requires you to summon another being.. it makes the being part of your power... which is no the case here.

Ino can do mind transfer jutsu into Obito's body.. does that make Obito's body her power? no.. Just because you can mind control someone it does not make someone else's power your own.....

Proffessor X from X-men can control people with mind powers... does that mean that others are part of his power? no. it means he has the power to control others..

And just because they are dead.. does not mean they aren't individuals.. the bodies have living souls in them ;]