Suggestion: Remove the Custom Jutsu Limit

Do you want the 70 allowed custom techniques-rule removed?


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I joined up in late 2010. Just as they do now, the seniors always told us of the glorious days of NB, the days where the role-play was fun and awesome. Back then, I always wondered what it was that made late 2008 and most of 2009 so cool, but now I think I know. It was not, as some would say, because of the easy customs or completely individual fighting-styles, because while those were certainly good points, they didn't create life in the role-play. No, what really made the 'old times' worth the bad spelling, terrible grammar and overuse of emoticons worth it, was that there was fewer restrictions in the role-play.
Today, there are restrictions everywhere and on everything, but I'm actually not bothered by most of them. Untill now.
Yesterday, a rule was published and put into effect. The rule puts a limit on the amount of customs you can be allowed to use. When I was done reading the rule, I couldn't help but sigh in defeat.
Dear Moderators. If this was your doing, I can only wonder why you want to kill the role-play.
Canon techniques are good, they're safe and we have data on them that describes how they look, how they're performed and what they do. But as you all know, custom techniques are the life-blood of this role-play.
In the old days, becoming an individual fighter, even creating your own style was possible just with canon techniques. It's not possible anymore. This community will continue to grow and, as a direct result of that, the role-play will grow.
Custom techniques are my way of bringing a bit of individualism into the fight. Custom techniques allows a fighter to take a deep breath, knowing that he has something his opponent does not, and then widen his eyes in fright when the opponent shoots his own custom technique back at him.
This rule is probably yet another attempt to create a good equilibrium, where everybody has roughly the same amount of special abilities, custom techniques and power overall. While I approve of your attempt at promoting strategical thinking and battle tactics, I grit my teeth at this rule.
I have about 300, if not more, custom techniques. Many believe that being allowed to use a custom is pretty easy and that making your own, approveable custom is a piece of cake. Honestly, it isn't. Everything I have, from first to last is something I've fought for. I've spend a year of my life talking, trading, fighting and writing for new custom techniques, and now you want to cut me off. When the Hachimon were disallowed on bio's with a Kekkei Genkai, you allowed the existing bio's breaking that rule to exist. When bio's with both Sage Mode, EIG and implanted Mangekyou Sharingans were outlawed, you allowed the existing ones to exist. You allowed those who had fought for their abilities to keep them, but now you want to spit on me and so many other peoples' work?
It's been proposed that the five elements should be restricted to three, because, technically, a Ninja can only use all the five if he has the Rinnegan. Do you remember what was adviced every time?
"Just include that rule in your personal fight, we don't want to restrict the entire RP."
The same can be said for custom techniques. Even now we have fights and tournaments where customs are disallowed, so why do you force me and many others to drop our work into the bin?
Drop this rule, you're tightening your already choking grip on this role-play and one day it's going to burst.
I was linked to this by Yard:
It's a petition, urging people to sign in order to get the aforementioned 70-rule removed. I all but beg every serious role-player here; sign this petition. This is not a matter of being OP or spamming CJ's, all of those problems can be solved with individual restrictions in battle threads. This is about all of us, old as new, being forced to discard something we've worked hard for.
We need to change our mentality, not the rules. I say; a free NB is a creative NB! Don't take away our freedom.
I hope you'll show your support and sign the petition.

EDIT: I'd like to quote Yard, who made the petition. This is his profile message:
Out of my entire rp experience my cj's are like my memories, each one holds sentimental value. And I don't have anything to show for my entire year (6 months online time) total. And now the only thing I had slightly to show is gone.
This means that if you were like me with around 300 custom jutsus, you have to get rid of 230 or in anyone else case, you have to get rid of every jutsu past 70. This not only takes away from the rp greatly but also limiting an rp'er more than the newer generations already are. People having over 70 jutsus was not hurting anyone, there isn't a reason why you shouldn't be allowed to use any custom jutsu you are able to use. Please sign the petition, RP is having fun restricted for no reason at all.
Not everyone gains Curse Marks, Sage Mode, the Eight Gates or Yin & Yang. Some base much of their role-playing on customs.

I ticked the wrong button. :|
So, yeah. I want the 70-rule removed. Even though I don't RP, I can see where most people are coming from with the "it's less fun now" thing.
Shit -.-, I voted Wrong.
I was so in a hurry. When I saw I don't want 7p Cj rule, I clicked it. =\ and didn't see REMOVED.
FUUUUUU

Well I am against it. I want rule removed.
i voted wrong aswell -.-

i want rule removed( even though i have less than 20 customs :shy: )
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i havent learned rp yet but i support i signed
i can understand approving a ton of customs can be hard work but you can easily take your time its not like it needs to be approved in 1 hour plus i mean if it takes away fun like he said thats just stupid
 
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Dear Moderators. If this was your doing, I can only wonder why you want to kill the role-play.
Who's doing would it be? Lol. And no, no one wants to kill the role-play zero. As for the over restrictions and limitations, they needed to be enforced daily because of abuse. Yes, in the old days things were looser....but role-players were also much more trustworthy and "correct". Overcoming the system and finding loopholes wasn't an issue. And with much fewer members, you could simply control most of it through logic and memory. Now, something like that is impossible to do, thus the current restrictions in many things. Believe me, there are no useless or pointless restrictions.

As for the limit was decided amongst us to prevent abuse and bring balance to the role-play. And this abuse was verified countless times before. Initially the proposal was to limit to 70...in general. This would mean 35+35. I managed to convince and get the limit up to 70 although i believed we should enforce other things first, instead of this. What i feared happened, as i'm now the flagship of hate as people believe i was the sole responsible for it lollolol

I understand your own customs being a sign of your creative mind, your individuality, your hard work. But customs from others are just a proof of your social skills or a proof that you have something others want and they give you customs to obtain it.

This said, I'm completely indifferent to it being limited or unrestricted, as long as i don't find people misusing customs that belong to long inactive members that they didn't even met or other kinds of abuses.

If enough people sign that petition or manifest their will against it, i'm sure the limit may change or be lifted.
 
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All I have to say is, sign the petition. I don't even have 1 CJ approved, but there shouldn't be a limit to the number of CJ you should have.
 
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Zero, I couldn't agree more.
I personally only have maybe six customs at this point in time and four of those include a summoning. Now although this may not apply to me at this present point in time but I must agree this rule or 'restriction' is absolutely ridiculous.

This is almost discrimination towards all those people who have been here for many of years and worked their buts off to get what they have now. Like Zero mentioned he has 300+ customs and you just expect him to throw away 230 of those? I mean get real and take a moment to think of what your are doing to the RP system, your killing it. Customs are supposed to add to the FUN and add EXCITEMENT in RPing and you (Whoever enforced this rule, I am not targeting anyone in general) is taking that away, from everyone.

Customs are a way to show each persons 'uniqueness' and creative edge. Customs are used as ones 'secret weapon' as not everyone has them. It also shows off ones intelligence because they have taken the time to think and write their ideas and turning it into a part of their individuality. I do however see where you are coming from, trying to make everything as fair as possible. But isn't that why the rule Custom Jutsu: Allowed/Disallowed Comes into play when setting the rules of a fight? The choice is given to all of those who RP whether Customs are allowed to be used in battle. It's also incredibly fun and I personally enjoy reading some peoples creations.

"A free NB is a creative NB! Don't take away our freedom."
 
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Who's doing would it be? Lol. And no, no one wants to kill the role-play zero. As for the over restrictions and limitations, they needed to be enforced daily because of abuse. Yes, in the old days things were looser....but role-players were also much more trustworthy and "correct". Overcoming the system and finding loopholes wasn't an issue. And with much fewer members, you could simply control most of it through logic and memory. Now, something like that is impossible to do, thus the current restrictions in many things. Believe me, there are no useless or pointless restrictions.

As for the limit was decided amongst us to prevent abuse and bring balance to the role-play. And this abuse was verified countless times before. Initially the proposal was to limit to 70...in general. This would mean 35+35. I managed to convince and get the limit up to 70 although i believed we should enforce other things first, instead of this. What i feared happened, as i'm now the flagship of hate as people believe i was the sole responsible for it lollolol

I understand your own customs being a sign of your creative mind, your individuality, your hard work. But customs from others are just a proof of your social skills or a proof that you have something others want and they give you customs to obtain it.

This said, I'm completely indifferent to it being limited or unrestricted, as long as i don't find people misusing customs that belong to long inactive members that they didn't even met or other kinds of abuses.

If enough people sign that petition or manifest their will against it, i'm sure the limit may change or be lifted.
Notice the plural form ;) I'm pretty sure you don't have the power to create a rule like that without consulting the other Moderators and Admins. So, no, I don't hold you responsible for the new rule, only ignorant people would holed you solely responsible. I'm glad that you expressed your own oppinion on the matter though, because that will certainly put a stop to some of the 'hate', as things have now been clarified and explained.
And about the flagship of hate? Oh please, I doubt you'll suffer much. You'll get a few verbal barbs and infract whoever did it. You have the power to punish your haters, the rest of us don't have that power. I don't think you need more pity than the rest of the hater-targets.

Trustworthy role-play in the old times? You do know that the customs and abilities/biographies that have the real potential to being abused are customs and abilities/biographies from back then, right? But like I mentioned before; it was a whole other set of rules back then.

Ah, the good old abuse argument. I just can't take that seriously when almost every Moderator has their own super-powered biographies and custom techniques from 2009.
But yes, of course we need to prevent abuse, but that's what the report-button is for. What you're doing is hardly preventive, because people will, naturally, choose their best customs to be included in that 70-rule.

Lastly: Old role-players being more "correct"? What? Elaborate.
 

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I like the rule, but I hardly use custom jutsus myself, so meh, I have to disagree on agreeing with your point.

70 CJ's is a lot in my opinion, and as scorps said, it's mostly social skills if they aren't your own really.
 
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I'm in agreement with the whole point of not restricting the customs, but you can see where the staff are coming from. As Scorps has said, the amount of CJ comes from the social side of things, and how good you are with people, hence the amount of CJs people have access to. I'm still for having unlimited customs, but maybe a different route has to be taken on the matter.

What I mean is something Kryptiic said, the part about customs being a secret weapon; something not everyone has access to. If this principle were applied to the customs, it would firstly, restrict the amount of customs people have and secondly, still allow people to have 'unlimited' customs. If there were say, 20 of the customs which you were allowed to share with whoever you wanted and the rest being for yourself, then that might be more wise. It still gives each person a sense of uniqueness in the CJs they can use, as well as restricting the amount everyone can use.
 
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Notice the plural form ;) I'm pretty sure you don't have the power to create a rule like that without consulting the other Moderators and Admins. So, no, I don't hold you responsible for the new rule, only ignorant people would holed you solely responsible. I'm glad that you expressed your own oppinion on the matter though, because that will certainly put a stop to some of the 'hate', as things have now been clarified and explained.
And about the flagship of hate? Oh please, I doubt you'll suffer much. You'll get a few verbal barbs and infract whoever did it. You have the power to punish your haters, the rest of us don't have that power. I don't think you need more pity than the rest of the hater-targets.

Trustworthy role-play in the old times? You do know that the customs and abilities/biographies that have the real potential to being abused are customs and abilities/biographies from back then, right? But like I mentioned before; it was a whole other set of rules back then.

Ah, the good old abuse argument. I just can't take that seriously when almost every Moderator has their own super-powered biographies and custom techniques from 2009.
But yes, of course we need to prevent abuse, but that's what the report-button is for. What you're doing is hardly preventive, because people will, naturally, choose their best customs to be included in that 70-rule.

Lastly: Old role-players being more "correct"? What? Elaborate.
People misunderstand the role of a moderator. I can't nor should i punish a member for hating me... I should and i could punish him if he offends me bluntly. Other than that, if he expresses his hateful opinion in a civilized manner or behind the scenes (IRC, MSN, etc) far away from the sphere of NB, i can't nor should i do a thing. Even if I know perfectly well what is said. Lol. Opinion is something everyone is entitled to, and no mod can take it away from you if expressing it doesn't break the rules or the harmony of NB.

We aren't above the rules nor do we abuse it. Its a bit too much to state that. And this rule affects the mods also. So no, no one is above the restrictions. And please, look at me? Overpowered Bios?

The problem with the report button is that people only use it to flame or punish those who they don't like in 96% of the cases. If it was used as it should, most of these problems wouldn't exist. However, they do.

As for the old members i think either you misunderstood me or i didn't explain myself clearly. What i meant to say was the RP was much smaller, with less members. Most of those came online and had fun with playful behavior, etc. The objective wasn't power or winning. And because of the overall mood of the RP, the members didn't tend to violate the rules as much as they do now. And, because the RP was so smaller, the staff could easily keep it in check without having to have much work or trouble, as coughing the abusers was so much easier with 100 members than it is with 1000 or 2000.

Abuse always existed...but now its both easier and more common because of the size of the community.
 
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I'm in agreement with the whole point of not restricting the customs, but you can see where the staff are coming from. As Scorps has said, the amount of CJ comes from the social side of things, and how good you are with people, hence the amount of CJs people have access to. I'm still for having unlimited customs, but maybe a different route has to be taken on the matter.

What I mean is something Kryptiic said, the part about customs being a secret weapon; something not everyone has access to. If this principle were applied to the customs, it would firstly, restrict the amount of customs people have and secondly, still allow people to have 'unlimited' customs. If there were say, 20 of the customs which you were allowed to share with whoever you wanted and the rest being for yourself, then that might be more wise. It still gives each person a sense of uniqueness in the CJs they can use, as well as restricting the amount everyone can use.
You'll find that many people have what they call 'Personal Customs'. Basically, it's techniques they don't share. I have my two Melody Art techniques, shared only with my best buddy and my inactive trainer. Custom techniques differ in power and importance to their user. While your suggestion could be applied, I think it's wiser to let people sort out which customs they consider personal on their own.
 

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I for once think that they should be restricted in number (and btw - wasn't there always restriction? I think there was...). From RP side - having unlimited number of CJs can make you practically invulnerable. Since many CJs have been made to counter cannon techs or other CJs, when one has unlimited number of them he can easily fend off any attack. Not to mention obvious OPness of CJs when compared to cannon techs which, when used in manga, make characters tremble in fear and here they almost make you laugh. There is also "Keeping with reality" side (even with fictional one) - Take Kakashi, for example. Having sharingan allowed him to absorb jutsu-based information like a sponge and yet he only made few jutsus of his own. He should, by all standards, have tantamount knowledge for creating CJs, but still he only has around 10 of them. He didn't even have good idea for creating Rasenshuriken and he was mauling it in his mind for X number of years (along with geniuses like Jiraiya and Minato). What I mean to say - in Narutoverse, jutsu creation is not a child's play. It's apparently very hard thing to achieve and yet, here we make them almost on a whim. Just my opinion - don't be too harsh on me if you disagree :D
 

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i agree with zero. mainy the part where he said that mebers like lets take icemytser for example he has an aburame bio with an implanted bakugan the reason he got to keep it was because that rule was outlawed after he made that bio, so the same should go for us who already ahve that amount of customs in this rule as well. atleast we derserve the fiarness the old memebers got they got to keep implants after the rule was out lawed so we should be allowed all the customs we already have if we had them before this rule was made!
 

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I ticked the wrong button. :|
So, yeah. I want the 70-rule removed. Even though I don't RP, I can see where most people are coming from with the "it's less fun now" thing.
 

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I for once think that they should be restricted in number (and btw - wasn't there always restriction? I think there was...). From RP side - having unlimited number of CJs can make you practically invulnerable. Since many CJs have been made to counter cannon techs or other CJs, when one has unlimited number of them he can easily fend off any attack. Not to mention obvious OPness of CJs when compared to cannon techs which, when used in manga, make characters tremble in fear and here they almost make you laugh. There is also "Keeping with reality" side (even with fictional one) - Take Kakashi, for example. Having sharingan allowed him to absorb jutsu-based information like a sponge and yet he only made few jutsus of his own. He should, by all standards, have tantamount knowledge for creating CJs, but still he only has around 10 of them. He didn't even have good idea for creating Rasenshuriken and he was mauling it in his mind for X number of years (along with geniuses like Jiraiya and Minato). What I mean to say - in Narutoverse, jutsu creation is not a child's play. It's apparently very hard thing to achieve and yet, here we make them almost on a whim. Just my opinion - don't be too harsh on me if you disagree :D
you make it sound like making useful or strong CJ is easy as making instant noodles.

i am not fan of CJs, but i disagree with limitation of them


BUT, i would like to point out something completely different, here it is:

RESTRICT TO HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU CAN GIVE 1 CJ


that is something completely different and would be more logical, Kakashi taught Chidori only to 1 person, Sasuke
 
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the good RP,s should challenge the staff members to a fight >_> who wins, decides.

But i think its a good idea to have a limit, i mean, we the new people, dont want to feel weak in front of the senior RP...

70 is more than ok..why would you want more? it would be greatly unfair..you would be way too OP.

EDIT: Besides, isnt the purpose of RP to have fun? look at you all going against each other for something like this....
 
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the good RP,s should challenge the staff members to a fight >_> who wins, decides.

But i think its a good idea to have a limit, i mean, we the new people, dont want to feel weak in front of the senior RP...

70 is more than ok..why would you want more? it would be greatly unfair..you would be way too OP.

EDIT: Besides, isnt the purpose of RP to have fun? look at you all going against each other for something like this....
The purpose of the RP is to have fun. IMO, limiting diversity is not fun in any way.
Here, play, but you can only play with that, and only once, and only in a certain way.
 

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The purpose of the RP is to have fun. IMO, limiting diversity is not fun in any way.
Here, play, but you can only play with that, and only once, and only in a certain way.
If i recall, mods dont tell us what to use in a fight, nor how many times, in the CJ thread we decide the # of times...and yes in a certain way is correct.

why want more than 70 CJ? that is already a big number...
 
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