Strongest person...

[Chaosmark101]

hey guys! Saw this match up on NF earlier this week that peaked my interest. It was Taka Sasuke (w/rib cage susanoo) Vs Hebi Sasuke, most came to the consensus that taka sasuke wins due to being able to do almost everything hebi sauce can do + Amaterasu.

So I'm curious... Who do you think is the strongest shinobi
Taka MS Sasuke (Killer Bee fight) can beat?

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SC2: He can use V1 Ribcage susanoo

I think he can beat Deidara & maybe... pre war arc Kakashi. I'm curious what you guys think

 

[LuckyMan]

He already beat Deidara and Itachi in Hebi you damn baboon.

He'll beat the same people in both scenarios. Ribcage doesn't really add anything useful especially since most people in that tier range can bust it.

 

[Chaosmark101]

He already beat Deidara and Itachi in Hebi you damn baboon.

He'll beat the same people in both scenarios. Ribcage doesn't really add anything useful especially since most people in that tier range can bust it.

Lawl, Itachi was already dying of his illness during that fight, & wasn't fighting to kill. Nothing would have saved him from from repeated ama's, or Itachi's V4 Susanoo.


And the Ribcage adds some decent defense.
I mean some defense > no defense right?

So back on subject, who do you think Taka Sasuke can beat since you didn't answer the question?...

 

[A v i]

MS is without a doubt stronger version of him. Although MS is stronger ,MS Sasuke can't do anything Hebi Sasuke can do. He doesn't have Orochimaru jutsu or any of his abilities which makes a significant difference b/w Hebi and Taka.


I can't believe that people are sill under the impression Sasuke won against Itachi even when manga made it clear that Sasuke would have died if Itachi really wanted to kill him.

 

[New Dawn]

MS is without a doubt stronger version of him. Although MS is stronger ,MS Sasuke can't do anything Hebi Sasuke can do. He doesn't have Orochimaru jutsu or any of his abilities which makes a significant difference b/w Hebi and Taka.


I can't believe that people are sill under the impression Sasuke won against Itachi even when manga made it clear that Sasuke would have died if Itachi really wanted to kill him.

This is NB VS forum for you. Check out my Akatsuki ranking thread and see the difference. Most here believe Deidara > sasori when it was explicitly stated in the Manga by DEIDARA himself that Sasori was superior.

 

[A v i]

This is NB VS forum for you. Check out my Akatsuki ranking thread and see the difference. Most here believe Deidara > sasori when it was explicitly stated in the Manga by DEIDARA himself that Sasori was superior.

It was kinda expected since we care more about feats than hype in here. But Itachi is being treated as weaker than Hebi Sasuke when his abilities clearly outclasses him which is why I find it extremely odd for people to think Sasuke actually defeated Itachi. And ya there is no denying it if Deidara himself admits that he's weaker than Sasori but when it comes down to what we have seen from them then it's completely possible to make an argument that favours Deidara.

 

[Kooljay]

Killer Bee or SM Naruto

 

[Chaosmark101]

Killer Bee or SM Naruto

#keepthatarmstrong

 

[Kooljay]

#keepthatarmstrong

Amaterasu would kill both.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Amaterasu would kill both.

Lmao no it wouldn't.
Killer Bee already countered lolterasu & SM Naruto can sense the build up

 

[Kooljay]

Lmao no it wouldn't.
Killer Bee already countered lolterasu & SM Naruto can sense the build up

He countered it by performing a unique substitution jutsu and fleeing...which is a loss. Even then he can only do that in Bijuu mode. Naruto sensing the build up means nothing. 1. Naruto has no knowledge of the jutsu. He might think its Tsukuyomi and close his eyes or look away. 2. Him sensing the jutsu doesnt mean anything. There is still nothing he can do.

 

[Chaosmark101]

He countered it by performing a unique substitution jutsu and fleeing...which is a loss. Even then he can only do that in Bijuu mode. Naruto sensing the build up means nothing. 1. Naruto has no knowledge of the jutsu. He might think its Tsukuyomi and close his eyes or look away. 2. Him sensing the jutsu doesnt mean anything. There is still nothing he can do.

Fact of the matter is KB in Canon survived, punked & trolled him. & MS Sasuke can't take a bijuu dama what is this garbage.

For Naruto's case.
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2.Even if for some miraculous reason Naruto can't sense the build up in chakra

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So just like Ay who reacted by seeing his eye bleed Naruto can throw a smoke bomb rendering ama useless. Than FRS ends his ass.

Even if it were to hit him, he can also be take off his upper robe seeing how

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This would give him intel for the rest of the fight.

 

[Kooljay]

Fact of the matter is KB in Canon survived, punked & trolled him. & MS Sasuke can't take a bijuu dama what is this garbage.

For Naruto's case.
1. He

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2.Even if for some miraculous reason Naruto can't sense the build up in chakra

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So just like Ay who reacted by seeing his eye bleed Naruto can throw a smoke bomb rendering ama useless. Than FRS ends his ass.

Even if it were to hit him, he can also be take off his upper robe seeing how

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This would give him intel for the rest of the fight.

Fact of the matter is he ran away from people trying to kill/capture him. Sasuke doesnt need to be able to. He can activate his mangekyo sharingan and shoot amaterasu before Bee can transform and shoot one off. Bee is simply outclassed unless he immediately goes in with Kenjutsu.


As for Naruto

1. No he doesnt. Does he know that that is a MS jutsu? No he does not. Does he know that the concetration in Itachi's eye means he will shoot flames? No. Fact of the matter is, Naruto would have to wait until after the jutsu is activated to even know its Amaterasu. He doesnt even know Sasuke has Amaterasu or the MS. If he notices Sasuke has the MS, then that means he looking at his eyes which means hes put in a genjutsu. Kurama doesnt care, Sasuke has showcased mind controlling genjutsu, and he shown a very limited control of kurama.

2. How would it tip him off? Pain Arc Naruto would have no idea what that meant. You're giving him knowledge he doesnt have. Throwing a smoke bomb wouldnt do anything. Naruto either has to get out the way or die. Ay didnt react to the blood. AMaterasu was shot and he dodged after. He could perceive it.

Karin lived because Sasuke turned Amaterasu off. There also isnt any proof Naruto could hold composure while lit on fire. Even then, Sasuke could just shoot another one, or aim for his face.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Fact of the matter is he ran away from people trying to kill/capture him. Sasuke doesnt need to be able to. He can activate his mangekyo sharingan and shoot amaterasu before Bee can transform and shoot one off. Bee is simply outclassed unless he immediately goes in with Kenjutsu.

And I'm telling you Sasuke firing off Amaterasu at a PJ like Bee does nothing when he can easily throw up a V1 cloak like Base Naruto to shit on

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As for Naruto

1. No he doesnt. Does he know that that is a MS jutsu? No he does not. Does he know that the concetration in Itachi's eye means he will shoot flames? No. Fact of the matter is, Naruto would have to wait until after the jutsu is activated to even know its Amaterasu. He doesnt even know Sasuke has Amaterasu or the MS. If he notices Sasuke has the MS, then that means he looking at his eyes which means hes put in a genjutsu. Kurama doesnt care, Sasuke has showcased mind controlling genjutsu, and he shown a very limited control of kurama.

So Cee, Ay, & Darui were put in a genjutsu the moment Sasuke started using his MS? Refer back to my scan, his eye started to bleed before amaterasu was fired. And Cee & Darui had a conversation all the while. Next point like I already said above SM Naruto already has an expendable robe he can throw off it's hit with Ama, giving him intel for the rest of the fight to be counter by Smoke bombs (blocking LOS) or spawning clones (to block LOS)

2. How would it tip him off? Pain Arc Naruto would have no idea what that meant. You're giving him knowledge he doesnt have. Throwing a smoke bomb wouldnt do anything. Naruto either has to get out the way or die. Ay didnt react to the blood. Amaterasu was shot and he dodged after. He could perceive it.

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Cee clearly said Ay kept his lightning armor up, to counter with shunshin. He was ready.

Also Ay got to take a glance at his eyes, noticing MS. Cee & Darui did they Sasuke didn't put them under genjutsu.He doesn't have rinnegan genjutsu here guy.

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Karin lived because Sasuke turned Amaterasu off. There also isnt any proof Naruto could hold composure while lit on fire. Even then, Sasuke could just shoot another one, or aim for his face.

Taka MS Sasuke hasn't shown precision of that level.
He's only shown 1 Amaterasu. But using such a taxing jutsu like Amaterasu, on SM Naruto is his own downfall.
because he'll be able to sense it, with clones he won't know who the real one is & may waste Ama on Pain Arc SM Naruto's 2-3 clones. & He'll still have near 0 defense from senpo cho odama rasengans, Frog Katas, FRS.
Since Sasuke always starts his fights

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[Kooljay]

And I'm telling you Sasuke firing off Amaterasu at a PJ like Bee does nothing when he can easily throw up a V1 cloak like Base Naruto to shit on Amaterasu

Again this ignores that Bee cannot react to Amaterasu. He isnt Ay. If he tries to put up a cloak, it will happen after he is hit. He will die all the

So Cee, Ay, & Darui were put in a genjutsu the moment Sasuke started using his MS? Refer back to my scan, his eye started to bleed before amaterasu was fired. And Cee & Darui had a conversation all the while. Next point like I already said above SM Naruto already has an expendable robe he can throw off it's hit with Ama, giving him intel for the rest of the fight to be counter by Smoke bombs (blocking LOS) or spawning clones (to block LOS)

SO now you're ignoring the times Amaterasu was shot out nigh-instantly by both

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. The Mangekyo Sharingan and Amaterasu can be activated and used all in one panel if needed. If you arent a speed, you simply cannot react you Amaterasu. Your sensing argument goes out the window as well since Nagato was hit.

Taka MS Sasuke hasn't shown precision of that level.
He's only shown 1 Amaterasu. But using such a taxing jutsu like Amaterasu, on SM Naruto is his own downfall.
because he'll be able to sense it

True, but judging by the speed in which Amaterasu spread. Naruto would be screwed either way. Amaterasu would consume his body. Naruto sensing wouldnt help as he wouldnt be able to do anything about it.

may waste Ama on Pain Arc SM Naruto's 2-3 clones. & He'll still have near 0 defense from senpo cho odama rasengans, Frog Katas, FRS.
Since Sasuke always starts his fights Close range.

Naruto snaps his puny sword & kicks him 20 meters away

Nagashi would stop Naruto in close range... Naruto going into cqc the make it easier for Sasuke to win.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Again this ignores that Bee cannot react to Amaterasu. He isnt Ay. If he tries to put up a cloak, it will happen after he is hit. He will die all the same.

bijuu chakra expels from within the user

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thus pushing off the flames.

SO now you're ignoring the times Amaterasu was shot out nigh-instantly by both

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. The Mangekyo Sharingan and Amaterasu can be activated and used all in one panel if needed. If you arent a speedster, you simply cannot react you Amaterasu. Your sensing argument goes out the window as well since Nagato was hit.

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he couldn't stop it later because

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Also the Bold above are feats MS Sasuke simply doesn't have so they're irrelevant.

True, but judging by the speed in which Amaterasu spread. Naruto would be screwed either way. Amaterasu would consume his body. Naruto sensing wouldn't help as he wouldn't be able to do anything about it.

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, It helped him dodge the edo Raikage at exactly the right time, and as stated above Naruto who will sense it can either

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So If Naruto has to lose clones gathering NE than so be it. He'll still be protected.

Nagashi would stop Naruto in close range... Naruto going into cqc the make it easier for Sasuke to win.

IC Sasuke hasn't used Nagashi since it's unveiling, & Naruto has intel on it, his SM clones can use frog Kata & we know Naruto sends clones to gauge his enemy before fighting them himself first.

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So for those reasons along with this Sasuke having to deal with multiple boss summons 1 panel to form

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and against a Senjutsu user, he's outclassed here.

Genjutsu is a non-factor as well since Naruto

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, or just fight with his eyes closed as Sage mode

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thus letting him sense Sasuke's at any point in him during the battle so he won't fall prey to genjutsu.