[Discussion] Strongest person these people can defeat

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Then who is it? You never said who Croc can beat and all of your reasons made no sense. Your first said that I was stupid because Doffy implied Croc was stronger Smoker....when I said Croc beats Smoker.....on top of your blatant assumptions that aren't backed up, again, you didn't even say who Croc can defeat. Learn to the basics of debating.
First off everything you posted is an assumption, so can shut the hell up on that one.
Second, to answer my question, you go read the post again. I'm not gonna repeat myself.
You said you thrashed my arguments. You directly implied that you won those portions of the debate. Also, where did you even get the thought of me being on your side? Making up stuff now? I said no one agree with you while they are in mutual agreement with each other. You're the only oddball here with your blatantly false opinions.
>You're assuming that I implied that I won when I specifically said that an opinionated thread means no one is wrong. Dumbass
>Second time I'm telling you this, I do not agree with you. Smoker isn't the strongest person Crocodile can beat and Kuma's strongest is certainly not Killer. You have to be a series idiot to think so.
>"False opinions" It really doesn't get any stupid than that. I can tell English and intellect is not your thing.
There is no right or wrong opinions you moron.

The strength of the VAs differentiates greatly like the shichibukais. It says nothing.
Not even relevant to what I'm talking about. Clearly you can't read simple english.
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This is getting too easy. Do I need to post the scan where Sabo is resting?
Easy? I'm making you look like an idiot out here. Even Macho over there puts up a better argument than you, and he's simple. You just take it to a whole new level. You're saying dust marks are scratches and bruises now? I'm guessing Zoro has bruises from Pica after he fought him despite not touching him huh?
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You just keep making it easy because here is Sabo after the fujitori fight.
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And oh let me guess, you're gonna post a picture of Sabo being lectured by Koala as him resting right? :lmao:
Because he was so beat up and tired then that he spent the whle night talking to zoro and the other crew members of how he came back to find luffy. That's how beaten up he was, he wasn't touched once like Zoro and he was so beaten up and tired that he kicked burguess ass and stayed up all night stoy telling and leaving back home? :lmao:
Clean no marks
 
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Law isn't beating him unless he has someone to shamble surprise DD and even then DD survived it.
There's always a chance, what if he shamble suprise and cut his neck instead? These are just chances and scenarios that Law can come out victories. But like I said before, I know that Doffy is stronger than Law.
 

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There's always a chance, what if he shamble suprise and cut his neck instead? These are just chances and scenarios that Law can come out victories. But like I said before, I know that Doffy is stronger than Law.

Not really, Law is not catching DD by surprise unless there's a outside interference. This logic pretty much has most people in OP beating each other.
 

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First off everything you posted is an assumption, so can shut the hell up on that one.
Second, to answer my question, you go read the post again. I'm not gonna repeat myself.

>You're assuming that I implied that I won when I specifically said that an opinionated thread means no one is wrong. Dumbass
>Second time I'm telling you this, I do not agree with you. Smoker isn't the strongest person Crocodile can beat and Kuma's strongest is certainly not Killer. You have to be a series idiot to think so.
>"False opinions" It really doesn't get any stupid than that. I can tell English and intellect is not your thing.
There is no right or wrong opinions you moron.
If English isn't my thing, how can you understand me so clearly? Are you implying that you can only comprehend dumb/low intellect posts cause it matches your intellect? Make up your mind bro.

You said you thrashed my arguments aka beat them. Its not hard to understand dude.

"It is my opinion that no human in the history of the world could type on a computer, phone or laptop. Its all made up propaganda". Is this opinion true or false?

You think Sabo is stronger than admirals, that Law can beat Doffy and that Kuma, someone who got hurt and attacks dodged by a half dead Pre-TS Zoro, can beat a top tier guy like Mihawk......

Not even relevant to what I'm talking about. Clearly you can't read simple english.
Says Croc is above VAs and I say the strength of the VA differentiates.....you tossed that aside claiming its not relevant to what you said?

You say I can't read simple English but I'm typing in simple english and you are responding to it. Something is inconsistent here.....your insults maybe?

Easy? I'm making you look like an idiot out here. Even Macho over there puts up a better argument than you, and he's simple. You just take it to a whole new level. You're saying dust marks are scratches and bruises now? I'm guessing Zoro has bruises from Pica after he fought him despite not touching him huh?
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You just keep making it easy because here is Sabo after the fujitori fight.
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And oh let me guess, you're gonna post a picture of Sabo being lectured by Koala as him resting right? :lmao:
Because he was so beat up and tired then that he spent the whle night talking to zoro and the other crew members of how he came back to find luffy. That's how beaten up he was, he wasn't touched once like Zoro and he was so beaten up and tired that he kicked burguess ass and stayed up all night stoy telling and leaving back home? :lmao:
Clean no marks
So now the manga trope that has been around for decades to display battle fatigue(scratches & bruises) is now nothing more than dirt. Can't even comprehend off-panel fights & the art of recuperating after a certain period of time.
 
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If English isn't my thing, how can you understand me so clearly? Are you implying that you can only comprehend dumb/low intellect posts cause it matches your intellect? Make up your mind bro.

You said you thrashed my arguments aka beat them. Its not hard to understand dude.

"It is my opinion that no human in the history of the world could type on a computer, phone or laptop. Its all made up propaganda". Is this opinion is true or false?

You think Sabo is stronger than admirals, that Law can beat Doffy and that Kuma, someone who got hurt and attacks dodged by a half dead Pre-TS Zoro, can beat a top tier guy like Mihawk......
Don't worry, I had some one else decipher your primitive encryption to basic English for me. It was a struggle but I still shut you down like the little dullard you are. That's my nickname for you and I hope your translator will be useful to you to understand this basic english I'm posting to you.
>Never said Sabo was stronger
>An opinion is an opinion, you don't argue right and wrong from anything that is subjective until it becomes objective. So your example is stupid when they're is an already confirm conclusion that humans can type on a computer.
>Read the op again my little dullard.
Says Croc is above VAs and I say the strength of the VA differentiates.....you tossed that aside claiming its not relevant to what you said?

You say I can't read simple English but I'm typing in simple english and you are responding to it. Something is inconsistent here.....your insults maybe?
No, your incapability to processes not only simple english but logic. You're giving off the different strengths in VA's when clearly my attention is towards Crocs position and not the VA. "What does that mean?" It means that I'm not dignifying a level different from his own. It means that shichibakui and vice-admirals are in two different leagues despite the levels each group have within themselves.
So now the manga trope that has been around for decades to display battle fatigue(scratches & bruises) is now nothing more than dirt. Can't even comprehend off-panel fights & the art of recuperating after a certain period of time.
Considering that the rubble and remnants where being tossed around during the clash, you're expecting there to be no dirt? You clearly see throughout the rest of the arc that Sabo is not covered in dark shadings and that there was no scratches before and after the fight.
And now you're arguing recuperating? After he ran off to find Burguess? He had time to spar in a birdcage closing in?
Oh god shut the hell up. This is just desperate stupid now.

I see you have Riker's relentlessness and Uzamaki macho's stupidity if not worse. These are two deadly combinations when dealing with someone like you in a thread. I'm done here. I already debunked and whipped my ass with you posts. I'm going to do you the favor let you ramble on and I know you'll try to reply back after this announcement because you're as dumb as a post. If you reply back you'll just further prove my point.
 

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Riker & Uzumaki Macho. I hope you two were entertained cause this was by far the most fun debate I've ever had. I forgot the joy of messing with the stupidity of other people. Remember, you two, me and everyone else are stupid for not believing Kuma>Mihawk, Sabo>Admirals and Law>Doffy at this point in time.

Don't worry, I had some one else decipher your primitive encryption to basic English for me. It was a struggle but I still shut you down like the little dullard you are. That's my nickname for you and I hope your translator will be useful to you to understand this basic english I'm posting to you.
>Never said Sabo was stronger
>An opinion is an opinion, you don't argue right and wrong from anything that is subjective until it becomes objective. So your example is stupid when they're is an already confirm conclusion that humans can type on a computer.
>Read the op again my little dullard.
When you dont have a counter argument, just throw insults. Got it.

You said Sabo can beat admirals when it has been confirmed that he is currently no match/can't beat one. You are going against something called confirmation and its not subjective.

You said Law can beat Doffy when all of Law's attempts ending with him being crushed. Its a fact that Law can't beat Doflamingo in a 1v1. You are not stating your opinion. You are tossing your thoughts around as facts.

No, your incapability to processes not only simple english but logic. You're giving off the different strengths in VA's when clearly my attention is towards Crocs position and not the VA. "What does that mean?" It means that I'm not dignifying a level different from his own. It means that shichibakui and vice-admirals are in two different leagues despite the levels each group have within themselves.
So the shichibukai Buggy is stronger than all VAs? Crocodile is in a league above Vergo when Croc lost to Base Luffy early in the series and has no Post-TS feats?

Considering that the rubble and remnants where being tossed around during the clash, you're expecting there to be no dirt? You clearly see throughout the rest of the arc that Sabo is not covered in dark shadings and that there was no scratches before and after the fight.
And now you're arguing recuperating? After he ran off to find Burguess? He had time to spar in a birdcage closing in?
Oh god shut the hell up. This is just desperate stupid now.
Woah there, temper. Remember to breathe. Fujitora had the same markings on his face after Luffy punched him. I guess Luffy has really dirty fists.

I see you have Riker's relentlessness and Uzamaki macho's stupidity if not worse. These are two deadly combinations when dealing with someone like you in a thread. I'm done here. I already debunked and whipped my ass with you posts. I'm going to do you the favor let you ramble on and I know you'll try to reply back after this announcement because you're as dumb as a post. If you reply back you'll just further prove my point.
Relaying on insults is a sign of lacking debating skills. You also replied earlier with laughing emojis.

There is quite a bit of grammar mistakes in that last part. Ironic if you ask me. Go ahead and edit them but you cant edit the original one in my post.

"I already whopped my ass with you post". Two things:

1-If you mean that you whopped my ass, you are proving my earlier point of you claiming that you won certain debates against me. You are contradicting yourself. You also proved yourself to be a hypocrite. Very deadly for a debate.
2- If not, then let the irony flow through you.

I just replied back. If you don't reply, then you prove that you lack debating skills and proper counter arguments and therefore can only rely on insults and contradictions. See? I can do it too. Lastly, just by saying that if I reply back proves that I'm dumb is a very old and childish tactic of someone who is ignorant. Its only the basics.
 
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OP said can. I know Doffy is stronger than Law, that part is obvous. But Law can beat him because they're still a chance even though it's very slim.
I kinda get what you are trying to say.

Kuma CAN "beat" other characters stronger than him by battle field removal. Dunno if Mihawk is possible though, but if caught offguard somehow maybe.


These lists are supposed to indicate strongest person these characters CAN beat not WILL beat, there is a difference. Law is not beating Doflamingo, but he has the ability to, the chances are incredibly slim hence, he won't be able to beat him.
Hax characters will benefit from this kind of thread more.

Sabo beating an Admiral aint happening though. He doesn't have a one hit hax option to overcome the difference between him and an Admiral.
 
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Even disregarding the difference in battle skills and considering only the battle removal hax Kuma possess, we know it takes 2 days or so to travel from places to places. I'm pretty certain there are some ways to break out of the bubble if you're strong enough
 

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Even disregarding the difference in battle skills and considering only the battle removal hax Kuma possess, we know it takes 2 days or so to travel from places to places. I'm pretty certain there are some ways to break out of the bubble if you're strong enough
Doesn't he just push you? Like the same way he moves himself around. He applies air pressure or something like that.

I think if you're strong enough you withstand that force to an extent, doubt Kuma can have his way. It would still work but not how he would have wanted to. For example, if he tries to send Mihawk 1000 meters away, he ends up only sending him 50 meters back. Something like that.
 

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Yes he can.

Fallacy, Doflamingo shouldn't be able to tank Law's high end moves, when just tightening his grip upon grabbing Law's blade was enough to bypass his hardening. It wasn't even a slashing attack nor was it as strong as Law's average attacks. He will end up in two pieces, if he carelessly charges at Law believing he could just block his slash akin to Vergo.

Even if he could indeed block him via awakening or some other defense of his arsenal. It's kind of irrelevant, the point I was trying to make isn't about whether or not Doflamingo could block Law. It was about how a movement of carelessness may result in defeat regardless of how big the difference in their strength is, more so for people with Law as their opponent. However, this doesn't necessarily put Law on his opponents league as there is no guarantee he'd win the fight for a second time.


It's actually both complimenting each other. Hax+stupid=pretty good chance of dying. And it doesn't diminish the quality of a victory from Law either. Being too stupid to properly handle hax would just be a weakness in combat. The way you're talking about it implies it'd be less legitimate than beating Luffy by outmatching him in sheer power, which isn't true by any measure.

Wrong, law certainly doesn't take as much credit as someone who genuinely outmatches Luffy for earning victory over him. It's not about Law hax but Luffy inability to battle tricky people. If Luffy were to be as smart as your average human. I'd certainly give him 100% credit to Law for defeating Luffy regardless of how great his hax is and how he won the fight. It's an unfair match up where one of the contenders is at auto advantage or disadvantage. It's like saying Luffy winning against Enel is same as Zoro doing the same, which is totally illogical and untrue. I know, Law won't be at as much of an advantage as Luffy against Enel but it's irrefutable that he'd be at advantage. Bear in mind Luffy once lost to Caesar. And I really hope you won't put him on Luffy's level juts because he won despite the astronomical difference their actual strength. It's undeniable Luffy lost to Caesar,But it's also a fact that Luffy as a fighter is leagues above Caesar. This is what I was trying to say in my first paragraph.

It's certainly Luffy's fault for being too stupid to battle Law, But the reason why I say Law can't genuinely be stronger than Luffy for earning victory is because Luffy has Law beneath him in all other aspects as a fighter. He may fodderize someone that can fodderize Law but he'd still lose to Law, which is why you can't really say they belong to same level or equal just because Law can win against him. If Law could definitely earn victory against any given individual of Luffy's caliber. Then you can say he's genuinely superior or on par with Luffy. But I certainly don't see him winning against a more intelligent Luffy. Hence, not as strong as Luffy. Hell, I in all honesty can't even tell if his victory is certain against pre G4 Luffy, if we feed Luffy with knowledge on Law's abilities. That's why it's illogical to be putting Law along side whoever he defeats without thinking about circumstances.



Doflamingo beat Law because he's in a completely different league than him. The same applies for Luffy and Doflamingo as well. When you have Doflamingo severely weakened in both capabilities and health, and he still comes out on top against Luffy, then it shows that Luffy isn't on Doflamingo's level when he's 100%. And yes, Doflamingo did come out on top. You can argue that Luffy has more raw power than Doflamingo, and you'd more than likely be right, but Doflamingo's amazing endurance is what places him in a league above Luffy as he can just outlast Luffy's strongest ability seen so far through enduring some attacks and deflecting others, and then, without dozens of other fighters protecting Luffy, slaughter the young pirate when he's passed out and unable to move as his Haki recharges.


This reason isn't just weak, it's invalid. You're saying that Luffy put up a better fight against Doflamingo than the fight Law put up against Doffy on his own. Except...Luffy's fight wasn't even on his own. Idk if you conveniently forgot or chose to ignore, but Luffy only did that well because of Law's Gamma Knife. We have absolutely no idea how well Luffy would fair against 100% Doflamingo. He might do just as good, or he might get curbstomped just as badly as Law did. Considering that while severely weakened, Doflamingo still came out on top and in far better position, its probably the latter.

A more direct comparison is comparing Luffy's and Law's capabilities. What Luffy can achieve with raw power over an extended period of time, Law can achieve with hax in a much shorter period of time. Luffy's powerful King Kong Gun leveling a part of Dressrosa, his ability to move at insane speeds, Law can achieve the same results through things like large scale cuts and teleporting. Hell, by comparison, Luffy's entire Gear 4 assault didn't even do that much more damage than Gamma Knife.

Just because Law doesn't fight as long as Luffy does doesn't mean he doesn't fight as well.

I perfectly understand everything you've said, I know how and why Luffy won the fight. But it's completely irrelevant to what I was trying to say. What I said is that Luffy stood a far better chance against Doflamingo than Law even though he in all likely hood loses to Law in a fight. Law was too weak for Doflamingo that even a clone of his was enough to make Law struggle, when Luffy fodderzied one while getting beaten by a friend of his. It makes the difference in their skill crystal clear.

That's a totally unintelligent way of analyzing things. Law's efforts did contribute in Doflamingo's downfall. But to say Luffy accomplished everything only because of what Law had done is just ridiculous. He had done way more than just riding on the damage law inflected. He may not win on his won but Luffy can do nearly as much against Doflamingo as what he did in canon at any given time of a year. He may do even better considering he was weakened to a level where Doflamingo could tell he was weakened just by looking at his condition.

Bear in mind the above paragraph doesn't say anything about Luffy standing as much of a chance against a fresh Doflamingo but he'd do just as good because his skill doesn't change. Doflamingo took one hell of an attack and it must have a toll on his body, But it didn't seem like it slowed him down that much considering he performed just as good against Luffy. It's undeniable he received serious damage even more so than Luffy who was beaten to pulp by Bellamy. However, it's also quite evident that there were no visible signs of him slowing down solely because of the damage he took from Law. Except for one instance where he was shown to be adjusting his stitches after taking leo bazooka, I don't see Oda visually emphasizing the damage he took from Law. At least, there was no implication of him particularly being effected by Law's attack in the middle of the fight. I won't say he wasn't weakened but he wasn't far from how he'd be in general for sure.

Irrespective of how much Law's attack effected Joker. Luffy definitely had done way more than law as he is now can ever hope against him. Doflamingo seemingly didn't even try VS Law and was just toying with him with very basic attacks of his, When Luffy forced him to use the best of his moves. It was quite evident Doflamingo tried way more against Luffy from the very beginning of their fight. They exchanged blows left and right, Then Doflamingo pulled his awakening which seemingly doesn't get affected by his physical condition. Although he ultimately failed take down Doflamingo, Luffy did fight on equal terms with the most powerful of his moves and even overpowered them with his own when Law utterly failed against most basic attacks in his arsenal. Luffy also withstood the best of his attacks totally unlike Law and kept on fighting. It clearly shows there is an astronomical difference in their overall fighting capacity.


Sanji did not fodder-stomp Absalom though. He pretty much had a slighter harder time than Zoro only because he was also protecting Nami. Meanwhile, Zoro handled Ryuma in a battle that lasted like 2 minutes. The reason Absalom and Ryuma are inconclusive is because both were just side fights, and not main events. Thriller Bark saw the deviation from the previous M3 pattern because the main events revolved around Moriah, Oars, and Kuma, while Oda sidelined Moriah's main subordinates(one of whom went to Usopp) rather than make them main events as he usually does.

Take out Nami from the scenario and see how much of a chance he'd stand against Sanji. They weren't side kick fights. The fight with Ryuma was significant enough to earn a power up for Zoro. It doesn't matter even if they're side fights as the fact that Absalom doesn't even belong to Ryuma's league remains intact. It was also a fact that Ryuma was the second strongest one on one opponent from Moriah's side at TB.
 
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Sabo: Jozu
Luffy: Doflamingo+
Doflamingo: Law
Law: Doflamingo
Zoro: Drake/Hawkins (2/3 of these guys are making Supernova Top 5) OR Wanokuni Shogun (You know its happening)
Ivankov: Zoro
Kuma: ?????
Ace: Jinbe
Crocodile: ??????


EDIT: Just to clarify

Luffy > Zoro > Ace = Jinbei >= Sanji
Sabo > Luffy > Doflamingo >= Law > Zoro

 
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Sabo: Jozu
Luffy: Doflamingo+
Doflamingo: Law
Law: Doflamingo
Zoro: Drake/Hawkins (2/3 of these guys are making Supernova Top 5) OR Wanokuni Shogun (You know its happening)
Ivankov: Zoro
Kuma: ?????
Ace: Jinbe
Crocodile: ??????


EDIT: Just to clarify

Luffy > Zoro > Ace = Jinbei >= Sanji
Sabo > Luffy > Doflamingo >= Law > Zoro

Doffy stomped Law.
 

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Sabo: Jozu
Luffy: Doflamingo+
Doflamingo: Law
Law: Doflamingo
Zoro: Drake/Hawkins (2/3 of these guys are making Supernova Top 5) OR Wanokuni Shogun (You know its happening)
Ivankov: Zoro
Kuma: ?????
Ace: Jinbe
Crocodile: ??????


EDIT: Just to clarify

Luffy > Zoro > Ace = Jinbei >= Sanji
Sabo > Luffy > Doflamingo >= Law > Zoro

How is Luffy>Doflamingo when Luffy only survived the fight because he had Law and the Corrida fighters to help him?
 

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Sanji has lost multiple times since the timeskip and Zoro hasn't even been pushed to a serious difficulty. Not to mention Sanji was no diffed by DD while Zoro took out the 2nd strongest executive in DD crew.
Zoro has also fought people significantly weaker than the Monster Trio for the entirety of the timeskip. Swap the people they fought, and the exact same things would have happened.
 

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Zoro has also fought people significantly weaker than the Monster Trio for the entirety of the timeskip. Swap the people they fought, and the exact same things would have happened.
I used to use the same excuse, until Zoro had a scuffle with a Marine Admiral and performed better than Sanji did against weaker opponents.
 
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