[Discussion] Strongest person these people can defeat
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Dęvîa Puęrî
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If u think only physical strength is the only thing that matters in a fight then we have nothing else to discuss
As for zoro and Sanji that's your opinion I respect that but at the same time Zoro has not done anything significant or fought anyone significant to place him to quote your words astronomically above Sanji
As for me knowing U better then yourself lol your statement about zoro and Sanji proves my point u literally said u don't know how strong he is but att same time u put him astronomically above Sanji .... Even tho neither have gone all out or fought someone on thier level... As for the statement about how u feel about zoro
U as well as bogard (no shade lol) I have argued about zoro strength a lot lol
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Dęvîa Puęrî
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Not even ... In the manga and just recently watch the anime he literally blows in his arms to create it etc ... Someone can easily attack him right then and there honestly a lot of animes do that where they have the bad guy literally in front of them just watching them power up like Tf
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I also say this because of ace destructive feats .... And the fact that ace def has more stamina then zoro and that's something zoro is very good at ace's feat of fighting jinbe for 5 days straight proves this ... That sun literally zoro has nothing to stop it
A battle can be win or lost due to multitude of reasons. Doflamingo can't possibly block the same attack that took out Vergo but he did fodderize law because he played his cards well. Law doesn't win because of his hax but Luffy's stupidity. That too because of the fact that Luffy doesn't start a battle with G4. Law's only chance of winning is to finish his business before Luffy could go all out. We already saw how far Law's hax can go against a real skilled fighter. Luffy clearly did far better than anything Law accomplished on his own. It's because of that reason that I put Luffy far above Law not because I don't understand how Law's hax would work.
Esplained above.
It's not a matter of opinion. You're trying to put someone who hadn't even shown armament together with someone that proved himself to be capable of leveling up mountains. That's simply abrupt. I clearly did say from what was shown of them so far. So, it's not my fault if you fail to read it. Feel free to go ahead and show me the quotes of me making Zoro look stronger than he actually is. It's not me overhyping Zoro, it's you guys who're over wanking Sanji with no evidence to back it up. I actually have feats and manga evidence to back up whatever the hell I say, What do you have in Sanji's favor? Nothing but excuses and it's me who's being treated like a wanker.
Lmao, certain someone in this thread actually said the gap b/w Ryuma "someone who fought on equal terms with Zoro" and Absalom "someone who Sanji fodder stompped" is inconclusive. That just shows how far you guys have fallen to make Sanji look stronger than he actually is.
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Dęvîa Puęrî
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First of stop huffing and puffing -.-
Also as for adarment he clearly hit the slime logia so obviously he has adarment ... Luffy also said Sanji can fight Caesar so how would he hit him if he doesn't ...
As for his feats they r not that impressive he fought two people severely under him ... The mountain slash yes was impressive but for the whole fight to be dragged out like it did due to him being to slow that makes it not that impressive this is further backed up with the fact of how easily he defeated pica...
Listen I am not trying to argue just discuss
Oda has portrayed zoro and Sanji to be basically rivals and almost equals with zoro having slight edge if you don't want to accept that fact then fine but it's been portrayed for close to 10 years that way since one piece came out and they met..
Zoro and Sanji are luffys Aces he knows with those 2 he can protect his friend I don't understand why you hate Sanji so Jesus it's not that serious they are . Fictional chars calm down as for u having feats to "back up what ever the hell I say" it's been almost 10 years and almost damn near every scene with zoro and Sanji before timeskip they have portrayed as so... The timeskip just started neither has gone all out all of Sanji fights have been circumstancial whereas zoro fights have all been great looking because they all were severely weaker then him
That's like praising luffy for beating up ussop lol
Also pleas refrain from turning my thread into a zoro vs Sanji thread because that's not what it's about its about talking about what is the strongest char they can beat if u feel like Sanji is not a challenge for zoro fine then talk about someone who is if not then drop it and leave thread
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Simpleatitsbest
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I wish I could up rep you more A V I!
You're saying it's been portrayed for 10 years pre time skip that they are rivals and are on par with each other, yet Zoro always fought the second strongest?
As for FI,
Vergo was stronger than Monet, but don't forget, she very nearly took out Luffy, she was far from fodder, but still isn't a representation of strength between the two.
And Dressrosa, Pica was described at the top/strongest executive, once again being the second strongest... Sanji did have bad match ups after FI but if anything it does show that he's leagues below Vergo and Doffy even if they were just skirmishes, but that's exactly what Zoro had with Fuji and contended with him well.
Zoro is stronger than Sanji, this has been shown throughout One Piece.
I was going to comment with my own opinions, but I got half way through your list and thought how ridiculous the ranking was, followed by ridiculous rankings in further comments so I won't bother.
EDIT: The title of the chapter is actually "Highest Executive Pica"... fodder though right?
You're saying it's been portrayed for 10 years pre time skip that they are rivals and are on par with each other, yet Zoro always fought the second strongest?
As for FI,
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, I guess an enemy who Luffy considers strong and looks like he's excited to see has strength is just fodder... He was fodder for Zoro I guess, but he was fare greater than any opponent in FI bar Hordy, so once again second strongest.Vergo was stronger than Monet, but don't forget, she very nearly took out Luffy, she was far from fodder, but still isn't a representation of strength between the two.
And Dressrosa, Pica was described at the top/strongest executive, once again being the second strongest... Sanji did have bad match ups after FI but if anything it does show that he's leagues below Vergo and Doffy even if they were just skirmishes, but that's exactly what Zoro had with Fuji and contended with him well.
Zoro is stronger than Sanji, this has been shown throughout One Piece.
I was going to comment with my own opinions, but I got half way through your list and thought how ridiculous the ranking was, followed by ridiculous rankings in further comments so I won't bother.
EDIT: The title of the chapter is actually "Highest Executive Pica"... fodder though right?
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About the fighting pattern; Oda never missed it. As far as it concerns one on one match ups, "Zoro has always been the one to defeat the second strongest opponent of the crew" in all major battles. I'll say it again just in case, " Second strongest opponent of the crew" OR You could say the opponents right next to Luffy's in strength.
At TB it was Ryuma who was next to Moriah.
At FMI it was Hyouzou who went through the same monster transformation as Hody.
At PH it's Mone who was right next to Caesar.
At Dressrosa it's Pica who's the strongest among the crews enemies after Doflamingo.
I know Sanji can use armament. Lmao, What I said is that he didn't display it. Not that he doesn't posses it. It means that you can't compare him with Zoro in any sense. Only logia that Sanji hit as far as I know would be Caesar, which is more of a gag than real deal considering even Chopper is able to do it. Regardless of whether or not Sanji hit a logia, What I meant to say when I said he didn't display armament is that he hadn't demonstrated "black" hardening.
It's not about whether or not Zoro's feats are impressive. It's if the said feats are better than Sanji's or not, For which the answer is a big YES. Oda clearly did emphasize it on more than one occasion that the reason why the battle lasted as long as it had was because Zoro played around with Pica for a while and Pica kept on running away from Zoro when Zoro seemingly never tried to make any visible effort to track down Pica. Zoro ended everything in less than a few seconds when he finally got serious. Even Doflamingo hadn't done much when law was running away from him. So, it's no big deal and doesn't take away any credit from Zoro.
It's a fact that Zoro and Sanji have rivalry b/w them. But it's a fallacy if you think they're close in strength because of that. It's clearly not the kind of rivalry that you can use to warrant closeness in strength. They simply share brother like relation with each other and fight with each other just like how two brothers'd fight over trivial things even though one of them is clearly superior to the other in most cases.They simply compete over things that matters very little. Have you ever seen Zoro trying to prove himself to be superior to Sanji in a serious scenario or vice versa? Never happened in manga. Battles such as Oars VS SH's and Pacifista VS SH's are the prime examples of Zoro and Sanji working well together in serious situations rather trying to prove superiority over each other.
It's quite evident that Oda hypes Zoro and things concerning him way more than any other crew member bar Luffy. Therefore it's a bad idea to overlook other things which make Zoro look special and only focus on their rivalry. Sanji isn't as endurable as Zoro. He doesn't posses as much fire power as Zoro. His attacks aren't as lethal as Zoro's. His raw strength isn't as great as Zoro's neither are his raw fighting skills except for speed. Yet for some reason people seem to think Sanji is as good as Zoro's equal when the only thing Sanji has over Zoro is his maneuverability due to speed. The truth is, Zoro has always been one step ahead of Sanji in strength. Hating on Sanji? I always think so highly of Sanji and even admire him for his talents. Thinking Sanji isn't as strong as Zoro isn't same as hating on him. Lmao, I must be a hater of Zoro because I think Luffy can less than mid dif him by feats. :yeah:
Concerning Zoro looking stronger by beating fodders;
Now, you talk as though you hold a Ph.D. at reading manga or something. We aren't reading manga so blindly that we'd think defeating Mone is a grater feat than fighting on equal terms with Vergo. I take all things into consideration while scaling a characters strength. Even if were to ignore all of Zoro's fights except for his feats against Pica and compare it with that of Sanji. Zoro'd still look better than Sanji, Why because he simply has better feats.
Even at PH, Tashigi was shocked to see Zoro fight when the same person didn't even acknowledge Sanji's efforts against Vergo. It's not about Zoro fighting fodders, it's about how easily he overwhelmed the said characters.
At TB it was Ryuma who was next to Moriah.
At FMI it was Hyouzou who went through the same monster transformation as Hody.
At PH it's Mone who was right next to Caesar.
At Dressrosa it's Pica who's the strongest among the crews enemies after Doflamingo.
I know Sanji can use armament. Lmao, What I said is that he didn't display it. Not that he doesn't posses it. It means that you can't compare him with Zoro in any sense. Only logia that Sanji hit as far as I know would be Caesar, which is more of a gag than real deal considering even Chopper is able to do it. Regardless of whether or not Sanji hit a logia, What I meant to say when I said he didn't display armament is that he hadn't demonstrated "black" hardening.
It's not about whether or not Zoro's feats are impressive. It's if the said feats are better than Sanji's or not, For which the answer is a big YES. Oda clearly did emphasize it on more than one occasion that the reason why the battle lasted as long as it had was because Zoro played around with Pica for a while and Pica kept on running away from Zoro when Zoro seemingly never tried to make any visible effort to track down Pica. Zoro ended everything in less than a few seconds when he finally got serious. Even Doflamingo hadn't done much when law was running away from him. So, it's no big deal and doesn't take away any credit from Zoro.
It's a fact that Zoro and Sanji have rivalry b/w them. But it's a fallacy if you think they're close in strength because of that. It's clearly not the kind of rivalry that you can use to warrant closeness in strength. They simply share brother like relation with each other and fight with each other just like how two brothers'd fight over trivial things even though one of them is clearly superior to the other in most cases.They simply compete over things that matters very little. Have you ever seen Zoro trying to prove himself to be superior to Sanji in a serious scenario or vice versa? Never happened in manga. Battles such as Oars VS SH's and Pacifista VS SH's are the prime examples of Zoro and Sanji working well together in serious situations rather trying to prove superiority over each other.
It's quite evident that Oda hypes Zoro and things concerning him way more than any other crew member bar Luffy. Therefore it's a bad idea to overlook other things which make Zoro look special and only focus on their rivalry. Sanji isn't as endurable as Zoro. He doesn't posses as much fire power as Zoro. His attacks aren't as lethal as Zoro's. His raw strength isn't as great as Zoro's neither are his raw fighting skills except for speed. Yet for some reason people seem to think Sanji is as good as Zoro's equal when the only thing Sanji has over Zoro is his maneuverability due to speed. The truth is, Zoro has always been one step ahead of Sanji in strength. Hating on Sanji? I always think so highly of Sanji and even admire him for his talents. Thinking Sanji isn't as strong as Zoro isn't same as hating on him. Lmao, I must be a hater of Zoro because I think Luffy can less than mid dif him by feats. :yeah:
Concerning Zoro looking stronger by beating fodders;
Now, you talk as though you hold a Ph.D. at reading manga or something. We aren't reading manga so blindly that we'd think defeating Mone is a grater feat than fighting on equal terms with Vergo. I take all things into consideration while scaling a characters strength. Even if were to ignore all of Zoro's fights except for his feats against Pica and compare it with that of Sanji. Zoro'd still look better than Sanji, Why because he simply has better feats.
Even at PH, Tashigi was shocked to see Zoro fight when the same person didn't even acknowledge Sanji's efforts against Vergo. It's not about Zoro fighting fodders, it's about how easily he overwhelmed the said characters.
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Uzumaki Macho
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Zoro has equally impressive destructive feats. Ace almost had his neck broken by an ordinary punch from BB, so Zoro's stamina is much more impressive.
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Getting your neck snapped and being able to endure fishman karate for 5 days are 2 widely different things... I do however favour Zoro in this match up, I don't believe Ace had COA and being sliced up is harder to endure than physical attacks.
Dęvîa Puęrî
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Which feat can zoro replicate to put him above fighting a warlord for 5 days straight
Ace neck being chopped has nothing to do with stamina if anything that's durability
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Omg dude ....
As for portrayal I feel and along with a lot of one piece fandom that they r rivals even when asked who would win he negates question entirely if don't believe me read article he doesn't say anything about the question at all
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If zoro was so stronger then Sanji he would've just said so ...
What ever ok can u please talk about the thread at hand if u feel Sanji is not a match for Zoro fine not going to argue with u anymore on this subject
Can u talk about the strongest person zoro can defeat
As for how I talk that's how I talk dude deal with it
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Dęvîa Puęrî
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As for his feats of aces sun I don't think that slash equates to the destructive force of the attack ace did to Blackbeard but that's personal opinion ..
So, do tell me if Oda wants to portray Sanji as Zoro's equal. Why didn't he said so in the same SBS question that you've mentioned? He simply dodged it because it'd ruin out excitement and you guys are using it to create someone kind of equality b/w Zoro and Sanji. A mangaka like Oda would never answer such a question. Do you seriously think Oda never came across "Who's stronger b/w Luffy and Zoro? " question? Obviously, there should be a legion of people who tried to know who b/w them is stronger by sending letters to Oda but he never answered it. Why because he shouldn''t, that's all there is to it.
Concerning the topic; The strongest person that Luffy can potentially defeat would be Doflamingo and it's either Law or Burgess for Zoro as of now.
NOTE; I know Doflamingo is stronger than Luffy but he does have what it takes to potentially defeat him.
I don't give a flying rats ass about how you talk. Therefore, there is absolutely no reason for me to deal with it as I simply don't care about it. So, it's cool.
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Uzumaki Macho
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Zoro low diffed the right hand man of DD and he was portrayed as stronger than Jinbe at FI.
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Ignoring first paragraph tired zoro vs Sanji has nothing to do with this thread especially if u feel Sanji is not even a challenge for zoro... But glad u finally answered the question at hand
So, do tell me if Oda wants to portray Sanji as Zoro's equal. Why didn't he said so in the same SBS question that you've mentioned? He simply dodged it because it'd ruin out excitement and you guys are using it to create someone kind of equality b/w Zoro and Sanji. A mangaka like Oda would never answer such a question. Do you seriously think Oda never came across "Who's stronger b/w Luffy and Zoro? " question? Obviously, there should be a legion of people who tried to know who b/w them is stronger by sending letters to Oda but he never answered it. Why because he shouldn''t, that's all there is to it.
Concerning the topic; The strongest person that Luffy can potentially defeat would be Doflamingo and it's either Law or Burgess for Zoro as of now.
NOTE; I know Doflamingo is stronger than Luffy but he does have what it takes to potentially defeat him.
I don't give a flying rats ass about how you talk. Therefore, there is absolutely no reason for me to deal with it as I simply don't care about it. So, it's cool.
For my speech u mentioned it which is why said that -.-
Also curious why burgess I get law a good amount of ppl feel zoro can beat law... But burgess I didn't think he was that strong tbh ...
I honestly ranked him below the main Trio but higher then franky
But what do u think that makes him so strong that he would be zoros strongest opponent to defeat also do u rank burgess near law because to me law is at the very least a league ahead of burgess with showing etc.. So where and how do u rank him ?
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Dęvîa Puęrî
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How was Sanji equal to jinbe ? All jinbe did was collide with luffy and Sanji got in middle right ? How does this mean Sanji is equal to jinbe.? This is first I've ever heard Sanji being equal to jinbe let a lone compared to him
Or r u talking about when they fought wasabi ? Because still don't c how that equates to them being equal
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It's cool mate, I was just joking.
About Burgess, Sabo who I believe is in the same general level as Doflamingo felt like he'd have his hands full with Burgess. Bear in mind that Doflamingo owned Law just as badly as what Sabo did to Burgess. Even though he's obviously superior, Sabo does feel like he's a formidable foe. So, I think should be decently strong.
For the record, even I don't even think he'd be as strong as M3 but Sanji severely lacks in feats and so are almost all other fighters in Zoro's league. So, I choose Burgess for the time being.
Not that I believe it but People mostly believe they're of similar caliber because they were paired against Wadatsumi.