[Discussion] Strongest person these people can defeat

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Sanji
Luffy
Zoro
Law
Doffy
Sabo
Ace
Ivankov
Croc
Kuma

Who r the strongest they can defeat in an individual battle



For me I'd say

Sanji: can defeat ... Would prob be Barto I feel he can defeat no questions and Sai as well... potentially appo tho both Sanji and appo have not displayed battle feats that note worthy since time skip Sanji has how ever showed extreme speed feats and body feats

luffy: due to gear 4th has a chance to defeat sabo potentially. As for clear win it be zoro or Sanji

Zoro: I believe the strongest person he could defeat is Sanji I rank these two like how oda does as rivals basically neck and neck though there is a difference where zoro is stronger but it's not by much (and zoro fanboys idc what u guys say nothing has shown zoro to be leagues above Sanji -/- hell Sanji has had stronger opponents for most part). As for potentially I think he can take on ace however I feel ace is just too strong his destructive feats before timeskip would destory Zoro.. Specifically that sun like move

Law:potentially luffy even with gear 4th laws room is tricky as **** and gamma knife shambles combo could just one shot literally also luffy doesn't start in gear 4th. As for clear win zoro or sanji


Doffy: tbh I rank doffy over jack everything about him seems one dimensional... While he is without a doubt prob physically stronger then doffy and tank.. Doffy most likley outclasses him in speed reflexes devil fruit prowess etc... Not to mention he can fly bird cage and awakening. If not jack the. One of the Dukes I feel like there is drastic difference in power level from doffy pre gamma knife from post gamma knife but that's my own personal opinion

Sabo: to me luffy. Potentially a duke... Tho I rank duke higher due to sheer stamina and battle type prowess for being able to fight how long they were able to and not tire out at all..Once sabo gets destructive feats on ace level and then his already amazing strength and haki he will be force to be wreckon with... I know ppl think sabo is over a lot of ppl but personally I don't c it nothing he has done has been crazy impressive etc... Hell even an injured luffy replicated his feat with Fuji

Ace: I think zoro... Like I said before his destrutive feats r insane I don't think ppl understand how powerful that fruit was and that sun attack.. Tho he has to land it lol. Or megllagalan unless he has poison to negate fire which I don't think he does

Ivankov: imma go with most likely ace... Simply because he can heal from anything ace can throw at him... His portrayal despite viewers not taking him seriously.. Is pretty high. As for feats only thing he needs to worry about is the sun attack ... As for clear win Sanji and zoro simply because he tagged tag Sanji for 2 years I don't think zoro is that much stronger then Sanji... Also it would not make any ****ing sense for zoro to be stronger then someone who mentored Sanji already... That would be just plain bad writing if that was case might as well make him stronger then doffy sabo Jack law luffy etc

Croc: I wanna say potentially (this is big if to me) Vergo... Now hear me out just because Vergo has fbh (Vergo until more feats r shown of Sanji and zoro I rank a little bit above each of them but it's not by much ppl don't understand how dense his haki was... The haki literally morphed his body guys -/-) I say croc can potentially take him out if there is no prior knowledge croc needs just one hit to drain Vergo that is it... Also croc has already tanked hit from Jozu who I put above Vergo haki and all
As for clear win imma say Barto appo ... Ok it's not a>b>c Sanji and zoro have Intel on croc... Zoro has shown to be able to do monster slashes etc he just needs to get croc which will be hard ... As zoro is not fastest...I however think he would slash the **** out of him before he gets drained Sanji is too fast to be caught with croc but he needs to show some haki... The dude has it... But he hasn't shown it plus with his dj and hells memories he should be protected as for Barto he can only barrier in front or back he has not shown to be able to do it over his body or like cube yet etc so croc can easily overwhelm him... Same with appo... Croc I feel is strong he just suffers from first major villian syndrome... Like zabuza I mean the guy lost to pre gears luffy... But then at mainford tanked attack from Jozu which should still be stronger then luffy even in gear 3rd (not 4th but should be on par with it) and tanked gear 2 punch from luffy as well mind u he was in jail so it's not like he was training
Kuma: very hard I don't know where to place him (with brain) it's either between luffy and doffy or above doffy....
Imma say strongest person would be either luffy or sabo... Simply due to the fact that he is so versatile and all he needs is one hit.. Doffy I feel would make fight long distance and use awakening etc so not sure to put him above tho I feel like he is due to portrayal and how he has defeated straw hats twice honestly I think he will get his brain back and fight straw hats or luffy one more time in which luffy will win or maybe he has function where he can go all out I know Kuma is just to important of char to just waste as robot etc... Luffy will save him


So what u guys think and what r your opinions post ur thoughts on who's the strongest chars these chars can defeat


Ps: I posted this because this part of the base has been dead -/- and I usually love this part
 
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Sanji--------Killer/Urouge/Capone(depends on who is stronger)
Luffy--------Law G4 Luffy-----Doflamingo
Zoro--------Sanji
Law--------G2/G3 Luffy
Doffy-------Sabo
Sabo-------Jozu
Ace--------Zoro/Kuma/Iva
Ivankov----Law/Luffy
Croc-------Smoker
Kuma-------Killer
 

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Sanji--------Killer/Urouge/Capone(depends on who is stronger)
Luffy--------Law G4 Luffy-----Doflamingo
Zoro--------Sanji
Law--------G2/G3 Luffy
Doffy-------Sabo
Sabo-------Jozu
Ace--------Zoro/Kuma/Iva
Ivankov----Law/Luffy
Croc-------Smoker
Kuma-------Killer
Wow curious why do u rank Kuma so low ? I mean the guy has been powerhouse so far... Also if it's the haki thing is a ***** like tashigi can get haki I mean come on.. Although as robot I still believe he cannot get haki as its kind of represented or comes from will or something inside like feeling and as robot he doesn't have that (tho this is Kuma with brain)
 

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Wow curious why do u rank Kuma so low ? I mean the guy has been powerhouse so far... Also if it's the haki thing is a ***** like tashigi can get haki I mean come on.. Although as robot I still believe he cannot get haki as its kind of represented or comes from will or something inside like feeling and as robot he doesn't have that (tho this is Kuma with brain)
A half-dead Thriller Bark Zoro was able to dodge Brain Kuma's pad cannons and landed a clean sneak attack. A half dead Zoro & Sanji could still fight aftr an Ursus Shock.

Brainless Kuma got his ass kicked by Ivankov and couldn't even scratch the Okama queenly king.
 

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A half-dead Thriller Bark Zoro was able to dodge Brain Kuma's pad cannons and landed a clean sneak attack. A half dead Zoro & Sanji could still fight aftr an Ursus Shock.

Brainless Kuma got his ass kicked by Ivankov and couldn't even scratch the Okama queenly king.

Well no one bar akainu could damage ivankov ... So that's not far tbh and he had no brain so he couldn't use Intel he had on Ivan.. Megllagalan couldn't damage him either ...


As for zoro and Sanji I mean he wasn't trying to kill them... I don't understand why it's hard to believe that he held back.. As for the mini pad cannons they r not that fast prob used for diversion and Kuma could've easily teleported himself away from zoro or behind him and just smacked him but chose not to do so..

Also the urse shock he used on giant seemed to be much stronger and there's no way in hell Sanji or zoro was stronger then that giant after the whole squad struggled so hard with ors etc... I believe Kuma just held back like he did both times if he wanted to kill the straw hats he could've ... And didn't zoro said he held back when giving the pain or what ever ?

Not arguing just discussing ... But yeah by that logic Kuma if joined straw hats would not really change up power scale and i think that's bull lol I still think if full all out he could still take out the majority of straw hats if they were to fight right now I mean again literally the dude is a one shot char the best to be frank ... Like akainu law whitebeard they r one shot too but they leave the person there so there's potential chance they can attack again.. However Kuma if at full power and wanted to end things as quickly as possible would literally just make someone disappear
 
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Well no one bar akainu could damage ivankov ... So that's not far tbh and he had no brain so he couldn't use Intel he had on Ivan.. Megllagalan couldn't damage him either ...


As for zoro and Sanji I mean he wasn't trying to kill them... I don't understand why it's hard to believe that he held back.. As for the mini pad cannons they r not that fast prob used for diversion and Kuma could've easily teleported himself away from zoro or behind him and just smacked him but chose not to do so..

Also the urse shock he used on giant seemed to be much stronger and there's no way in hell Sanji or zoro was stronger then that giant after the whole squad struggled so hard with ors etc... I believe Kuma just held back like he did both times if he wanted to kill the straw hats he could've ... And didn't zoro said he held back when giving the pain or what ever ?

Not arguing just discussing ... But yeah by that logic Kuma if joined straw hats would not really change up power scale and i think that's bull lol I still think if full all out he could still take out the majority of straw hats if they were to fight right now I mean again literally the dude is a one shot char the best to be frank ... Like akainu law whitebeard they r one shot too but they leave the person there so there's potential chance they can attack again.. However Kuma if at full power and wanted to end things as quickly as possible would literally just make someone disappear
It was never said Kuma held back. Zoro just said that he had no hope of winning after seeing Kuma's metal body. Kuma was serious about getting Luffy and hlaf dead Zoro dodged all of Kuma's attacks.

Iva>Magellan. It was simply a bad match up.

Also, Akainu defeated & knocked out Ivankov. The fact that Iva alone was able to hold off Akainu shows how much of a monster Iva truly is.
 

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That's actually a hard question, since we don't know the limits of the straw hats since the time skip. Zoro still hasn't had much of a challenge in the New world and I'm sure there has to be more to Luffy's gear fourth.
 
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Sanji
Luffy
Zoro
Law
Doffy
Sabo
Ace
Ivankov
Croc
Kuma

Who r the strongest they can defeat in an individual battle



For me I'd say

Zoro: I believe the strongest person he could defeat is Sanji I rank these two like how oda does as rivals basically neck and neck though there is a difference where zoro is stronger but it's not by much (and zoro fanboys idc what u guys say nothing has shown zoro to be leagues above Sanji -/- hell Sanji has had stronger opponents for most part). As for potentially I think he can take on ace however I feel ace is just too strong his destructive feats before timeskip would destory Zoro.. Specifically that sun like move
What the f*ck is this :sdo: , Which organisation opponent that Sanji fought that was stronger than Zoro?
Zoro always fight the second strongest :| Luffy fighting the main Boss
 
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Sanji--------Killer/Urouge/Capone(depends on who is stronger)
Luffy--------Law G4 Luffy-----Doflamingo
Zoro--------Sanji
Law--------G2/G3 Luffy
Doffy-------Sabo
Sabo-------Jozu
Ace--------Zoro/Kuma/Iva
Ivankov----Law/Luffy
Croc-------Smoker
Kuma-------Killer

Why are you ranking Invankov so high :|
 

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What the f*ck is this :sdo: , Which organisation opponent that Sanji fought that was stronger than Zoro?
Zoro always fight the second strongest :| Luffy fighting the main Boss
On Punk Hazard, Sanji fought Vergo and Zoro fought Monet; Monet was weaker.

Absalom and Ryuma are inconclusive.

Both fought fodder on Fishman Island.

In Dressrosa, Sabo fought the strongest and Luffy fought the second strongest.

Oda hasn't used that pattern in a long time.
 

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What the f*ck is this :sdo: , Which organisation opponent that Sanji fought that was stronger than Zoro?
Zoro always fight the second strongest :| Luffy fighting the main Boss
Since timeskip Sanji for the most part has had stronger opponents


He's fought Vergo
Zoro fought Monet
Sanji fought doffy
Zoro fought pica


Granted zoro has defeated them but Sanji could've defeated those enimies as well (bar monet cuz she's w woman)

I don't count Fuji because it was more of skirmish and Fuji only tried to restrain zoro it's an impressive feat though but I do. Not consider it a fight....
So yes Sanji for most part fought stronger opponets

Zoro has had better showing them Sanji but only due to how weak his opponets were note how both these opponets do not like being hit and often hide and use distraction in thier techniques... Pica is not really meant to fight one on one he mainly fights with golem thing

Monet as shown with luffy...
 

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Why are you ranking Invankov so high :|
Because of his hype the only one to damage ivankov was akainu now akainu haki logia combo is so dense that the combined effort of Marco and vista didn't do shit...


Ivankov also trained Sanji for 2 years and very important member of revs and if u actually read (not read the manga but look up and read his abilities ) u see why he's op megllagalan nor Kuma was able to actually put him down and he was laughing both fights .... Ivan tech with his abilities until we see draw backs can infinitely heal himself and infinitely give himself stamina for a fight

He's tech like a double a battery lol


Also how is Ivan beating killer considering him high ?


Ppl don't take Ivan seriously due to his design but if he had bad ass design like Zoro Sanji or law

Ppl would prob like him more personally I love him he gives me life lol
 

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That's actually a hard question, since we don't know the limits of the straw hats since the time skip. Zoro still hasn't had much of a challenge in the New world and I'm sure there has to be more to Luffy's gear fourth.
Wel to me that's the same can be said for the other part of main trio

Luffy's biggest fight was against someone who is obviously superior to him due to the fact that luffy needed someone who is basically as strong as him (law) to complete this...

Sanji has bit off too much that he can chew although both things I'm talking about was situational... With Vergo his body got banged up by nami and the will/soul and brain control the body which is why the explosion affected nami like that she's not used to taking hits like that so when he got body back he was injured

Whereas doffy he had to jump in simply because his crew was gonna die but at end of day with this fight Sanji fought someone that not even his Captain can defeat on his own...

Even Capone while this wasn't a fight Capone is smart he used weaker straw hats to avoid fight (not saying Capone is scared of Sanji on contrary the fact that he attacked pakoms proves that he's not really afraid of anyone at moment lol)

My point is that his fights or almost fights have been situation because of the rest of crew (except franky and prob robin ) is so much more weaker then main three
 

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So who would u say u fail to realize luffy doesn't auto start in gear 4th ...

As for zoro I already know how strong u think he is ... So not even going to argue this... Post ur answers
What does Luffy not starting a battle in G4 has anything to do with Law being the strongest person Luffy can beat? Only wankers would think Law is in the same league as Luffy even after witnessing G4. Sure, Law may win against Luffy in a fight, I'll give you that, But you'd be stupid if you think that'd put Law on par with Luffy in terms of strength.

Regarding Zoro, It seems like you know me better than I do, considering even I am not sure how strong Zoro currently is, So do tell me, How strong do I think Zoro currently is? Regardless of how strong I think he is,given the way they are presented as of now. The difference b/w Zoro and Sanji is astronomical.
 
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What does Luffy not starting a battle in G4 has anything to do with Law being the strongest person Luffy can beat? Only wankers would think Law is in the same league as Luffy even after witnessing G4. Sure, Law may win against Luffy in a fight, I'll give you that, But you'd be stupid if you think that'd put Law on par with Luffy in terms of strength.

Regarding Zoro, It seems like you know me better than I do, considering even I am not sure how strong Zoro currently is, So do tell me, How strong do I think Zoro currently is? Regardless of how strong I think he is,given the way they are presented as of now. The difference b/w Zoro and Sanji is astronomical.
"Law can beat Luffy but that doesn't mean he can contend with Luffy's power." Makes sense. I guess hax doesn't count as much as raw power in terms of strength.
 

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Sanji--------Killer/Urouge/Capone(depends on who is stronger)
Luffy--------Law G4 Luffy-----Doflamingo
Zoro--------Sanji
Law--------G2/G3 Luffy
Doffy-------Sabo
Sabo-------Jozu
Ace--------Zoro/Kuma/Iva
Ivankov----Law/Luffy
Croc-------Smoker
Kuma-------Killer
Why do you think Ace can beat Zoro?
 
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