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I think they can give teen RG sasuke a run.
I think they can give teen RG sasuke a run.
No. That version of Sasuke would molest these two. The strongest they beat is Obito w/ 6 Edo Jins and the Mazo. The only people stronger than him are all Rikudo enhanced characters, SM Hashirama, 8G Gai and EMS Madara.
They beat EMS Madara for sure. Other than that, this.
*Edit: Assuming Madara can't use Kurama anyway
Not even if he can't use Kurama.
And pray tell how is he going to beat them. Even if Minato couldnt use KCM you have a teleporting PS that can reform endlessly.
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I think they can give teen RG sasuke a run.
If the fact that Itachi and Minato are immortal is the only thing that gives them the win then there's no point even mentioning that as nobody listed in this thread has any sealing jutsu thus beside the point OP is trying to make. Madara's PS and Itachi's PS are not comparable in power, when it comes to Kurama vs. PS:
-PS is far larger and more durable pound for pound.
-Far stronger physically and far superior in close combat. (PS=SM Mokujin>>Base Mokujin=Full Kurama>>Half Kurama.
-Hiraishin is useless. Madara's attacks span for miles wide and long. Unless Minato is going to set up Kunai that far away he can't teleport away from Madara's attacks.
-Bijuu Dama of the standard variant are useless. Continuous BD is even more useless. BM Naruto slapped 5 regular sized BD away let alone the smaller continuous variant.
-Super BD is tanked with minimal damage.
-Itachi's PS adds nothing worth mentioning when it comes to offense.
Madara strikes them until they die or until Minato's time limit comes, then it's over.
Immortality is irrelevant. Even without it they would still outlast him with unlimited chakra.
I wouldn't argue their PS are comparable either, Itachis wouldn't even scratch Madaras. Just that Itachi's has enough durability to withstand Madara's attacks and endlessly repair any damage. Madara on the other hand doesn't have the feats to suggest he can just continuously reform his, or even keep it up for long stretches of time. It only broke once after maybe a few minutes of use when he was alive and he stopped using it. Granted there was the rest of the battle, but using PS is easily the most stamina draining tech that he used
I don't disagree with your scaling of the strengths of the constructs either. If durability and strength are proportionate between PS, then then Madaras PS is over two times more durable than Sasukes. Since Sasukes is equal to Narutos BM avatar, it would have to double in durability and gain a Senjutsu boost to match Madaras. Imo it takes around 5 BDs to blow off a good portion of Madaras, since it took the equivalent of two to destroy a good part of Sasukes (scaling down from VOTE2)
Flash BD easily does more damage moderate/heavy damage.
Theres also Izanami since it doesn't require eye contact