Strongest opponent Orochimaru could beat?

[KidGamer65]

The only restriction was ET so I'm assuming this is Zetsu Oro.

Do you really think Orochimaru has absolutely no chances to beat 1MS Obito even if he plays all his cards right? I mean for example the extensive use of Parasite and Shadow Clones + CQC poison scratch tactics.

He has no chances at all. His clones are meh. If he uses a bunch of clones, Juubi Sized Katon burns them all down, and it forces the original Oro to use Oral Rebirth, assuming he takes a direct hit that is. If they all rush him at once, all he needs to do is release giant Shuriken at high speeds to kill them, then the original is easily warped away.

Clones are only helpful if they are strong enough to fight against him. He can swat KCM clones with a casual strike via the Gunbai. He can do the same thing against Orochimaru's clones with little effort, using Double Shuriken instead of the Gunbai since he lacks it here.

Besides, he becomes tangible when he's about to warp. Not seeing how Orochimaru can force him to do that considering he can dismantle clones without warping them.

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Lol...Itachi? Obito? You people seriously need to lay off the drugs.

OT: The strongest he can consistently beat down is Kakuzu, or someone around this general level. Outlasting is possible against Tobirama due to the fact that he can't really hurt the Hydra without using Gojo. Minato can seal, and Oro in base form stands zero chance, so he'd probably win.

Wouldn't Tobirama be doing the outlasting? He has superior reserves by a considerable margin due to his Senju heritage. Though I suppose Zetsu Orochimaru has his reserves enhanced. Hydra can't touch him. And the 4th databook implies that Gojō can be used without Edo Tensei.

 

[KidGamer65]

Wouldn't Tobirama be doing the outlasting? He has superior reserves by a considerable margin due to his Senju heritage. Though I suppose Zetsu Orochimaru has his reserves enhanced. Hydra can't touch him. And the 4th databook implies that Gojō can be used without Edo Tensei.

Senju heritage isn't proof that he has superior reserves by a large margin, won't be surprised if he has more, but I have no idea how to quantify that gap. Doubt it's large though, but considering Orochimaru can be in Hydra Mode all day, he'd probably end up outlasting since Tobirama can't do anything to significant to the Hydra despite it not being able to touch him.

4th DB says that it's a suicide jutsu. Used to think that he could do it...but nah. I doubt it. Probably has to do with how the paper tags are formed to begin with.

 

[Demonic.]

Inb4 EJ Black says Base Hashirama.

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Senju heritage isn't proof that he has superior reserves by a large margin, won't be surprised if he has more, but I have no idea how to quantify that gap. Doubt it's large though, but considering Orochimaru can be in Hydra Mode all day, he'd probably end up outlasting since Tobirama can't do anything to significant to the Hydra despite it not being able to touch him.

4th DB says that it's a suicide jutsu. Used to think that he could do it...but nah. I doubt it. Probably has to do with how the paper tags are formed to begin with.

Well ok about the gap being unquantifiable and hard to discern but I'm pretty sure that the Senju were stated to have great physical prowess and we've seen that with Hashirama and Tsunade (in terms of chakra reserves and stamina). Though I suppose Hashirama was Ashura's incarnate.

Well if a live person could do it then he has other means of providing the paper, which could be the type of paper required to apply the tags/seals. The special tags are what Tobirama applies on the paper when he impaled himself and brought it out.

 

[KidGamer65]

Well ok about the gap being unquantifiable and hard to discern but I'm pretty sure that the Senju were stated to have great physical prowess and we've seen that with Hashirama and Tsunade (in terms of chakra reserves and stamina). Though I suppose Hashirama was Ashura's incarnate.

Well if a live person could do it then he has other means of providing the paper, which could be the type of paper required to apply the tags/seals. The special tags are what Tobirama applies on the paper when he impaled himself and brought it out.

Yup. Hashirama is just on another level, and Tsunade has Byakugo chakra and she's of Uzumaki and Senju blood. But I do think that Tobirama has more.

Orrrr...if a live person could do it, providing the paper would be fatal in some way. Not sure on the specifics, but DB seems to make it clear that if a live person uses the jutsu, it's GG. We'll never know what that means exactly, but it doesn't cheapen the statement.

Though there's a bit of contradicting language in there. Lol. DB 4...

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Orrrr...if a live person could do it, providing the paper would be fatal in some way. Not sure on the specifics, but DB seems to make it clear that if a live person uses the jutsu, it's GG. We'll never know what that means exactly, but it doesn't cheapen the statement.

Though there's a bit of contradicting language in there. Lol. DB 4...

Can't really see any way how providing said paper would be fatal. If anything, the special paper is invoked through or may even come from the special scroll needed to create a reincarnated body. Databook isn't absolute and there is a definite loophole in there.

Mutually Multiplying Explosive Tags (互乗起爆札, Gojō Kibaku Fuda)

Heading: Relentlessly violent detonations of explosion tags. Reducing even tough armours to dust.

Tags that summon more tags that then explode - a special explosion tag. The Second Hokage developed this for the purpose of combining it with “Edo Tensei”. Upon ACTIVATION, due to the devastating (terribly violent) explosions, it is highly probable that the technique-caster will be caught in it. If a live PERSON performs the technique, death is inevitable, for it is a blast technique that sacrifices one’s life (body).

↑ The timing for the invocation (activation) of the technique is crucial. A surprise attack will demonstrate absolute (certain, guaranteed) results.

← At the end of hitting the target (enemy), even if reduced to pieces of flesh (meat confetti), the explosions CONTINUE… The thunderous roar of the explosions speaks for that attack’s brutality (severity).

Classification: Ninjutsu
Rank: A-Rank
Class: Offensive
Range: Short-Range
User(s): Senju Tobirama

The only thing it was labeled as was a kinjutsu, which means forbidden technique if I'm not mistaken. The inevtiable death refers to the technique caster being likely to end up being caught in it. If a shadow clone casts the technique then yeah, it'd be gg shadow clone. But that depends on how the paper is provided, and I can't think of any scenario where that in itself would be fatal to the user, when it is the explosions that are fatal to the user.

 

[KidGamer65]

Can't really see any way how providing said paper would be fatal. If anything, the special paper is invoked through or may even come from the special scroll needed to create a reincarnated body. Databook isn't absolute and there is a definite loophole in there.



The only thing it was labeled as was a kinjutsu, which means forbidden technique if I'm not mistaken. The inevtiable death refers to the technique caster being likely to end up being caught in it. If a shadow clone casts the technique then yeah, it'd be gg shadow clone. But that depends on how the paper is provided, and I can't think of any scenario where that in itself would be fatal to the user, when it is the explosions that are fatal to the user.

Nope.

it. If a live PERSON performs the technique, death is inevitable, for it is a blast technique that sacrifices one’s life (body).

If simple evasion was all that is needed, then the DB wouldn't have said that death is inevitable, nor would it have said that it's a jutsu that sacrifices the body/life, whatever they mean by "sacrificing one's life", or more literally, "sacrificing one's body". Inevitable and likely are two contradicting terms, so they both can't be used to describe the chances of someone dying due to this jutsu.

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Nope.



If simple evasion was all that is needed, then the DB wouldn't have said that death is inevitable, nor would it have said that it's a jutsu that sacrifices the body/life, whatever they mean by "sacrificing one's life", or more literally, "sacrificing one's body". Inevitable and likely are two contradicting terms, so they both can't be used to describe the chances of someone dying due to this jutsu.

That wasn't my point; I wasn't implying that Tobirama could evade. A shadow clone sacrificing its body could be applied to that statement as death is inevitable for the technique caster.

 

[KidGamer65]

That wasn't my point; I wasn't implying that Tobirama could evade. A shadow clone sacrificing its body could be applied to that statement as death is inevitable for the technique caster.

Oh. Then you should have a point here.

 

[lndra]

This is the same guy who got one shotted by 3T Itachi, and would have been taken out by a 3T Sasuke with pure Genjutsu alone all the same if Sasuke was masterful at it (but his body, speed, and techniques make up for the lack of Genjutsu just fine). I can only see Orochimaru beating Hidan and/or Kakuzu.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

Muu or Gengetsu. Both of them mask chakra as well as there person but they don't mask presence, what I mean by that is that the physical body's are still there and hiding (Muu for example, was detected by Gaara because Gaaras sand was hitting Muu, that's also how he detected the clam).

With that said, Orochimaru either catches them by:

Spoiler

Hearing - Although snakes are not equipped with outer ears like people, sound waves from the air hit their skin and are transferred from muscle to bone. When the sound reaches the ear bone beneath the skull, it sends vibrations to the inner ear, and the sound is processed by the brain.

Or by:

Spoiler

Smell - Like humans, snakes breathe airborne smells into nasal openings that lead to an olfactory chamber for processing; but snakes have a secondary system, as well. When a snake flicks its tongue, it is gathering odor particles for transfer to two fluid-filled sacs at the roof of the mouth -- Jacobson's organs -- that lead to a second, smaller olfactory chamber. The tongue is used only to assist in this process; snakes do not have a sense of taste.

His snakes can also detect them through this way.

 

[Scryed]

He already beat Itachi.





In Totsuka genjutsu world.


OT: Kakuzu I guess.

 

[TheLastSensei]

Orochimaru can beat Tsunade.

 

[-immortal-]

Damn , it's actually patethic that i've ni clue what oro's abilities are bar edo he is that itrelevant to me.
So ima say Sasori

 

[Nattana]

He has no chances at all. His clones are meh. If he uses a bunch of clones, Juubi Sized Katon burns them all down, and it forces the original Oro to use Oral Rebirth, assuming he takes a direct hit that is. If they all rush him at once, all he needs to do is release giant Shuriken at high speeds to kill them, then the original is easily warped away.

Clones are only helpful if they are strong enough to fight against him. He can swat KCM clones with a casual strike via the Gunbai. He can do the same thing against Orochimaru's clones with little effort, using Double Shuriken instead of the Gunbai since he lacks it here.

Besides, he becomes tangible when he's about to warp. Not seeing how Orochimaru can force him to do that considering he can dismantle clones without warping them.

Okay, I mean I don't want to debate it further since I'm not really that familliar with Obito's abilities. I never said Orochimaru beats Obito, but now I think he doesn't have chance of winning either.

What about Zetsu Oro vs Minato, Jiraiya? Kisame?

This is the same guy who got one shotted by 3T Itachi, and would have been taken out by a 3T Sasuke with pure Genjutsu alone all the same if Sasuke was masterful at it (but his body, speed, and techniques make up for the lack of Genjutsu just fine). I can only see Orochimaru beating Hidan and/or Kakuzu.

Orochimaru developed resistance to 3T Sharingan Genjutsu. Current Orochimaru =/= Oro 10+ years ago in NV time.

 

[KidGamer65]

What about Zetsu Oro vs Minato, Jiraiya? Kisame?

Minato and Jiraiya win. Not too sure on Kisame.

1. Zetsu body doesn't give Oro anything that'd let him hit Minato. Surprise attacks aren't going to work since Minato can sense chakra, and every time Minato attacked him he'd have to use Oral Rebirth to fix himself, which costs a lot of chakra. Minato can keep this up till he exhausts himself.

2. If he uses something like Hydra, Minato can just seal it with Shisho or Hakke Fuuin. If Oro tries to interrupt the sealing process, Minato can stall him with Boss Toads, or he can just keep evading with Hiraishin till it's ready.

Jiraiya?

1. Stalling to enter Sage Mode isn't too hard. Things like Yomi Numa, and his Gourd Toad and the other toads let him enter it without Orochimaru stopping him.

2. Once he's in Sage Mode, Orochimaru's whole base arsenal, as in the stuff he showed against KN4, is useless. If Mandara no Jin is used, Goemon burns them all up. CQC is a death sentence for him due to Ma and Pa's acidic or bladed tongue, and because of Jiraiya's bolstered stats. Chou Oodama Rasengan would mess him up too. If Oro uses Hydra, then they hammer it with things like Goemon, Senjutsu enhanced Toad Oil Flame Bomb, and Pa's bladed tongue along with Ma's acidic tongue till it comes down.

 

[Conspirator.]

Probably Kakuzu.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Inb4 EJ Black says Base Hashirama.

Lol what? I made a thread with unrealistic heavy prep and summonings he doesn't have, match up. And somehow it = the match up in general terms?

 

[Raykyryn]

Ehh, i say Jiraiya because according to japanese legends snakes > frogs.