I wanna know what's the strongest non-eye clan, and why. I'll give premium to whomever is on point with their facts/ reasons (max.3). I want to exclude the Jugo's clan, but I won't, rather if that clan is first place, go ahead and tell me another. To conclude, give me 2 clans, your first and second that you think are the strongest non-eye clan. Thank you.
Senju, reason being first Ashura descendant therefore Sage Chakra is easily mastered by Hashirama and not only does he possess Wood Release but his cells possess healing abilities that prolong side effects of extended use of Maangekyo Sharingan (i.e Obito's Kamui)
On top of having a durable body Senju's also have massive chakra reserves as displayed in Madara and Hashirama's final clash alive where they fought and remodelled the landscape through massive blasts and explosions.
1. Strong life force, massive chakra reserves, perfect for Jinchuuriki. Senju have strong chakra too, but the life force in itself puts Uzumaki over them
2. Chakra chains A dying Kushina was able to subdue a full Kurama with them, so they are indeed quite damn powerful. Karin is also a good example, having very little combat experience yet still tearing down a massive Mokuton statue. A very destructive power which, not being a Kekkei Genkai, can actually be taught to anyone with Uzumaki blood in their veins, making widespread use easier to achieve.
3. Fuinjutsu as an overall jutsu category is OP. It was able to subdue the Juubi in the proper hands, and its full potential has never fully been established, so the sky is the limit here.
Now, if we ignore the lots of baseless hype towards the Senju, the second strongest should be, in my opinion, the Yuki clan.
1. Their Kekkei Genkai, unlike the Senju, seems to be a lot less rare than the likes of Mokuton. Meaning many members will inherit it instead of just Hashirama.
2. Their techniques were powerful enough to the point where a teenager who had never once been properly trained in his clan's jutsu was able to utilize it ridiculously well. Who knows how far a fully trained Yuki could get.
Also, Imma go and point out that these clans, unlike Juugo's can control their powers and develop them properly, while that clan is just full on rampage during their periods of emotional stress, making harder for both cooperation and improvement of their powers in their blood lustful state.
Hm....I'm gonna say...Uzumaki. Why? Because:
1. Strong life force, massive chakra reserves, perfect for Jinchuuriki. Senju have strong the chakra too, but the life force in itself puts Uzumaki over them
2. CHakra chains A dying Kushina was able to subdue a full Kurama with them, so they are indeed quite damn powerful. Karin is also a good example, having very little combat experience yet still tearing down a massive Mokuton statue. A very destructive power which, not being a Kekkei Genkai, can actually be taught to anyone with Uzumaki blood in their veins, making widespread use easier to achieve.
3. Fuinjutsu as an overall jutsu category is OP. It was able to subdue the Juubi in the proper hands, and its full potential has never fully been established, so the sky is the limit here.
Now, if we go by facts rather than hype, the second strongest should be, in my opinion, the Yuki clan.
1. Their Kekkei Genkai, unlike the Senju, seems to be a lot less rare than the likes of Mokuton. Meaning many members will inherit it instead of just Hashirama.
2. Their techniques were powerful enough to the point where a teenager who had never once been properly trained in his clan's jutsu was able to utilize it ridiculously well. Who knows how far a fully trained Yuki could get.
The Hōzuki Clan, and there's no competition whatsoever. I've touched up on this by making multiple threads within the past month, a truly prodigious clan simply based off of their offspring production (e.g. Gengetsu, Mangetsu, and Suigetsu); a kage, a master of all seven legendary swords, and a younger brother with the potential to accomplish even further tributes.
Take your pick, be it innate water sensory, heat resistant enough to survive a Bijūdama (i.e. making them resistant to any fire-based techniques we've ever seen in the manga), the fact that they can make themselves immune to Genjutsu, or how about the fact that their self-created technique: Mizudeppō no Jutsu, is faster than sound itself?
Or better yet, their immunity to any physical attacks that aren't lightning-based?
The Hōzuki Clan, by far will always be the #1 non-Doujutsu clan in the manga. Ever. If you are truly interested in what the Hōzuki Clan has produced/can accomplish I highly suggest you delve into these spoilers harboring previous threads I've made to make an inference on this extremely powerful, and versatile clan.
Hōzuki Clan Feats
Fact | Genjutsu Immunity; The Hōzuki Clan
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The Hōzuki Clan aren't susceptible to Genjutsu; Genjutsu Immunity.
Thesis
Hōzuki Clan affiliates, through their Hiden (Literally meaning: Secret Tradition) are capable of liquefying themselves wholly; transmuting both external and internal obstruction (i.e. organs - The brain).
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Genjutsu is induced by taking control of the victim's cerebral nerves; sight, hearing, smell, taste, and touch. Changing the properties of human structure (e.g. a liquefied brain), rejects the basis of Genjutsu stipulation; the brain
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Extrospect
Our 5 senses have their respective organs with specific and special cellular structures that are receptors of respective stimuli. These cells are linked to the nervous system and further with the brain. Cells sense at the initial level and this sensing is consolidated in the nervous system to create sensations.
However, the smallest of sensations requires a billion nerve cells to fire prompt messages through the linked pathways to the brain, which then shoots out the corresponding response.
To understand how all our 5 sense organs work, you need to understand the role the brain plays as the control which coordinates them and makes them compliment each other.
Sight
The Eye enables and facilitates vision. In structure, it has a transparent lens to focus light on the retina. The retina is covered with two types of cells − rods and cones. The cone cells are color- sensitive and are located in a part of retina called the fovea.
The rod cells are light-sensitive and are located around the fovea − these are responsible for peripheral and night vision. The optic nerve connects the eye to the brain. This connection is called the ‘blind spot’ because it is insensitive to light.
When the input is received by the brain, from both eyes, it combines them into a single, three-dimensional image. The retina creates an inverted image because of the focusing action of the lens but the brain does a further job by providing the right-side-up perception.
Eyes have an exceptional range of perception. In darkness, the rod cells increase the eyes’ sensitivity to such a level that it becomes capable of detecting even a faint dim light. Conversely, in strong light the iris contracts, to reduce the size of the aperture in order to allow a reduced amount of light into the eye, to protect the light sensitive cells. VIBGYOR is the spectrum of light to which our eyes are sensitive.
Hearing
Our ears enable us to hear. The outer part of the ear is a cup shaped structure, which stands out from the sides of the head. This routes the sounds to the tympanic membrane, commonly known as the ‘ear drum’. The sound vibrations are then further transmnitted, through a chain of small bones in the mid ear − namely the malleus, incus and stapes − to the inner ear.
The inner ear or cochlea is a a spiral-shaped chamber, covered internally with the nerve fibers. These fibers react to the sound vibrations and send the impulses to the brain via the auditory nerve. The brain consolidates the inputs received from both the ears and determines the direction and distance of the sound.
A human ear is sufficiently sensitive to perceive sound from 16 cycles of frequencies per second to 28,000 cycles per second. This is a huge range comprising of a very high pitch to a very deep bass. A pitch change as small as one 300th of 1% of the original frequency can be read by a human ear. It has been found that, after the age of 7, we do not demonstrate a great deal of improvement in the ability to recognize notes. This is why it is said that note and pitch recognition lessons should be taught to children before they reach 4 years of age.
Taste
The taste sensors are called ‘taste buds’. The majority of these are located in the tongue, but they are also found in the upper part of the mouth and near the pharynx. They can detect the 4 basic tastes − salt, sweet, bitter, and sour. The sensitivity of the taste buds to particular tastes is divided into specific areas on the tongue: the tip of the tongue is sensitive to sweet tastes, taste buds at the back of the tongue are sensitive to bitter tastes, those on the top are sensitive to salt and those on the side of the tongue are sensitive to sour tastes.
Every taste bud has a nerve beneath it, which sends sensations to the brain. The sense of taste and smell work in coordination. The number of taste buds and their distribution varies from individual to individual − the higher the number greater the sensitivity. Women, typically, have a higher number of taste buds.
Smell
The nose facilitates the sense of smell. The cavity of the nose has an inner layer of mucous membranes consisting of smell receptors which are connected to the olfactory nerve. A smell is comprised of vapors emanating from different substances.
When these vapors strike the smell receptors, they interact with these molecules and transmit sensations to the brain. There are 7 main types of odors to which the smell receptors are sensitive; these can be segregated into camphor, musk, flower, mint, ether, acrid, or putrid. Whilst suffering from a cold, the sense of smell is commonly lost, temporarily.
Touch
Nerve endings are scattered throughout the surface of the skin and transmit sensations to the brain, thus allowing contact to be felt anywhere throughout the body. However, some areas of the body have a larger number of nerve endings, making them more sensitive than others – for instance there is a very high concentration of nerve endings on the lips, making them extremely sensitive to contact.
We can identify 4 kinds of touch sensations: cold, warmth, contact, and pain. Hair on the skin magnifies sensitivity and acts as a warning system for the body. The fingertips and the sexual organs possess the highest concentration of nerve endings.
Further: Extrospect
We interact with the external world, through our senses. The brain has separate, dedicated areas to receive, interpret and respond to the input received from the sense organs:
Smell− Multiple brain areas are involved:
Smelling is not done by the nose alone, its perception and interpretation involves multiple areas of the brain. After receiving the smell sensation, the nose sends the signals to the olfactory bulb, thalamus and amygdale; this area is called the limbic system.
From here, the signals travel to the temporal and frontal lobes. These areas perform the task of odour memory and discrimination. So much functioning and involvement of brain parts makes us understand, the difference between an odour and a fragrance.
Taste & Odor− Their perception is interrelated:
Taste sensations, received by the taste buds in the tongue, roof of the mouth and throat, reach the brain via the brain stem. Just like smell sensations, taste signals also travel to the limbic system From there the information goes to the frontal and temporal lobes, similar to the smell signals. The similarity and proximity of the brain pathways processing the taste and smell signals, demonstrate the connection between the two senses.
Vision − The Occipital Lobe is significant and critical:
Visual inputs are processed by the occipital lobe, situated at the back of the brain, via the optic nerves from the eyes. The occipital lobe coordinates with various parts of the brain to assist in vision related functions such as remembering people, places or objects previously seen, as well as emotional association with visual input received.
Hearing − The Temporal Lobe Receive Input:
The auditory cortex in the temporal lobe receives the sound input from the ear and interprets it. This communication between the auditory cortex, the frontal and parietal lobes of the brain, result in the recollection of sounds and their association with particular circumstances, as well as identifying the direction from which the a sound is being received.
Sensations − The Parietal Lobe receives all Physical Sensations:
It's the responsibility of the parietal lobe in the brain to perceive, identify and interpret all physical sensations, such as touch, temperature, texture, pain, pleasure, pressure, etc. The touch discrimination capability of different body parts is also different.
Parietal Lobe
The parietal lobe carries out some very specific functions. As a part of the cortex, it has a lot of responsibilities and has to be able to process sensory information within seconds. The parietal lobe is where information such as taste, temperature and touch are integrated, or processed. Humans would not be able to to feel sensations of touch, if the parietal lobe was damaged.
TL;DR
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Due to the Hōzuki Clan's Hiden, Genjutsu is rendered ineffective on the premise: Sensory disruption cannot be attained (e.i. liquidized brain; water, does not contain cerebral nerves) - Lack of disruption within the five senses disables illusionary scenarios to be experienced; Suigetsu, and his clansmen are immune to Genjutsu.
Overlooked | Footspeed; Suigetsu Hōzuki
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Suigetsu Hōzuki is an overlooked character, in regards to his natural talent. Undervalue often being pertained to: Footspeed
١ Case I
Suigetsu x Kirābī
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Panel One-Panel Two-Panel Three
The first panel signifies the distance Suigetsu, Jūgo, and Karin were from Sasuke, and Kirābī.
The second panel rectifies the reader on both: Taka's distance, and the initiation of action from Jūgo.
The third panel further shows the reader how close Kirābī was in his initial assault to hitting Sasuke.
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Though Jūgo was the first to take action, Suigetsu was the first to arrive; appearing instantly from: Start (original distance/Karin's position) - Finish (Sasuke & Kirābī's location), saving Sasuke on the brink of death/fatal injury. This is a testament of great speed on the pretense of Kirābī's reaction feat against one of the fastest characters in the Naruto world; Minato.
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Suigetsu was capable of bypassing Kirābī's reaction by sheer footspeed; be it because Kirābī didn't expect such a feat from Suigetsu, or because Suigetsu covered the portrayed distance at such an amazing speed Kirābī wasn't able to register correctly until their swords clashed.
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Case II
Suigetsu x Ei
Suigetsu, and Karin can be seen on an elevated structure nearly rivaling pillar height in the Kage Summit; the blue circles highlight the summit's entrance roof.
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Panel One-Panel Two-Panel Three
Panel one highlights the entrance roof, showing Ei & co, as well Sasuke, and Jūgo within viewpoint.
Panel two shows Suigetsu, and Karin on the elevated floor above Sasuke, Jūgo, Ei etc. The rooftop can be seen again, directly opposite of Suigetsu's location.
Panel three further insights the rooftop, but this time highlighting Ei's position; back facing opposite to the roof entrance, having a direct visual of anything ahead (Sasuke, Jūgo, and the floor Suigetsu, and Karin are hiding on).
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Suigetsu instantly covered said distance, intercepting a V1 Ei not an instant away from striking Sasuke. Twice now, Suigetsu has done this: First, against Kirābī, and now Ei - Both of which possess incredible reaction speed, as Ei in V1 was stated to be on par with Minato's own reaction speed.
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Suigetsu's footspeed is nothing short of impressive if we factor in who he's went up against, and how fast he's intercepted them.
٣ Case III
Suigetsu x Spiral Zetsu
Spiral Zetsu was shown to have not only the Gokage, but Hiruzen and a few other noteworthy shinobi at a stalemate (favoring him greatly however), intercepting their every move with ease. Ei, the fastest man in that particular situation couldn't even make it anywhere near the opposition.
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Yet, a duo of Karin, and Suigetsu easily intercepted Spiral Zetsu. Karin foolishly rampaging forward, high on emotion for a near dead Sasuke, while Suigetsu out of no where, instantly blitzed forward surprising Spiral Zetsu at his sheer speed (the exclamation mark signifies surprise); even giving him a compliment on both his speed, and jutsu's power.
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Here I've put together several scans to assimilate that: Taka's position stayed the same, to further signify that Suigetsu's speed feat was in fact impressive.
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Photo One - Panel One - Panel Two - Panel Three - Panel Four
Panel one & two highlight Taka's position, in comparison to Spiral Zetsu.
Panel three highlights Taka's position again (after Karin attacked Spiral Zetsu), showing they are in the same spot.
Panel four highlights Karin's position after she used the Uzumaki ability in comparison to Taka's own positioning, and Spiral Zetsu's.
Photo Two - Panel One - Panel Two
Panel one highlights Orochimaru's position; still in the same position as the above panels.
Panel two shows Taka evaluating the scene, still true to their position (left of Spiral Zetsu's construct).
The conclusion as I said before: Suigetsu blitzed Spiral Zetsu, from the same position they started - This proves Suigetsu's footspeed is top tier; far greater than what the majority depicted his natural speed as.
٤ Case IV
Supplementary
Through the usage of the Hōzuki Clan's Hydrification Technique, Suigetsu is capable of not only liquefying his entirety, but compressing the water, and distributing it into any limb(s), giving the subjected a significant enhancement to their physical ability.
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Performing this technique within the leg area would vastly increase the strength in his legs, granting him faster Shunshin (Bodyflicker) speed than that of what he previously possesses.
TL;DR
By manga portrayal, Suigetsu's footspeed is top tier, far greater than what people tend to give him credit for/acknowledge; speed that of which enabled him to intercept opponents such as: Kirābī, Ei, and Spiral Zetsu.
Overlooked | Heat Resistance; Suigetsu Hōzuki
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Suigetsu's (and possibly other Hōzuki clan members) resistance to heat is severely overlooked/underrated, being the target of fallacious statements such as: "Katon jutsu would evaporate Suigetsu." This is in fact false; Suigetsu has been shown to be highly resistant to thermal energy (i.e. heat).
Resistance
Suigetsu while utilizing the technique: Tate Eboshi, against Kirābī displayed a unique feat that physically shouldn't have been possible. Whilst in his aquatic avatar state battling Kirābī, Suigetsu adamantly went toe, to toe with one of the strongest attacks we've seen yet; the Bijūdama.
It's been shown multiple times, that the Bijūdama is the byproduct of releasing highly compressed energy. The actively compressed energy is transitioned into thermal energy due to the atoms being in constant motion; the manga has portrayed this consistently.
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It's common knowledge that compressed energy is more lethal on the pretense of being focused in a secluded area/range, while energy that simply explodes expansively is less potent in regards to its formerly compressed properties (i.e. heat); as the energy spreads out over wider ranges, the thermal energy is carried further, producing less focused heat, than its counterpart. Example:
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To further backup this fact, Gyūki's Bijūdama was explicitly shown to have rose the heat temperature of the surrounding water, causing the liquid to evaporate into steam (gas). This shouldn't be argued/disagreed with seeing as how the Bijūdama's energy was shown to rupture solid constructs.
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With that being brought to the surface, Suigetsu was shown to have been completely in tact, even when Gyūki's Bijūdama severely dwarfed his water construct, and was shown to evaporate the surrounding water. You can clearly see Jūgo carrying Suigetsu after the initial confrontation between Tate Eboshi x Bijūdama.
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We've canonically not seen any katon jutsu rival the power/thermal energy a Bijūdama possesses, thereby fortifying the fact, that Suigetsu is innately heat resistant to any, and all present fire-based techniques portrayed in the manga. Along with suiton being the superior element between the two on the element weakness chart.
Potency
A Bijūdama from the lesser-tailed Bijū were capable of destroying mountains as Kakashi himself stated; Kurama himself in previous chapters had stated the more tails one had, the stronger/more chakra one would possess, which by manga portrayal has been precisely true.
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Bijūdama from the lesser-tailed Bijū were mountain busters; Gyūki, along with Kurama are undoubtedly stronger than all of the other Bijū by manga portrayal. Which can lead us to the inference that both of their respective Bijūdama are more potent than that of the others.
TL;DR
Suigetsu's resistance to heat-based techniques shouldn't be overlooked any further; capable of withstanding, and not evaporating from the sheer thermal energy radiated from Gyūki's Bijūdama which was explicitly shown to evaporate water several pages later.
As well, the lesser-tailed Bijū were shown to be mountain busters with their own Bijūdama, while both Kurama's statement, and manga portrayal highlight the 8th, and 9th tailed-beast are superior to their lesser-tailed kin. In short, Suigetsu cannot be evaporated by anything on, or below the level of Gyūki's Bijūdama.
Expansion | Mizudeppō no Jutsu; The Hōzuki Clan
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Mizudeppō no Jutsu's (Water Gun Technique) value isn't fully appreciated/understood. The Hōzuki Clan's jutsu can be utilized in an expansive way capable of increasing the number of water bullets fired substantially.
Mechanics
Mizudeppō no Jutsu's mechanics are simple, even if we didn't have the databook for its inner-workings, how its executed would still be a facile question to answer; focusing compressed water throughout their finger tips, the Hōzuki Clansmen are able to fire compressed water at augmented speeds.
The fourth databook's translation:
Marvelous water droplets that steal away a person's life. With a flick they move faster than the speed of sound. Water droplets like the sharp bullet of an assassin pierce the enemy. The actual mechanics are simple, the body of the person liquifies. One takes aim with their finger tips and the water drop is shot like a bullet.
Take heed of the bold/underlined context in both descriptions. Compressed water bullets shot out of the finger tips; similar to Kimimaro's own technique.
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Clarified; the usage of Mizudeppō no Jutsu through every limb located on the Hōzuki's hand is undeniably plausible.
Power
Overlooked through the foolish mindset: "Small-scale techniques are weak/If it isn't flashy it's fodder." That isn't the case with this technique; Mizudeppō no Jutsu favors minimal over maximal (i.e. small, but deadly over large, and deadly).
The fourth databook states:
Marvelous water droplets that steal away a person's life. With a flick they move faster than the speed of sound. Water droplets like the sharp bullet of an assassin pierce the enemy.
Faster than the speed of sound, which we've canonically seen in the manga (i.e. Sandaime Kazekage's Iron Sand).
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Canonically, evading attacks faster than sound itself is impossible, and attempting to make a counter argument against that is difficult on the pretense: physically moving faster than sound (i.e. 332 meters per second) is nigh impossible, and hasn't been seen canonically in the manga.
We've also never seen attacks faster than sound be evaded, as Chiyo had to implicate a stationary defense against the Sandaime Kazekage's Iron Sand technique:
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Further proving that attacks capable of moving faster than sound are capable of production, and the Hōzuki Clan's Mizudeppō no Jutsu can do such, making it a nigh impossible to evade technique, only through stationary defense can it be defended against (i.e. the similar way Chiyo defended), or being durable enough to tank the technique (i.e. Spiral Zetsu's Mokuton face mask).
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Durability
Obito's mask was obviously composed of Senju DNA, as we've seen Senju DNA strengthens its target (i.e. character, or object), as seen when a Tobi encased Obito siphoning chakra from the tether (Hashirama's chakra), and the statue (outer path) to punch through the wall in Madara's hideout.
Well as being able to hold together Obito's body, and in the end restoring it past his previous prime.
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Mizudeppō no Jutsu being able to accomplish the same feat (breaking through the mask) as a Bijuu Mode Naruto's Rasengan, is a huge strength feat that shouldn't be overlooked. Undoubtedly it'd be able to pierce through a large margin of individuals/chakra constructs except things such as; Susano'o, 3rd Raikage, etc. Anything of less durability than Obito's Mask/Susano'o/Sandaime Raikage's body is being pierced through. This is fact.
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TL;DR
The Hōzuki Clan's Hiden (Secret Technique): Mizudeppō no Jutsu, is capable of not only being utilized by a single fingertip, but by all five fingertips present; increasing the lethality significantly. In addition, Mizudeppō no Jutsu is faster than the speed of sound (similar to Sandaime Kazekage's Iron Sand technique), further establishing its lethal properties in battle.
Overlooked | Suigetsu's Sensory Feat; The Hōzuki Clan
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Suigetsu has performed an overlooked feat, that no other ninja except Nagato (through application) has been shown to do. Rain Sensing; Suigetsu is capable of acquiring information through rain/water passively.
Location
Firstly. Suigetsu, and Jūgo were both imprisoned in Tetsu no Kuni (Land of Iron), while the Fourth Shinobi World War took place in the locations: Sangaku no Hakaba (Mountain's Graveyard) the Akatsuki's hideout, Shimo no Kuni (Land of Frost), Yu no Kuni (Land of Hot Water), and of course Kaminari no Kuni (Land of Lightning). The entire war, was fought in the lands close to Kumogakure's own; the Land of Lightning.
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Suigetsu was present in the Land of Iron at the time of his break out. The Land of Iron is among Sanrō (Three Wolves), three very large mountains. Remnants of the world war took place in Mountain's Graveyard; the connection between the two is prominent.
Later, it was seen Suigetsu, and co. had made their way to Orochimaru's hideout, located in Otogakure (Hidden Sound Village). The range between the Land of Iron, and the Hidden Sound Village and any of the locations the war took place is vast as can be seen on the map.
Sensory
Suigetsu was blatantly seen performing a sensing ability, be it due to his Hōzuki bloodline (most likely), or through his own self-proficiency; either way, Suigetsu is a sensory type, and one of the more powerful ones we've seen by manga portrayal.
Chapters later, Suigetsu, and Jūgo were seen directly outside of Orochimaru's hideout within Otogakure; Jūgo through his ability to communicate telepathically with animals had attained information about war, right after Jūgo attempted to voice what the birds had relayed to him. However, Jūgo was cut off by Suigetsu, who'd finished his sentence accurately. How was this possible if they had no prior knowledge to anything currently happening? (Reinforced by Jūgo needing to ask the wildlife for ongoing circumstances).
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It's due to Suigetsu's innate ability to sense/acquire information through water, similar to how Nagato had done so. Except, Suigetsu's is passively active due to his genetic makeup/ancestral origins. This is further strongly reinforced by the next page which he states: "Before we get mixed up in this conflict." This additionally proved Suigetsu perceived a war was ongoing.
Stated previously, this sensing ability is similar to Nagato's very own; acquiring chakra signatures/information of those touched by the rain, relaying it back to the user of the technique. Suigetsu instead is simply relayed the information skipping the former's application method.
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This proves that Suigetsu is capable of sensing anyone in contact with water, as long as he himself is as well; though it must be the same form of water (i.e. if rain he must be in contact with rain - if a body of water, then he must be in contact with a body of water etc).
TL;DR
Suigetsu is not only capable of sensing/acquiring information through water, he's able to do so at expansive ranges, as he was capable of sensing warring conflict from a nation/nations away from his location (Orochimaru's hideout within the Sound Village). It's plausible that all Hōzuki Clan members are capable of this due to their clans Hiden (Secret Technique); allowing them to liquidate their entire body composition.
Analysis | Suigetsu's Water Control
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Suigetsu's prowess in the affinity of water regarding control, has never been deeply explored/explained, though from the subtle hints littered throughout the manga, we can easily infer that Suigetsu is quite prominent in suiton usage/control; surpassed only by users such as: Tobirama, and Kisame; while being equal to Gengetsu, and Mei. Though this is only on the premise of power.
Control
Suigetsu's mastery of suiton is highly underrated/overlooked; Suigetsu has been shown to manipulate the water from inside of his body, as well out. The former in such a way, that he was capable of balancing the water levels within his body, while manipulating an amassed amount into a single limb; substantially increasing his strength. Another testament to Suigetsu's mastery over the liquid element, is that he's capable of not only liquefying his bodies composition, but hardening it as well.
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Focusing on the hardening portion that's been underlined in the databook scan. Suigetsu, is capable of hardening water in his manipulation, this is further proven by his ability to compress the water molecules within his body to enlarge/strengthen his limbs. Why is this important? Because it shows us that Suigetsu is capable of increasing the density of water substantially; which explains why he was capable of pushing back Gyūki, pressuring him to use a point-blank Bijūdama.
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In addition, Suigetsu has also been shown to control water he's previously had contact with, as seen when Jūgo violently rushed him, dispersing his water composition, but Suigetsu nigh instantly reformed. During reformation, Suigetsu manipulated the parting water to engulf Jūgo, asphyxiating him nigh instantly/shy of a few seconds.
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So far its been shown, that Suigetsu is capable of hardening water's properties through compressing the liquid's molecules, and being able to manipulate any water he's in contact with. The final tribute regarding his mastery over water is the capability to amass a large construct against Kirābī again nigh instantly, as the exclamation marks indicate: Kirābī didn't expect/couldn't react to Suigetsu's initial assault, and Suigetsu's execution speed pertaining to the amassing of the abundance of water is incredibly fast.
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Suigetsu was capable of manipulating a construct of water slightly less than half the size of Gyūki instantly (or close to instant, as neither Gyūki, or Taka could perceive Suigetsu's presence). This signifies that not only can Suigetsu manipulate water into any shape/form he wishes (i.e. if he wanted to make a water dragon/hydra/etc. he'd be able to) without needing to fuse with it. But that he can do it at an amazing pace as well.
The one, and only reason Suigetsu fused with his amassed construct, was to protect Sasuke & co. from Gyūki killing them. If that weren't the case, Suigetsu very well, could've used the water terrain to create sole constructs, and will them to assault his target.
What even further makes this an incredible feat, is the fact it took no hand seals to perform. Suigetsu is capable of amassing nearly-half the size of Bijū constructs nigh instantly, without performing any hand seals; clearly signifying mastery of the respective element.
TL;DR
Suigetsu's mastery of control regarding the suiton element allows Suigetsu to amass constructs of water hard/large enough to push back even Bijū. As well, not needing to directly fuse with the construct, merely initiating contact once, to be able to control, and manipulate the body of water; hand seals not being a requirement for execution.
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Think about the possibilities the Hōzuki Clan had at their disposal. Has anyone seen TLA/LOK? Blood Bending.. But in this case, the Hōzuki Clan members could submerge themselves in their victims.
Or how about when they enter the person's body, they physically materalize into their full body composition, and cause their host's body to explode.
I'm not taking anything from the other clans, especially not the Uzumaki, but when it comes down to things, the Hōzuki Clan were the most versatile, and one of the most powerful clans in existence; not simple one trick ponies, no, they possessed multiple talents, name one clan that isn't mainstream that could do the follow:
Sensory
Immunity to Genjutsu
Immunity to Physicality
Asphyxiation
OHKO Water Jutsu if aimed @ the head
Capable of combating a Tailed Beast with a water construct
Capable of controlling water's density
Being water based, and being able to be resistance to TBB heat, making them immune to all fire techniques seen in canon
....this thing's really gotten me into a competitive mood. I'm reeeally tempted to make a negative point I have in mind regarding the Hozuki itself, but that's not in the rules, so I'm gonna have to sit back and eagerly wait and watch.
Of course that Uzumaki. Feared so much that they were destroyed in war for their potential in fuinjutsu and long life. If in real life some scientist could live 20 years longer or more how much could they bring to the world ? How much more could you know living so longer life compared to these around you, and how much could you pass to the next generation ? Or to practice some combat discipline.
Uzumaki could seal bijuu so easily that it would not be even funny. You could even use it to seal someone eyes and problem solved. So many kind of possible barriers or traps, sieging Uzu would be nightmare. Death reapers seal is strongest fuin probably showed in series, hell its cheatcode.
....this thing's really gotten me into a competitive mood. I'm reeeally tempted to make a negative point I have in mind regarding the Hozuki itself, but that's not in the rules, so I'm gonna have to sit back and eagerly wait and watch.
This^ there is the misconception that Senju>Uchiha they are basically equals. Their clans were rivals. The only reason the Senju are concidered the victor can be largely attested to Madara who could have continued the fighting when he lost to Hashirama the first time.
Hashirama was ready to take his own life at Madara's behest. Had he went through with it then the Uchiha could have rallied behind Madara once more and history could have turned out very differently.
Instead Madara tried at His and Hashi's childhood dream and Kanoha was founded.
As to the Original Question? Senju, Uzumaki, And and that shark teeth clan from the Hidden Mist. You know Kisame Zabuza, etc. they seem to either be swordmen of the mist or Mizukage.
Now, Hozuki. They would be pretty much godlike if not for their immense Achilles heel. Hozuki cannot take lightning chakra. AS seen in the battle of Unraiyo, they are extremely vulnerable to it, to the point where Suigetsu was wary even of Killer B's lightning enhanced sword, which could be described as one of the most basic forms of lightning chakra in spite of how good B is at it.
Now, this tells us that the most basic form of lightning is already enough for the Hozuki, but its still fine, cause its not like anyone can use them, right...?
Nope.
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This page alone goes to prove something crucial about elemental manipulation, and that is that despite people's affinities and such, with the minimal training, ANYONE can perform basic elemental jutsu, and if we're to judge by Suigetsu's concern towards basic use of Raiton, this is very problematic. If I remember correctly, it took a Chidori to put Suigetsu out of commission for a good period of time, which is particularly concerning, as the Chidori is not even a jutsu aimed directly to shock, but rather to pierce. In fact, normally we don't even see the Chidori shocking people, we only do in this case cause B because he is wet.
Basically, an indirect hit of the Chidori, a jutsu focused more on precision than potency, was enough to drag Suigetsu out of comision.
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Now, on a one on one, this is not a problem by itself, maybe in a larger group ganging up on a Hozuki, but generally, its not a problem. Because for one Hozuki fighting against a random opponent, what are the odds that he even uses Raiton? Low, right?
Thing is, this is not a one on one. This is a comparison of entire clans. Not even bloodlines, actual clans. To put what I'm trying to get across into practice, drag this back to the Warring States Period. For as long as a clan had a single proper Raiton user, with the least effort and preparation, they could have him teach the hand seals to everyone else, and because of a simple Raiton jutsu everyone can now use, the Hozuki would be a lot more likely to fall.
Its kinda hard getting this point across, but to try and simplify it as best as I can in hopes of better understanding, the Hozuki are vulnerable to Raiton and using Raiton is easy. So in a comparison, and furthermore a clash, of two clans, the Hozuki would never come out on top because of this one massive Achilles heel.
So, the Hozuki as an individual is strong, but as a bigger clan, it is very vulnerable to a very easily exploitable weakness.
The Hōzuki Clan are not weak to lightning-based techniques naturally, only when utilizing the Hydrification technique. This is blatantly noted in the manga (through Sasuke stating such), and the databook. Suigetsu is a completely different case, on the premise:
He's been in a liquidation chamber for many years.
He was experimented on by Orochimaru, who played with his DNA.
Suigetsu blatantly stated he was made of completely water.
The Hōzuki Clan were not made of 100% water similar to Suigetsu. This is further supported by the fact that:
The clan's Hydrification technique works to turn the user into complete water. (Why would you need to turn yourself into complete water, when you're already such? It doesn't make sense i.e. you wouldn't).
Gengetsu was shown to be a mixture of an oily, water composition. This goes to show that not only was it true that Hōzuki Clan members weren't susceptible to lightning when liquefied (if they were 100% water, and not any other liquidated component), but it also inherently shows us that the Hōzuki Clan were capable of harboring other liquid properties in their composition.
The Hōzuki Clan are no more weak to lightning than ordinary shinobi (i.e. or else every shinobi hit with lighting would in fact be paralyzed, which isn't the case). Only more susceptible when utilizing their clan's technique. But as shown, they are very, very, very formidable without the usage of such.
This is further proven by the fact that they were killed off similar to the Uzumaki Clan. But their prowess was even further insinuated on, on the pretense that a member of their clan actually became Mizukage, who was stated to be a rival of one of the strongest kages in existence (i.e. Mu).
If the Hōzuki Clan produced byproducts such as Gengetsu, and Mangetsu it's honestly self-given why the clan had become extinct; Suigetsu being the last of his clansmen. Proof of Suigetsu being the last of his kind is on the simple fact that Sasuke formed a cell of sole kin to extinct clans: Sasuke - Suigetsu - Jugo - Karin.
The Hōzuki Clan were in fact one of, if not the most formidable clan in existence only triumphed by the Uchiha by feats.
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I won't even dig further into the fact Gengetsu had a Clam summoning.. Perhaps the Hōzuki Clan had signed the Clam contract, and they all could use the very, very annoyingly, overpowered Genjutsu Gengetsu utilized? The possibilities, and potential this clan had to offer is near endless.
The Hōzuki Clan are not weak to lightning-based techniques naturally, only when utilizing the Hydrification technique. This is blatantly noted in the manga (through Sasuke stating such), and the databook. Suigetsu is a completely different case, on the premise:
He's been in a liquidation chamber for many years.
He was experimented on by Orochimaru, who played with his DNA.
Suigetsu blatantly stated he was made of completely water.
The Hōzuki Clan were not made of 100% water similar to Suigetsu. This is further supported by the fact that:
The clan's Hydrification technique works to turn the user into complete water. (Why would you need to turn yourself into complete water, when you're already such? It doesn't make sense i.e. you wouldn't).
Gengetsu was shown to be a mixture of an oily, water composition. This goes to show that not only was it true that Hōzuki Clan members weren't susceptible to lightning when liquefied (if they were 100% water, and not any other liquidated component), but it also inherently shows us that the Hōzuki Clan were capable of harboring other liquid properties in their composition.
The Hōzuki Clan are no more weak to lightning than ordinary shinobi (i.e. or else every shinobi hit with lighting would in fact be paralyzed, which isn't the case). Only more susceptible when utilizing their clan's technique. But as shown, they are very, very, very formidable without the usage of such.
This is further proven by the fact that they were killed off similar to the Uzumaki Clan. But their prowess was even further insinuated on, on the pretense that a member of their clan actually became Mizukage, who was stated to be a rival of one of the strongest kages in existence (i.e. Mu).
If the Hōzuki Clan produced byproducts such as Gengetsu, and Mangetsu it's honestly self-given why the clan had become extinct; Suigetsu being the last of his clansmen. Proof of Suigetsu being the last of his kind is on the simple fact that Sasuke formed a cell of sole kin to extinct clans: Sasuke - Suigetsu - Jugo - Karin.
The Hōzuki Clan were in fact one of, if not the most formidable clan in existence only triumphed by the Uchiha by feats.
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I won't even dig further into the fact Gengetsu had a Clam summoning.. Perhaps the Hōzuki Clan had signed the Clam contract, and they all could use the very, very annoyingly, overpowered Genjutsu Gengetsu utilized? The possibilities, and potential this clan had to offer is near endless.
Wow, hold your horses though. We're going by Canon info here, and Databook gives us a pretty good description of what the Hozuki can do with their liquidation. Gengetsu here is still the exception and should be treated as such, like Hashirama amongst the Senju.
Anyhow, while this is true, there is still the fact that, coinciding with what you presented on the Hozuki, they are still very, very much reliant on their Liquidation for their fighting style, so while they might not be vulnerable to lightning 24/7, it shouldn't be that hard to catch them on their liquidated states either, so it is still a very big disadvantage.
Thank you.
