Strongest Knb character

[ToshiZO]

Can't believe the shit I'm seeing here
No, Akashi with just EE is not beating any GoM with Zone

When kagami entered zone, the second time, Akashi was completely shut down and all he could do was pass to his team mates outside his area

As for PC zone kise, sure he's strong and was more dominant than silver but his power lasts about a few minutes at best. Looking at overall ability; that's not enough to put him at 1 when he won't be at that level the whole game. And his base is far weaker than aomine, kagami, Akashi or even murasakibara

So in terms of individual overall ability it would be
Akashi > kagami >= aomine > murasakibara = kise > midorima > rest

If we include jabberwock then nash and silver would be above GOM especially when their base stats were enough and they certainly had the potential to go zone

That was Kagami in a deeper zone. It wasn't the same zone him and Aomine clashed in. Akashi with EE was initially matching and overpowering that version of Zone Kagami.

Also Nash and Jason are not above Akashi, not anymore. Akashi gained the belial eye at the end, so it's debateable if Nash with zone could beat Akashi with zone.

And Kagami is not above Aomine, Kagami is literally a worse version of Aomine. Aomine can willingly enter Zone, Kagami outside of his seirin setting struggles to get into it, and he cannot access Zone 2. He is the clear inferior in a vacuum.

Re-read some time ago and watched the movie.

Kise with PC+Zone is beyond a doubt the strongest character in the series. A one on one match doesn't last very long, so stamina wouldn't be a factor here. As for non 1v1 scenarios, he's a valuable player as he can play on any position and can be used as a trump card (PC+Zone).

Akashi is very good and just like Nash the most important member of his team. Nash was said to be the stronger of the two though and this was very evident once he played seriously. Nothing Akashi did in the movie/manga puts him above Kise in a 1v1 scenario.

Aomine was very consistent in the game but not on the hype level of Kise, Nash or Akashi.

Murasakibara was shat on the whole game and shined for a short time only to get shat on even more.

Midorima is the worst in a 1v1 but did his job in the game.

Kagami was probably the most useless member of Vorpal Swords. He did the least amount of them.



1v1 - Kise: Nobody can stop him once he's in zone.

in a regular game - Nash: He's taller than Akashi, has more hax skills, is faster, way stronger (dunked on Zone Kagami) and the players basically confirmed that he's better.

So basically Kise is the strongest and Nash is the best.

You couldn't be more wrong about Murasakibara. His base was shown to be > Jason Silver, which took Aomine and Kagami BOTH in Zone to stop at times.

Bara was an absolute monster, him and Akashi got the biggest upgrades. Bara's base is on Jason Silver's level or higher.

 

[Kushina89]

That was Kagami in a deeper zone. It wasn't the same zone him and Aomine clashed in. Akashi with EE was initially matching and overpowering that version of Zone Kagami.

Also Nash and Jason are not above Akashi, not anymore. Akashi gained the belial eye at the end, so it's debateable if Nash with zone could beat Akashi with zone.

And Kagami is not above Aomine, Kagami is literally a worse version of Aomine. Aomine can willingly enter Zone, Kagami outside of his seirin setting struggles to get into it, and he cannot access Zone 2. He is the clear inferior in a vacuum.


You couldn't be more wrong about Murasakibara. His base was shown to be > Jason Silver, which took Aomine and Kagami BOTH in Zone to stop at times.

Bara was an absolute monster, him and Akashi got the biggest upgrades. Bara's base is on Jason Silver's level or higher.

hey zorotard stop making a retard of yourself and crawl out of akashis ass

 

[SSStylish]

That was Kagami in a deeper zone. It wasn't the same zone him and Aomine clashed in. Akashi with EE was initially matching and overpowering that version of Zone Kagami.

Also Nash and Jason are not above Akashi, not anymore. Akashi gained the belial eye at the end, so it's debateable if Nash with zone could beat Akashi with zone.

And Kagami is not above Aomine, Kagami is literally a worse version of Aomine. Aomine can willingly enter Zone, Kagami outside of his seirin setting struggles to get into it, and he cannot access Zone 2. He is the clear inferior in a vacuum.


You couldn't be more wrong about Murasakibara. His base was shown to be > Jason Silver, which took Aomine and Kagami BOTH in Zone to stop at times.

Bara was an absolute monster, him and Akashi got the biggest upgrades. Bara's base is on Jason Silver's level or higher.

1. The deep zone doesn't make you any stronger. It was stated both in the manga and anime. It's just very good teamplay.

2. Akashi couldn't stop Nash once he played seriously and it was stated that Nash is the better player. The match wouldn't be as close as it was if Akashi alone was above freaking Nash.

3. He wasn't better than Silver. He was just able to stop him for a little bit and that's it. Jason is better in every way. How the hell was Mura more impressive than Silver?

Nash is a better Akashi and Silver is just like the manga said a combination of Aomine, Kagami and Murasakibara. Akashi>Nash and Murasakibara>Silver doesn't make any sense because the game would have been extremely one sided, which it wasn't.

 

[ToshiZO]

1. The deep zone doesn't make you any stronger. It was stated both in the manga and anime. It's just very good teamplay.


Nash is a better Akashi and Silver is just like the manga said a combination of Aomine, Kagami and Murasakibara. Akashi>Nash and Murasakibara>Silver doesn't make any sense because the game would have been extremely one sided, which it wasn't.

The way you type, either you missed the final chapter, or the movie is non canon. Everything is just misinformed here.

2. Akashi couldn't stop Nash once he played seriously and it was stated that Nash is the better player. The match wouldn't be as close as it was if Akashi alone was above freaking Nash.

Dawg, read. Akashi wasn't better than Nash at the beginning, he surpassed Nash at the end of the match, so the game being close is a moot point.

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Akashi literally surpassed him here, he unlocked the same eye, but he himself said he can go further with it.

3. He wasn't better than Silver. He was just able to stop him for a little bit and that's it. Jason is better in every way. How the hell was Mura more impressive than Silver?

You seriously need to read the manga. Silver was literally scared of Bara. Bara was going pure 1v1 with Jason Silver and his untapped potential came out, he turned Silver into his bitch.

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Lmfao it's actually hilarious you said Bara did nothing, Bara legit turned into the strongest GOM in base by far. If he is already above Silver in Base, one can imagine how unstoppable he'd be in zone.

After Silver got rejected twice and dunked on, he tried Bara again, and literally got facialed again.

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Silver himself pissed his pants, he legit felt fear facing Bara lmao. ^His own quote.

Bara turned Silver into a fodder. Silver then injured him to take him out of the game, so again. Your point of the game being close is moot, as this only happened near the end of the game and Bara had to leave after he showed Silver who his father was.

 

[ARGUS]

That was Kagami in a deeper zone. It wasn't the same zone him and Aomine clashed in. Akashi with EE was initially matching and overpowering that version of Zone Kagami.

Yeah and when kagami was directly focused to the zone, he was far above Akashi hence why he needed the zone himself

Same thing happens against aomine or any other GOM. Akashi can't beat them

Also Nash and Jason are not above Akashi, not anymore. Akashi gained the belial eye at the end, so it's debateable if Nash with zone could beat Akashi with zone.

Lol what,
Akashis newer eye couldn't do shit to nash when he got serious especially when Nash was still scoring at the same rate as the GOM which involved 2 people in the zone and murasakibara under the net.

And lol. Silver in animal mode needed 2 zone level players to be kept in check.
Just kuroko and zone kagami defeated zone Akashi,
If silver and Nash went to zone. Akashi would stand no chance

We have also seen how Akashi got blocked flat out against silver when he attempted to shoot at the first quarter

And Kagami is not above Aomine, Kagami is literally a worse version of Aomine. Aomine can willingly enter Zone, Kagami outside of his seirin setting struggles to get into it, and he cannot access Zone 2. He is the clear inferior in a vacuum.

Willingness to enter the zone is irrelevant when kagamis zone is on par with aomine but his true zone is superior.
The only advantage aomine has is that his base is well above kagamis. So that's why they're on the same level but kagami is a better overall team player

You couldn't be more wrong about Murasakibara. His base was shown to be > Jason Silver, which took Aomine and Kagami BOTH in Zone to stop at times.

Lol it was explicitly stated that murasakibara was still inferior to base silver
Animal instinct silver is still well above
While I agree that murasakibaras base > aomine or kagami.
His efficiency with the zone or his peak is below either of them so that tips the scale to the aces favor

Bara was an absolute monster, him and Akashi got the biggest upgrades. Bara's base is on Jason Silver's level or higher.

Agreed on the upgrades.
But baras base being on silvers level is laughable at best.

 

[ToshiZO]

Yeah and when kagami was directly focused to the zone, he was far above Akashi hence why he needed the zone himself

Same thing happens against aomine or any other GOM. Akashi can't beat them


Lol what,
Akashis newer eye couldn't do shit to nash when he got serious especially when Nash was still scoring at the same rate as the GOM which involved 2 people in the zone and murasakibara under the net.

And lol. Silver in animal mode needed 2 zone level players to be kept in check.
Just kuroko and zone kagami defeated zone Akashi,
If silver and Nash went to zone. Akashi would stand no chance

We have also seen how Akashi got blocked flat out against silver when he attempted to shoot at the first quarter


Willingness to enter the zone is irrelevant when kagamis zone is on par with aomine but his true zone is superior.
The only advantage aomine has is that his base is well above kagamis. So that's why they're on the same level but kagami is a better overall team player


Lol it was explicitly stated that murasakibara was still inferior to base silver
Animal instinct silver is still well above
While I agree that murasakibaras base > aomine or kagami.
His efficiency with the zone or his peak is below either of them so that tips the scale to the aces favor


Agreed on the upgrades.
But baras base being on silvers level is laughable at best.

You need to read the manga too then, cause Silver legit pissed his pants at the sight of Bara, Bara's base is not simply on Silver's level, it is above it. When a guy fears another character, its time to stop arguing for him, Silver had to injure Bara to stop him.

Your Akashi point makes zero sense as well, he literally said he surpassed Nash's eye just read the manga again, I haven't watched the movie so I'm gonna assume it was non canon cause some of the shit you guys are saying here is flat out wrong.

 

[Kuroh]

Akashi without question.

 

[ARGUS]

You need to read the manga too then, cause Silver legit pissed his pants at the sight of Bara, Bara's base is not simply on Silver's level, it is above it. When a guy fears another character, its time to stop arguing for him, Silver had to injure Bara to stop him.

What are you talking about,
they literally told us that bara is not above Silver, he could just unleash his max

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Silver has canonically had complete fades, but that doesnt mean the fact that he:

1. Needed 2 Zone level characters to be held in check

2. needed a triple team of kagami, murahsakibra and aomine to be defeated in his own base

3. overwhelmed aomine and murasakabira on his own, quite easily i might add

4. he completely shut down the entire GoM. including akashi

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Your Akashi point makes zero sense as well, he literally said he surpassed Nash's eye just read the manga again, I haven't watched the movie so I'm gonna assume it was non canon cause some of the shit you guys are saying here is flat out wrong.

Lol what, no he didnt.
he ended up getting the same eye as him, and stopping nash once has got nothing to do with anything because Nash was still scoring at the same rate as 2 zone level characters in the GoM, and this is all when Silver is stuck there acting like an idiot, and all when nash is still guarded by akashi

Akashi even in Zone wont stand a shred of chance against Zone Kagami and Aomine,
he is still below Silver and Nash when it comes to overall ability because his base is below and Vorpal swords barely beat jabberwock who had more than enough potential to access the zone
there is also the portrayal of silver/nash being above GoM level

 

[ToshiZO]

What are you talking about,
they literally told us that bara is not above Silver, he could just unleash his max

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Silver has canonically had complete fades, but that doesnt mean the fact that he:

1. Needed 2 Zone level characters to be held in check

2. needed a triple team of kagami, murahsakibra and aomine to be defeated in his own base

3. overwhelmed aomine and murasakabira on his own, quite easily i might add

4. he completely shut down the entire GoM. including akashi

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Lol you ok? That panel literally says nothing. Max? He wasn't even in zone dawg, stop talking out your ass. His max potential in base was finally realized, he met an opponent which he could finally not subconsciously hold back on.

Do I really need to link pages of Bara making Silver his son?

Now read, start to finish

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I'll even separate Silver pissing his pants

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Resorts to injuring him because there was no other way for him to stop Bara

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Meanwhile you're bringing up "facts" that happened before Bara surpassed Silver, I'm bringing up the end of the game and you *****s be bringing up the beginning like that has any relevance. Imagine arguing Frieza > Goku because he was beating Goku at the beginning of their fight. Smh that this has to be explained.

Lol what, no he didnt.
he ended up getting the same eye as him, and stopping nash once has got nothing to do with anything because Nash was still scoring at the same rate as 2 zone level characters in the GoM, and this is all when Silver is stuck there acting like an idiot, and all when nash is still guarded by akashi

Akashi even in Zone wont stand a shred of chance against Zone Kagami and Aomine,
he is still below Silver and Nash when it comes to overall ability because his base is below and Vorpal swords barely beat jabberwock who had more than enough potential to access the zone
there is also the portrayal of silver/nash being above GoM level

Again, stop bringing up how they were portrayed at the beginning of the match ffs. Their portrayal means squat when we got new portrayal and feats.

You need me to highlight Akashi saying his belial eye > Nash's?

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"Nash you can see the future of all players both friend and foe. Yet if I were to name one flaw, it would be you are merely seeing and nothing else! But I can master the power of these eyes even further!"

It doesn't get clearer than this, Akashi's eye surpassed Nash's


Btw Akashi's eye is his base. He never went zone, his eye in base > Nash's eye. So it's an obvious conclusion had he went zone with his new superior eye it would be a one sided beatdown. Still I'll allow Nash to be arguable for now because I feel generous, Silver on the other hand lmfao, Silver is Bara's water boy. He can't hold a candle to him by the end of the match.

Don't do this to yourself, go read the manga again before quoting me next time, I'm not gonna keep sitting people through the manga. I linked the entire Bara sequence, no excuses, next time you quote me with nonsense it's being ignored.

 

[Princess Kaguya]

If Kise had more stamina he would be. His Perfect Copy is too OP.