Strongest Hokage IS...

[startup97]

Hiruzen Sarutobi
Originally posted by Owarij in this thread

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I've been wanting to make this thread for a while , But I have some time on my hands, so i thought why not t.t
In this thread I'll completely analyse ever aspect of hiruzen sarutobi, all his feats, hype, and i'll throw in a few guesses as well

Ninjutsu, genjutsu and taijutsu

- Without a doubt, Hiruzen Sarutobi was if not is one of the most skilled ninjas when it comes to all the forms of ninja combat, Not saying that there aren't others who have surpassed him individually, But i don't believe anyone has surpassed his expert allroundedness...

We are first introduced to Sarutobi Hiruzen as Hokage of the leaf village.. His skill in nijutsu rivaling that of Hatake kakashi , in that he was capable of using over 1000 different types of jutsu

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Ofc this is no small feat, Having an arsenal of that amount of jutsu would take a very long time for most, but it would ensure that you have a counter for almost every attack possible in a battle..

Further information on Hiruzen, by orochimaru, indicates that he was once given the title Professor

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Hiruzen, at one point in the past was able to use EVERY existing Konoha jutsu ,

Do note orochimaru's wording, he not only spoke in past tense , but used the word existing.. meaning operating at a current time... This means hiruzen was not able to use every konoha jutsu that EVER existed.. He is not sayinig that... Hiruzen was able to use every jutsu, of the people currently alive in Konoha.. which would probably include ninjas like Sakume hatake ... .

If you've read this far you're probably thinking that using every existing konoha jutsu would require 5 elements? , Well yes, I'm here to explain to you that Hiruzen had 4-5 elements, He may not have had wind since it's rare in Konoha, but it's likely at least one person had it ...

I already know you're going to say

"It's impossible to have 5 elements , without rinnegan that is"

WRONG , infact Anyone can learn all the elements, it would just take a ridculous amount of time for most.. But hiruzen is no normal ninja...He is a genius with skills in ninjutsu beyond anyone ever seen in the manga bar nagato.... Members of his clan also seem to have some sort of talent in learning jutsu extremely fast, as seen with konohamaru ....

But back to the chakra,

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In this first databook page, you see kishi says " While it depends on the person, Most individuals can tap into one chakra nature easily. At the jonin level, most can use two or more"

This corelates with what Kakashi said.. NOWHERE has kakashi said that 1 or 2 was your limit... he simply said that you are born with an AFFINITY... this is the element that best suits you... You learn it easier than all the rest... Jonins, usually have their affinity + one other element..

Further proof that anyone can learn 5 elements is

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Kishi's clear and exact words- " Mastery of all natures can take years of training"

^ , I do hope this will end the debate on whether a person can get 5 elements.. The thing different about Nagato was that he was capable of doing it at a VERY young age, IMPOSSIBLE for most....

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Hiruzen was stated in the manga to be incredibly skilled in genjutsu, knowing over 1000 of them ALONE .... and mastering each one... along wiith the 5 he was giving in databooks, it shows his expertise in this skill..

Hiruzen's taijutsu in his old form was still extremely good... despite it being significantly weaker than his prime performance according to enma... He was still armed with tricks that even orochimaru missed and was surprised at..

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Prime
Hiruzen's prime state, has been given unrivaled hype throughout this manga... there is no other character but the so6p that was given any better hype than him...

We have his statement from iruka

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Stating that he was considered the strongest hokage of all.. Note this is not a direct statement, nor is it Iruka's OPINION..... iruka is simply stating, that a majority of people , consider Hiruzen as the strongest of the former hokage....

Next up we have Kabuto's statement ..

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Kabuto, if you haven't realized, Is a very informative person... He has been a spy all his life and thus has a load of knowledge from past and present events... He has spied in every village since a child , and knows things others don't know

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So when kabuto says that a majority of people consider hiruzen to have been the strongest kage, once again it isn't his opinion.. it's the opinion of many villages, data that he's collected over years ,the opinion of masses.. that hiruzen was without a doubt stronger....

But what makes hiruzen this strong? what made him so powerful that people would call him a god of shinobi?
We have a man that has mastered ninjutsu, all forms... Trained by both the former hokages, And who's databook ranking in his old age, scored almost all 5's...

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Apart from the things that would have obviously declined with age...

Here we have hiruzen's statement that unlike before , he found enma heavy, showing a significant decrease in strength..

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enma's statement that, his overall performance in taijutsu was lacking...

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and finally statements by anbu members that hiruzen's chakra has significantly decreased since his prime, which affects his stanima greatly

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People bring up that fight oro as an attempt to bellitle his power, and call his hype lies... but they fail to realize that he was just in a horrible condition..

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One where his stanima is ridiculously low, he can't use any of his powerful jutsu, or ANY chakra taxing jutsu.. nothing...

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A man who could not perform in battle..
jutsu like moukouton, which orochimaru and enma hinted he could have dodged, he wasn't able to...

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as enma said.. the battle was NOTHING like him atall..

But even then, even though hiruzen was so incredibly weak compared to his prime, Kishi still considered old hiruzen equal to oro..

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Hiruzen Sarutobi (prime) heres why

Let me just say this:



He was known as "the professor" for Knowing and being able to use all known (Non Kg) Jutsu's in the leaf at one Point in time.
He has shown Fire and earth, I would say it's safe to assume he can also use Water, Possibly Wind aswell.
Also having a 5 in Ninjutsu

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Even in his old age he was said to be the strongest of the 5 current kages.
Kabuto has been a Spy from a Very young age, He has spied in every village since a child , and knows things others don't know.

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Hiruzen also has Mostly all 5's in his Databook Stats. Only lacking Speed/Strength/Stamina because of his Old age.


Enma asked what was wrong with him and stated that he wasn't fighting like he normaly does.
Yet he was still able to hold his ground against two Kages.

Even in his old age, it was said he was Equal to Oro, when the manga had stated many times he is far weaker than his prime.

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Enma has already Proved to be able to Counter Hashirama's wood style.

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He has already Countered bringer of darkness.

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Note: Look at the Page, and you see "Sniff", So hirzens sense of Smell must be quite good to be able to find Hashirama and Tobirama while he is blind.

Thats all i can be bothered to do at this point in timeU_U.

Also when Iruka said he is the strongest Hokage to the Academy students. Hiruzen replied with "Hey, Iruka!! Don't use past tense!!" Hiruzen IMPLIED he that he was the strongest in his prime. Plus Hiruzen was taught by both the 1st and 2nd. He'd probably know about their techniques and how to counter them. Heres when Sarutobi implied that before he was the strongest.

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[Stroking my noodle]

hiruzen fanboy.

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[HashiramaDescendant]

Damn it, I rushed to this thread to say Hashirama, but I see you think Hiruzen is. :|

 

[Punk Hazard]

I disagree. Hiruzen hasn't been mentioned since early Part 2. But Hashirama on the other hand...

 

[Negative Knight]

Lmao this is like a compilation of other people's threads.

Threadception

 

[SoupAddicttt]

Good job, copying Owarij's thread. Anyway didn't read, we haven't seen anything of Hiruzen Prime and until we have i'm not gonna believe all the hype.

 

[huzaifa555]

Fanboy

 

[the truth]

i am gonna reply to this thread by famous Bruce lee quote:''I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times''.
It doesn't matter how many jutsus he knows he is still inferior to 1st and 4th (we don't have much info on 2nd but i think he would beat the shit out of Hiruzen) in my opinion he is stronger than tsunade only.

 

[Simple Math]

you could also just make a thread telling Naruto has yellow hair..

 

[KidGamer65]

He didn't imply anything...he told him not to speak in past tense because he is still alive; usually when people are dead they are referred to in past tense.

And when Kabuto said he was the strongest of the 5 Kages, he meant the Kages at the time, not the Hokages.

As for the rest..it doesn't show that he is the strongest Hokage, it just shows that he was much stronger when he was younger.

The Strongest Hokage is in fact Hashirama.

 

[OnPoint]

So you're just reposting other people's posts? Firstly, the VIZ translation said that Hiruzen had superlative strength compared to the other Hokage, not that he was the strongest Hokage. Secondly, the notion that he was the strongest Hokage in Konoha's history was not repeated in Databook 3; he was simply known as the most 'beloved' Hokage. This could indicate a degree of bias in what the people were saying, since Hiruzen was their favourite. Thirdly, the people who were hyping Sarutobi were doing so under the impression that Shodai's feats were over exaggerated fairytales, as confirmed by Kabuto. Therefore, they wrote of these legends as myths and, subsequently, Sandaime Hokage received the left over praise. How could Hashirama's strength be so unbelievable to the masses if they'd already witnessed Hiruzen's 'God-like' feats?

 

[Mitsuzaki]

The 1st hokage.

 

[Hipster Madara]

Nope... nope... hashirama

 

[Punk Hazard]

i am gonna reply to this thread by famous Bruce lee quote:''I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times''.
It doesn't matter how many jutsus he knows he is still inferior to 1st and 4th (we don't have much info on 2nd but i think he would beat the shit out of Hiruzen) in my opinion he is stronger than tsunade only.

I agree with this. You can have a hundred knives, but lose to a guy with one gun.

 

[xMadara]

First off Hashirama is the strongest. Since all those of the statements are from part 1 it safe to say that within the 3yrs time skip maybe Kabuto/other people was able to research about Hashirama and find out hes the strongest with their new bound knowledge.
Eruka wasnt alive during Hashiramas time so hes asuming since hes the only Hokage hes seen fight.
Ebisu is fodder got beat by sexy jutsu. And needed Konahamaru to save him from one of the pains.
And Edo Madara who stated the only one that can stop him now was Hashirama. Who fought against him Multiple times and whose statement has back up since you know he knows so much about Hashirama. and is elegible to say how strong he is. Other than people stating such about Hruzen and never seen him fight even in prime.

 

[wyliejl]

I say first and fourth is tied for strongest

 

[HashiramaDescendant]

Nope... nope... hashirama

Even Hipster Madara agrees. xd

 

[Serotonin]

Minato could probably take all the hokages at once.

nothing beats FTG.

 

[9TailedToadSage]

you could also just make a thread telling Naruto has yellow hair..

Blonde..

 

[Exaar]

I disagree. Hiruzen hasn't been mentioned since early Part 2. But Hashirama on the other hand...

Hiruzens story ended in Part one, He no longer has any role or anything to do with the current manga, So of course he wouldn't me mentioned.

Quite a lame argument.

He didn't imply anything...he told him not to speak in past tense because he is still alive; usually when people are dead they are referred to in past tense.

And when Kabuto said he was the strongest of the 5 Kages, he meant the Kages at the time, not the Hokages.

As for the rest..it doesn't show that he is the strongest Hokage, it just shows that he was much stronger when he was younger.

The Strongest Hokage is in fact Hashirama.

Past tense isn't usually used when people have died.
It's used when people talk about the past, being dead or alive doesn't change anything.

Like say if people call me a druggie, I can say "Don't talk in past tense, I was a druggie but no more".

Hiruzen said it because, it was once true, But now he's old it's no longer fact.

So you're just reposting other people's posts? Firstly, the VIZ translation said that Hiruzen had superlative strength compared to the other Hokage, not that he was the strongest Hokage. Secondly, the notion that he was the strongest Hokage in Konoha's history was not repeated in Databook 3; he was simply known as the most 'beloved' Hokage. This could indicate a degree of bias in what the people were saying, since Hiruzen was their favourite. Thirdly, the people who were hyping Sarutobi were doing so under the impression that Shodai's feats were over exaggerated fairytales, as confirmed by Kabuto. Therefore, they wrote of these legends as myths and, subsequently, Sandaime Hokage received the left over praise. How could Hashirama's strength be so unbelievable to the masses if they'd already witnessed Hiruzen's 'God-like' feats?

superlative:
a thing that excels all others or is of the highest quality