Strongest form of Goku that Naruto can beat?

[Uchiha Marshmallow]

So you're saying he was FTL as a kid when he's still shown long travel times throughout the ENTIRE manga? You can go around the entirety of earth in 7 seconds at the speed of light. Yet Goku barely travels anything even comparable to that when chasing, running, flying, etc. It's about 4-5 inconsistencies vs 200. If these inconsistencies had happened at EoZ then sure, I'd agree they have potential to be actual feats. But when they happened in DB, then they are clearly outliers and aren't to be recognised. DBZ top tiers are all sub-relativistic, unless we are speaking Whis/Bills/SSj God Goku.

Yes he is capable of such speeds , and there is consistency in terms of supporting feats as you already know. What you're arguing is WHY he didn't use this speed. Same reason Naruto didn't one-shot Shin, or why Sasuke didn't blitz him, for the sake of plot. And this is DragaonBall, are you really asking why a character's ability wasn't used? Need i remind you of the infamous "5 episode minute", during the Frieza saga, this is something that Toriyama is notorious for. In a versus debate, such feats are allowed, so long as they are consistent, and not PIS or CIS.

 

[Apêx1]

Yes he is capable of such speeds , and there is consistency in terms of supporting feats as you already know. What you're arguing is WHY he didn't use this speed. Same reason Naruto didn't one-shot Shin, or why Sasuke didn't blitz him, for the sake of plot. And this is DragaonBall, are you really asking why a character's ability wasn't used? Need i remind you of the infamous "5 episode minute", during the Frieza saga, this is something that Toriyama is notorious for. In a versus debate, such feats are allowed, so long as they are consistent, and not PIS or CIS.

Incorrect. I already told you there's 4 feats of these speeds max and they are almost all DB feats. Everything else in the manga that's quantifiable is either sub-relativistic or less; FACT. If you'd like to believe they are FTL, be my guest and do so. But in an actual debate things don't work like that.

 

[Gein]

I would say Kaio-ken Goku, Saiyan Saga.

LMAO ignore that Im stupid.



End Dragon Ball Goku is nothing for Naruto.

 

[KCMNaruto]

sayian saga base goku is absolutely the most Naruto can beat and it is pushing it.

Nappa at the best sounds fine

 

[JStar King]

Kid Goku. Any other form would neg diff him

 

[genii96]

Kid goku. Any other version neg diffs

 

[Apêx1]

sayian saga base goku is absolutely the most Naruto can beat and it is pushing it.

Nappa at the best sounds fine

Radditz would spank Naruto and Nappa is far more powerful. Not a chance

 

[KCMNaruto]

Radditz would spank Naruto and Nappa is far more powerful. Not a chance

What about TTH Hagoromo or Prime Kaguya ?

 

[Apêx1]

What about TTH Hagoromo or Prime Kaguya ?

They'd still get destroyed, they can't see him. Not to mention Saiyan saga power levels were far higher

 

[Ansatsuken]

Kid Goku after trained under Master Roshi is far faster than RSM Naruto but yeah he still lack fire power to kill RSM Naruto and I think RSM Naruto can beat Kid Goku but lost to teen Goku

 

[KCMNaruto]

They'd still get destroyed, they can't see him. Not to mention Saiyan saga power levels were far higher

Well I don't doubt your words but I wouldn't be so sure...
I mean Hagoromo Ten tails bomb wouldn't be far from planet buster, and Kaguya would be casually planet buster especially in her prime.

We just lack feats of them to use them in battle but based on hype and linear power level they would be hard to be taken out even for Sayian saga goku

 

[Apêx1]

Well I don't doubt your words but I wouldn't be so sure...
I mean Hagoromo Ten tails bomb wouldn't be far from planet buster, and Kaguya would be casually planet buster especially in her prime.

We just lack feats of them to use them in battle but based on hype and linear power level they would be hard to be taken out even for Sayian saga goku

It would be pretty far from planet buster, and the only way for him to use TBB is through the trees. Radditz or Goku can pretty much destroy those trees with Kai blasts. And Kaguya would only be capable of destroying a planet through her TSB's, but it'll never get to that anyways.

Saiyan Saga Goku would destroy them with ease man. It's not even a contest, he'd blitz them before they even realise the fight started.

 

[KingHashirama]

the one from dragonball. The one in dbz after the first arc, pretty much destroys the planet.

 

[Eternal Sage]

the one from dragonball. The one in dbz after the first arc, pretty much destroys the planet.

This. Vegeta was able to blow up a planet without breaking a sweat when he was first revealed at the start of the Saiyan Saga. Goku at the beginning of dbz can easily destroy the moon, which is a feat none of the naruto chars have shown

 

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Kid goku

 

[Fockboy]

This is what happens to NV

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[BenjerminGaye]

Since when did
unable to track
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ftl.


So is ay ftl since SASuke can't track him?

 

[Apêx1]

Since when did
unable to track
=
ftl.


So is ay ftl since SASuke can't track him?

No one ever said that. I'm pretty sure he's referring tot his incident [

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[Omar19992010]

Can't beat DragonBall Goku, he was casually moving at MFTL speeds. [

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Nobody in DBZ moves FTL until end of Buu Saga or arguably BOG. Not even SSJ Gotenks was moving at light speed considering it took him longer than a couple seconds to go around the earth once and Light can travel 7.5 times around the world in one second.

There's no way anybody from Beginning of series, DBZ moves at light speed. You can argue they have light speed reactions but reactions and movement speed is two very different things.

 

[LuckyMan]

Kid Goku. Lmao.

Kid Gokus power pole and extend to the moon in mere seconds. Pretty sure that solos Naruto, Lol.