[Discussion] Strongest Espada Wonderweiss can defeat?

[kotoamatsukami]

1. Never happen, so what's the point?

2. Who said that Byakuya is smarter than Tsukishima, smart wasn't really any equivalent, Tsukishima has know about everything Byakuya has knew, he even teached him his techniqes, he literally know any technique or tactic Byakuya ever made, that was just arrogan from Tsukishima's side.

3. Saying that you are stronger than someone is not arrogant. Tsukishima's words were nearly true, arrogant is what Yama did agaisnt RoydYhwach, not what he did against Aizen. Yama never lost to Aizen. It was also imlied that Aizen would be dead by Ennetsu Jigoku, after WW explode, Yama who tried to stop explosion (explosion that would kill Aizen), was left nearly dead, but still was able to cast 90s level of kido, and damage Aizen, which further my point here.

4. Byakuya did outpaced twice. If we take that first time he was just surpised, than why didn't he counter it second time. Ichigo was faster than Byakuya, than he just slowing down, what made them equal in speed, he started slowing down because he take a hit from Senbonzakura, when he was still in shikai, which later take effect, that was proven with their conversation:
Byakuya: "I didn't get faster"
Ichigo: "You want to say that I got slower".

5. Byakuya was faster than Zommari, it was proven when latter used Utsetsumi and outpaced him.

6. Never said that Starrk used Sonido. One can use just his raw speed and still be faster than him using sonido. Ichigo's raw speed is faster than his shunpo speed. Zaraki don't even know shunpo, he also use just raw speed.

7. Manga didn't stated that he used sonido. So, burden of proof is on you, not me, you need to give proof or at least good explanation why did Starrk used sonido.

8. Where was stated that no one believe that Zommari's sonido is not fastest? Fact and feats say that his sonido is best, tho, just raw speed of others are greater than his.

Yea they never finished their so how you know Yama was going to win?

Ok he can know about everything but Byakuya was smart enough to come up with a new way to use senbonzakura at the end which led to tsukishima's defeat...an it was arrogance from Yama side aswell for thinking he was going to take down aizen.

Yama did not just say in stronger than you there was more to it,calling aizen a child,telling him say what you can now cuz it will all be over soon,you think that you can strike me just cuz you took away ryujinjaka...Yama should have known better he known better gotta have a back up plan when fighting someone like aizen...an that 90 level kido did what?.an I doubt aizen was going to die anyway thanks to the hogyoku.

Byakuya was just to amazed that ichigo sliced threw all his petals that's how he got behind his back the second time an he still turned around an grabbed his sword...an at that moment ichigo was still moving fast,like I said why would he change to fighting ichigo sword to sword if he would just get out spead? Byakuya knew he could keep up that's why.

No he was just prepared incase there where more clones..like Byakuya stated,you should have never revealed how ur ability work so soon...if zommari would have kept his mouth shut he probaly would have had a much better chance.

Lol what how in the world is ichigo raw speed faster than his shunpo lol ur not making any sense...an yea stark used sonido how did you even get the idea he did not? Sonido is how he traveled so far in such short time.

Stated how I know he used sonido above.

I meant real life people that read the manga no one really thinks zommari sonido is faster than stark,people think he's no where close actually.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

1. Yama said something that wasn't proven wrong, nor did Aizen said said anything against it.

2. Why is arrogance to think that you can take down something, especially when you watched his fight, feelt his reiatsu?

3. I don't see why is that relative here. Aizen is child compared to Yamamoto. I could see Aizen's death there if he didn't had Hogyoku (Yama never knew that Aizen is fused with Hogyoku, and therefor never refer to Aizen + Hogyoku, just Shinigami Aizen) and if Yama wasn't on verge death. When Yama used his kido, Aizen was like "!!!", and Aizen didn't really escape it easy, he was injured with it, not to mention that he already had Hogyoku who healed his wonds. So, it's probably that Kido did give him more damage that what we saw.

4. Byakuya didn't had anything more, Byakuya was obviously slower than Ichigo there, he even commented that Ichigo is second person that saw his technique.

5. Maybe, but also maybe not. Byakuya was not just able to outpace Zommari, he with Utsetsumi did outpace him with long margin.

6. Ichigo's raw speed (that comes from his bankai) was able to outpace Byakuya, he couldn't do it while using shikai, where he don't have speed boost from bankai, and therefore used his shunpo.

7. Show me were was that stated?

8. They are not aware that manga never showed Starkk's with sonido or anyone other.

in sonido: Zommari > other espadas
in overall speed: Starrk > Ulq > Grimm > Zommari.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

1. Yama said something that wasn't proven wrong, nor did Aizen said said anything against it.

2. Why is arrogance to think that you can take down something, especially when you watched his fight, feelt his reiatsu?

3. I don't see why is that relative here. Aizen is child compared to Yamamoto. I could see Aizen's death there if he didn't had Hogyoku (Yama never knew that Aizen is fused with Hogyoku, and therefor never refer to Aizen + Hogyoku, just Shinigami Aizen) and if Yama wasn't on verge death. When Yama used his kido, Aizen was like "!!!", and Aizen didn't really escape it easy, he was injured with it, not to mention that he already had Hogyoku who healed his wonds. So, it's probably that Kido did give him more damage that what we saw.

4. Byakuya didn't had anything more, Byakuya was obviously slower than Ichigo there, he even commented that Ichigo is second person that saw his technique.

5. Maybe, but also maybe not. Byakuya was not just able to outpace Zommari, he with Utsetsumi did outpace him with long margin.

6. Ichigo's raw speed (that comes from his bankai) was able to outpace Byakuya, he couldn't do it while using shikai, where he don't have speed boost from bankai, and therefore used his shunpo.

7. Show me were was that stated?

8. They are not aware that manga never showed Starkk's with sonido or anyone other.

in sonido: Zommari > other espadas
in overall speed: Starrk > Ulq > Grimm > Zommari.

Aizen did say something against it he said "you don't listen very well all the flames you let out were sealed in ww now what will happen if all thoes flames were let out at once"..that was his reply,he knew Yama was going down from the start no need for him to argue with someone he knew was already defeated.

Because Yama thinks he can beat everybody no matter who they are just by useing brute force,always calling somebody a child an what not..alot more other stuff aswell..thinking he can take down aizen with just his bare hands that's arrogance itself.

That kido did nothing,an he did not get healed until after ichigo getsuga tensho so try again.

Obviously slower how where's the proof of them haveing a shunpo fight before senkei was activated?..yea he's the second person to see that tec so?..his petals won't working so he chose to fight ichigo sword to sword.

Without the hint from zommari things would have been more troublesome for Byakuya nuff said.

What? Ichigo used shunpo in bankai aswell, while fighting byakuya,his bankai shunpo is faster than his shikai shunpo...what makes you think people only useing there raw speed do you not know when they are useing shunpo,sonido or something?

Even on bleach wiki it says he used sonido to bring oriheme to aizen..but I guess it's wrong to cuz you say other wise.

They don't care they just believe starrk is better in all categories.

If ur sonido is the fastest then that makes you the fastest..but whatever.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

1. Yama first made his statament, than fought WW and than needed to stop the explosion.

2. It's not that Yama just think that he can beat someone, and it's not just brute force. Yama saw whole battle Aizen had and also feelt his reiatsu, reiatsu goes hand to hand with overall power, and he still made such a statamanet. Saying that you are stronger than someone is not arrogance, especially if you are tryly stronger than him, which was implied to be. Yamamoto is around for 2000+ years (academy was formed at that time, and even then he seems to be old), so it's very possible that Yamamoto is older than 3000 years. Aizen on the other hand shouldn't be older than 500 years at best. So, Aizen is child, comparing to Yamamoto. Yamamoto even refer to Kyoraku and Ukitake (who seems to be older than Aizen) as childs. So that's not arrogance.

3. How do you know that it didn't do anything? It did, you can see that by Aizen's clothes and his eyes, not to mention that it was kido coming from nearly dead person.

4. Ichigo's raw speed comes from bankai, that was implied in that fight, when Ichigo after going bankai, was able to outpace Byakuya, and in fight against Grimmjow, when Grimmjow commented "does bankai only increase your speed".

5. I don't believe in that, I could agree if they were close, but they weren't.

6. It was never implied that they use Shunpo, nor Sonido, and we know that Raw speed exist. So you need to give a proof of them using it here.

7. Wiki guys are just ordinary fans just like us, you are free to re read that part and you will see that it wasn't implied.

8. That's not a good argument. Because some other fans believe in something, I should believe in that too. NO, I will believe in what is stated in manga.

9. Again. That don't make you faster. Ichigo raw speed was able to outpace Byakuya. Ichigo shunpo speed was able to get hit by petals.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

1. Yama first made his statament, than fought WW and than needed to stop the explosion.

2. It's not that Yama just think that he can beat someone, and it's not just brute force. Yama saw whole battle Aizen had and also feelt his reiatsu, reiatsu goes hand to hand with overall power, and he still made such a statamanet. Saying that you are stronger than someone is not arrogance, especially if you are tryly stronger than him, which was implied to be. Yamamoto is around for 2000+ years (academy was formed at that time, and even then he seems to be old), so it's very possible that Yamamoto is older than 3000 years. Aizen on the other hand shouldn't be older than 500 years at best. So, Aizen is child, comparing to Yamamoto. Yamamoto even refer to Kyoraku and Ukitake (who seems to be older than Aizen) as childs. So that's not arrogance.

3. How do you know that it didn't do anything? It did, you can see that by Aizen's clothes and his eyes, not to mention that it was kido coming from nearly dead person.

4. Ichigo's raw speed comes from bankai, that was implied in that fight, when Ichigo after going bankai, was able to outpace Byakuya, and in fight against Grimmjow, when Grimmjow commented "does bankai only increase your speed".

5. I don't believe in that, I could agree if they were close, but they weren't.

6. It was never implied that they use Shunpo, nor Sonido, and we know that Raw speed exist. So you need to give a proof of them using it here.

7. Wiki guys are just ordinary fans just like us, you are free to re read that part and you will see that it wasn't implied.

8. That's not a good argument. Because some other fans believe in something, I should believe in that too. NO, I will believe in what is stated in manga.

9. Again. That don't make you faster. Ichigo raw speed was able to outpace Byakuya. Ichigo shunpo speed was able to get hit by petals.

Your talking about then,right after he made his statement he attacked so yea aizen could not say anything cuz Yama did not give him time to..but in talking about after he beat ww he said something else aswell an that's when aizen said what I posted In my last post.

Saw the whole battle so what he already knew what aizen was capable of before the battle even took place they all knew what he was capable of an they all already felt his reiatsu the moment he entered fkt...they all thought they had a chance an they all failed...he's arrogant for thinking that he would beat aizen with such a simple plan...just thinks no one can stop him but was shown he could be stopped...Yama defeating ks with just his bare hands naw I doubt it I used to think he could as well but now I can't see it happening..that so called child took Yama out with smart planning who's the child now?

It did nothing aizen showed no sings of pain he was just surprised that Yama did it at a near death state.

His bankai increases his speed period weather it's his raw speed or shunpo,when he went behind Byakuya back after deflecting his petals that was shunpo

They don't have to explain that they use sonido or shunpo everytime they use it that would be pointless you can already tell when they use it an when they don't..like I stated how you think he traveled so far so fast it's cuz he used sonido he basically disappeared..was it ever implied that kyoraku was using shunpo to escape stark cero gun cuz he surely was.

Bleach wiki gives facts an explains everything.

you believe what is stated in the manga I doubt you believe everything that's stated in the manga unohana said she is stronger than anyone but zaraki while she was fighting zaraki..so you believe she is stronger than aizen an Yama?

ichigo was in shikai so yea he got hit his shunpo is slower when in shikai cuz as we all know his bankai makes him faster in all categories...an o yea bankai ichigo also could not just use speed an escape the petals ether, that's why he had to turn around an deflect them.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

1. He had plenty of time during fight Yama vs WW fight, and he had time while Yama was on ground, but he never said anything that would contering Yama's argument, if anything he just praised him more.

2. All of them were mostly under KS, Yama wasn't. Again it's not arrogance. If you are truly stronger than someone and made such statament that it isn't arrogant, it's not honorable either, but it's not arrogant.

3. It did, you can see it by his clothes.

4. Can you prove that?

5. Oh, first good argument, coming from you. But it was previously already stated that Kyoraku is good at using Shunpo (in his fight with Yamamoto), but it was never implied with Starrk. Even if I agree with it, it would still leave Starrk with his ressurection. Ressurection increase every aspect, since it's release of their hollow powers.

6. Bleach Wiki also has reference, click on reference and give me the page, so that I can see it.

7. Such statament are proven wrong and some are not. Some are credible and some not. During FKT it was proven that she is inferior to Shinigami Aizen and Shinigami Aizen is inferior to Yamamoto. Not to mention that many 'stataments' are editors note, + best translations on interntet (BadKarma and Cnet) don't have that sentence in their translations.

8. Not really. Ressurection and Vollstandig increase every category, but that's not case with Bankai. Bankai increase power of your sword, and probably your reiatsu, since reiatsu pretty much goes hand to hand with overall power. It was stated that only Ichigo's bankai increase his speed.

9. And difference is?

 

[kotoamatsukami]

1. He had plenty of time during fight Yama vs WW fight, and he had time while Yama was on ground, but he never said anything that would contering Yama's argument, if anything he just praised him more.

2. All of them were mostly under KS, Yama wasn't. Again it's not arrogance. If you are truly stronger than someone and made such statament that it isn't arrogant, it's not honorable either, but it's not arrogant.

3. It did, you can see it by his clothes.

4. Can you prove that?

5. Oh, first good argument, coming from you. But it was previously already stated that Kyoraku is good at using Shunpo (in his fight with Yamamoto), but it was never implied with Starrk. Even if I agree with it, it would still leave Starrk with his ressurection. Ressurection increase every aspect, since it's release of their hollow powers.

6. Bleach Wiki also has reference, click on reference and give me the page, so that I can see it.

7. Such statament are proven wrong and some are not. Some are credible and some not. During FKT it was proven that she is inferior to Shinigami Aizen and Shinigami Aizen is inferior to Yamamoto. Not to mention that many 'stataments' are editors note, + best translations on interntet (BadKarma and Cnet) don't have that sentence in their translations.

8. Not really. Ressurection and Vollstandig increase every category, but that's not case with Bankai. Bankai increase power of your sword, and probably your reiatsu, since reiatsu pretty much goes hand to hand with overall power. It was stated that only Ichigo's bankai increase his speed.

9. And difference is?

It was focusing on the action,why go back to aizen so aizen can talk about how he's stronger than Yama there's no point...like I said he did say something back an I posted what he said in an early post..he knew Yama was going down so why bother to talk about how much stronger he is than Yama at the moment?

Lol Yama wasn't under ks ability what are you serious?..lol unohana stated everyone but ichigo was under ks ability...that's why Yama let aizen stab him so he could make sure he won't wasn't caught by ks....that's the thing Yama won't really stronger he was physical wise but that's it he had no real counter to ks anymore....barrgan was truly stronger than hachi an look at what happen in the end smartness an planing won that battle so barrgan was being arrogant just like Yama was.

Lol his clothes but not him?

Cuz when ichigo was useing just his raw speed running around bykuya,bykuya could keep up his petals did aswell...but he then used shunpo inorder to get behind Byakuya back he completely disappeared.

lol so coming from your argument they have to say they used shunpo or sonido every time they use it...resurrection increase every aspect sense when?

Lol a reference for what they say he also used sonido you the only one who thinks he used his raw speed..they can't give a reference if starkk never stated he used it.

Yama words hold no weight cuz he never got to prove if he could beat aizen without his zanpacto simple as that..but aizen had the upper hand at the moment.

like I said before sense when do they increase every aspect? Noritora never showed any good speed in base nor did it get any better in his release...that's what I been saying ichigo's bankai increases his speed so what are you trying to say exactly?

And difference is what? I don't know what ur asking for?

 

[Forbidden Tale]

It was focusing on the action,why go back to aizen so aizen can talk about how he's stronger than Yama there's no point...like I said he did say something back an I posted what he said in an early post..he knew Yama was going down so why bother to talk about how much stronger he is than Yama at the moment?

I don't see any good reason to believe otherwise.

On the contrary. It was already stated (By Aizen) that he would lose against RJ alone. We know that zanpakutos are mirrors of user's souls. Yamamoto's zanpakuto is strongest because his soul (without usage of zanp) is still strongest.

That' evident. Having strong zanpakuto is because you by yourself is strong, so if RJ can beat Aizen alone, than Yama without usage of it can as well.

Lol Yama wasn't under ks ability what are you serious?..lol unohana stated everyone but ichigo was under ks ability...that's why Yama let aizen stab him so he could make sure he won't wasn't caught by ks....that's the thing Yama won't really stronger he was physical wise but that's it he had no real counter to ks anymore....barrgan was truly stronger than hachi an look at what happen in the end smartness an planing won that battle so barrgan was being arrogant just like Yama was.

Unohana stated that Yama can be put under KS's effect, but it was never shown that Yama was under influence of zanp. It was proven when Yama grap his hand, just in case.

Lol his clothes but not him?

Can you prove that. You can see that he was hit and that by his clothes, on top of that he already had Hogyoku and also that was attack coming from near dead Yama.

Cuz when ichigo was useing just his raw speed running around bykuya,bykuya could keep up his petals did aswell...but he then used shunpo inorder to get behind Byakuya back he completely disappeared.

Petals are not part of his speed. Ichigo was able to outpace Byakuya wiht just speed from his bankai.

lol so coming from your argument they have to say they used shunpo or sonido every time they use it...resurrection increase every aspect sense when?

Hollows have also speed, but they don't use sonido. Ressurection is release of their Hollows powers and therefore increase their speed as well.

Lol a reference for what they say he also used sonido you the only one who thinks he used his raw speed..they can't give a reference if starkk never stated he used it.

Burden of proof is still on you.

Yama words hold no weight cuz he never got to prove if he could beat aizen without his zanpacto simple as that..but aizen had the upper hand at the moment.

Aizen alone never had upper hand against Yamamoto.

like I said before sense when do they increase every aspect? Noritora never showed any good speed in base nor did it get any better in his release...that's what I been saying ichigo's bankai increases his speed so what are you trying to say exactly?

You have it above.

And difference is what? I don't know what ur asking for?

I'm not sure what you were trying to say with:

ichigo was in shikai so yea he got hit his shunpo is slower when in shikai cuz as we all know his bankai makes him faster in all categories...an o yea bankai ichigo also could not just use speed an escape the petals ether, that's why he had to turn around an deflect them.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

I don't see any good reason to believe otherwise.

On the contrary. It was already stated (By Aizen) that he would lose against RJ alone. We know that zanpakutos are mirrors of user's souls. Yamamoto's zanpakuto is strongest because his soul (without usage of zanp) is still strongest.

That' evident. Having strong zanpakuto is because you by yourself is strong, so if RJ can beat Aizen alone, than Yama without usage of it can as well.



Unohana stated that Yama can be put under KS's effect, but it was never shown that Yama was under influence of zanp. It was proven when Yama grap his hand, just in case.



Can you prove that. You can see that he was hit and that by his clothes, on top of that he already had Hogyoku and also that was attack coming from near dead Yama.



Petals are not part of his speed. Ichigo was able to outpace Byakuya wiht just speed from his bankai.



Hollows have also speed, but they don't use sonido. Ressurection is release of their Hollows powers and therefore increase their speed as well.



Burden of proof is still on you.



Aizen alone never had upper hand against Yamamoto.



You have it above.



I'm not sure what you were trying to say with:

ichigo was in shikai so yea he got hit his shunpo is slower when in shikai cuz as we all know his bankai makes him faster in all categories...an o yea bankai ichigo also could not just use speed an escape the petals ether, that's why he had to turn around an deflect them.

What so you saying Yama without RJ is still the same strong? I think not..Yama has no clear counter to ks so his statement is invalid.

What? Bring me this proof please?..she statelet everyone but ichigo has seen ks,I can bring that proof but can you bring me proof of what your saying?

Like I stated that attack did not phase him he was just surprised Yama could use that move in that bad condition he was in...hogyoku did nothing only decided to heal him after ichigo's attack.

What? The whole point was that Byakuya was keeping up with his movements an throwing his petals at ichigo cuz he could actually keep up with just the raw speed ichigo was useing...yea his bankai flash step speed,his bankai increase his speed period so of course his flash step got faster lol you think he stops useing flash step when he goes bankai?

Lol increases their speed, dang come to think of it noritora did get faster after his release wait no he did not,Barrgan ain't get no faster ether.

Lol no burden of proof is on you...like I stated he used that to travel a long distance in a short time...you the one who lacks proof lol saying they need to state everytime they use flash step or sonido....if it was his raw speed, ichigo would have saw them leaving from a distance.

Lol no once Yama lost his zan aizen had the upper hand from their.

?what?..you said it increases everything about an espada then why didn't all of them get faster then?

My fault I thought ichigo used shunpo in his shikai form to escape bykuya petals but he never did...an I was saying bankai ichigo raw speed won't enough to escape bykuya petals so he had to deflect them..an ichigo was outpacing his petals at moments not Byakuya himself.

 

[Don Drama]

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[Forbidden Tale]

What so you saying Yama without RJ is still the same strong? I think not..Yama has no clear counter to ks so his statement is invalid.

No, what am I saying is: Yama with Ryujin Jakka (just flames) = Yama with kido, shunpo and hakuda.

What? Bring me this proof please?..she statelet everyone but ichigo has seen ks,I can bring that proof but can you bring me proof of what your saying?

That's actually my point. She made her statament only because she didn't know that KS can be countered. Her point is invalid, it was proven when Aizen said that he would lose if he goes against Yamamoto.

Like I stated that attack did not phase him he was just surprised Yama could use that move in that bad condition he was in...hogyoku did nothing only decided to heal him after ichigo's attack.

That just show Yamamoto's strength, Yama even while near death, is still capable of producing 90s level kido. I just said that this is one of possibilities that happen, if you say otherwise, you would need to prove that.

What? The whole point was that Byakuya was keeping up with his movements an throwing his petals at ichigo cuz he could actually keep up with just the raw speed ichigo was useing...yea his bankai flash step speed,his bankai increase his speed period so of course his flash step got faster lol you think he stops useing flash step when he goes bankai?

Yes, we never see shunpo type zanpakuto, so zanp. don't increase your shunpo.

Lol increases their speed, dang come to think of it noritora did get faster after his release wait no he did not,Barrgan ain't get no faster ether.

Both of them don't relly on their speed. Zaraki relly on his hierro, that's why he allocate more reiatsu into it and Barragan make others slower.

Lol no burden of proof is on you...like I stated he used that to travel a long distance in a short time...you the one who lacks proof lol saying they need to state everytime they use flash step or sonido....if it was his raw speed, ichigo would have saw them leaving from a distance.

Not, if they are super fast.

Lol no once Yama lost his zan aizen had the upper hand from their.

No, he didn't.

?what?..you said it increases everything about an espada then why didn't all of them get faster then?

From the above. Some of them don't relly on speed.

My fault I thought ichigo used shunpo in his shikai form to escape bykuya petals but he never did...an I was saying bankai ichigo raw speed won't enough to escape bykuya petals so he had to deflect them..an ichigo was outpacing his petals at moments not Byakuya himself.

He did outpcace him two times.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

No, what am I saying is: Yama with Ryujin Jakka (just flames) = Yama with kido, shunpo and hakuda.



That's actually my point. She made her statament only because she didn't know that KS can be countered. Her point is invalid, it was proven when Aizen said that he would lose if he goes against Yamamoto.



That just show Yamamoto's strength, Yama even while near death, is still capable of producing 90s level kido. I just said that this is one of possibilities that happen, if you say otherwise, you would need to prove that.



Yes, we never see shunpo type zanpakuto, so zanp. don't increase your shunpo.



Both of them don't relly on their speed. Zaraki relly on his hierro, that's why he allocate more reiatsu into it and Barragan make others slower.



Not, if they are super fast.



No, he didn't.



From the above. Some of them don't relly on speed.



He did outpcace him two times.

Lol no Yama shikai flames is the strongest thing he has next to bankai..I don't know why you think that he's as strong as his shikai with just hakudo an kido an stuff.

Yea if he went against Yama with his flames but without flames Yama is at a disadvantage..even aizen stated that..an you stated ks was not being used on Yama why state that if you don't have proof?

Yea but like I stated aizen was not hurt,even after ichigo attack he was barely hurt..manga proves it he don't heal after being hit by Yama attack but after ichigo's.

Lol what it increases his speed if course his shunpo is faster thats common sense lol smh.

But you said they all get faster lol stop making stuff up.

Well Starks raw speed is not that fast to the point he just escape from ichigo sight like that he clearly uses sonido.

Yes he did an he knew it.

So they were supposed to still get faster

yea he outpaced the petals two times not Byakuya that's fighting himself with a sword.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

1. Because zanp. is mirror of user soul.

2. He is in disadvantage because he sealed his zanp. that doesn't mean that Yama will be weaker than him. On the contrary, you can see expresion Aizen made when Yama grab his leg, not to mention that Aizen pissed his panths from half dead Yamamoto.

3. Actually, you can see screatchs on Aizen after being hit by Yama and after that they were missing.

4. No, because one still can have speed, but not knowing shunpo. Don't exist shunpo type zanp., Ichigo had speed even before he learned shunpo.

5. They will not get faster, if they allocate their reiatsu on hierro or other stuffs.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

1. Because zanp. is mirror of user soul.

2. He is in disadvantage because he sealed his zanp. that doesn't mean that Yama will be weaker than him. On the contrary, you can see expresion Aizen made when Yama grab his leg, not to mention that Aizen pissed his panths from half dead Yamamoto.

3. Actually, you can see screatchs on Aizen after being hit by Yama and after that they were missing.

4. No, because one still can have speed, but not knowing shunpo. Don't exist shunpo type zanp., Ichigo had speed even before he learned shunpo.

5. They will not get faster, if they allocate their reiatsu on hierro or other stuffs.

1.What so without his zanpacto he's still the same strong as when he has it?..lol you say some dumb stuff.

2.Yea his zan is sealed he don't have the fire power to beat ks anymore...aizen was just surprised that blast meant nothing it was just an failed opening for ichigo.

3.Lol what? Cuz that blast was weak that's why.

4.Ichigo had what speed before he learned shunpo?...what fast soul reaper in the show don't know shunpo?

5.What where's the proof of this?

 

[Forbidden Tale]

1. It's not that it's dumb, it is just that you jump too fast and make an asumption. Base Yamamoto (1) + Ryujin Jakka (1) = 2

2. As I said Aizen was hurt and just impression he made, after Yama used that attack, show that it could probably kill him if Yama was healthy.

3. No, because Aizen had Hogyoku. If weak attack hurt you, at least a little, you still will have scratches.

4. Zaraki, Ichigo, Unohana (last is not really good at it). You see Ichigo using his speed (Before he learned it, against Renji).

5. No need for proof, it's calling logic. If you allocate your abilities or talent on something more than the other. You will be better on that "something" than in that "other".

 

[kotoamatsukami]

1. It's not that it's dumb, it is just that you jump too fast and make an asumption. Base Yamamoto (1) + Ryujin Jakka (1) = 2

2. As I said Aizen was hurt and just impression he made, after Yama used that attack, show that it could probably kill him if Yama was healthy.

3. No, because Aizen had Hogyoku. If weak attack hurt you, at least a little, you still will have scratches.

4. Zaraki, Ichigo, Unohana (last is not really good at it). You see Ichigo using his speed (Before he learned it, against Renji).

5. No need for proof, it's calling logic. If you allocate your abilities or talent on something more than the other. You will be better on that "something" than in that "other".

What? Yet again you talking weird...Yama without zan<<Yama with zan....ryujinjaka>>>Yama

Lol no aizen won't hurt period an that you can tell that attack was a mega fail if he hoped that it would even come close to killing aizen..an you have no proof that the attack was weakened.

Lol why he gotta have scratches? Cuz you say so?...like I said that blast was weak did not even come close to hurting aizen foreal.

Zaraki is fast?,wat captain is he on par with in speed?.....ichigo has shunpo so what you mean?....didn't unohana use shunpo when she an her lieutenant walked in on aizen when he was fighting hitsugiya?..if not then she has no speed feats then how do we even know she's fast?..like I said what speed from ichigo?

What but you stated they all get faster now they don't lol?...but ok I'll let you slide on this one I guess.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Oh, maaaaann. Let's just agree to disagree.