Strongest Descendants Of Hagormo: Senju or Uchiha

[FuriouslAngel]

How can i make things right?????

I dont know, do you have something in mind?

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Madara would never have the rinnegan without Hashirama's tissue same with Sasuke. And both madara, tobi, and sasuke would never have six path chakra without those senju cells.
Naruto would never have Rsm without being given biju power and Ginkaku/Kinkaku would never have biju levels of chakra without consuming pieces of the nine tails organs.

There's borrowing on both sides so Op is trying to keep the match as seen during their introduction and whatever is part of their arsenal fro a good amount of time.

When was Sasuke given Hashirama tissue?

 

[Char Aznable]

When was Sasuke given Hashirama tissue?

Bruh...

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[Rikudou Tobi]

One thing brate... Sasuke got his Sharinnegan from Hagoromo and not because of the Senju DNA.

same as how Naruto got RMS from Hagoromo as well... your point?

Sasuke got the rinnegan because he awakened it as well as Naruto gaining Rsm because of the biju chakra he collected. Hagoromoo gave them nothing but six path shadow and six path light seals.

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Hagormoo didn't reach into his pocket and pull out an extra rinnegan or pull out some senjutsu to dowse on Naruto. He's a ghost with limited amount of chakra, he can't give anybody any rinnegan or Rsm.

And you've already seen my point. Nagato was introduced with a rinnegan and fought with it just as much as Tobi was introduced with hashirama tissue. That's Op's rule.

 

[FuriouslAngel]

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That's just healing based on Senju DNA .... as stated in manga.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

When was Sasuke given Hashirama tissue?

Are you stupid?

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[Char Aznable]

Sasuke got the rinnegan because he awakened it as well as Naruto gaining Rsm because of the biju chakra he collected. Hagoromoo gave them nothing but six path shadow and six path light seals.

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Hagormoo didn't reach into his pocket and pull out an extra rinnegan or pull out some senjutsu to dowse on Naruto. He's a ghost with limited amount of chakra, he can't give anybody any rinnegan or Rsm.

And you've already seen my point. Nagato was introduced with a rinnegan and fought with it just as much as Tobi was introduced with hashirama tissue. That's Op's rule.

Everything you said, plus Sasuke. If you take away Nagato having Rinnegan, you have to take away Sasuke getting Itachi's Mangekyou, which gave Sasuke EMS, which is needed for Rinnegan. If we played it by FuriousAngel's rules, the highest Sasuke I could put would be Taka Sasuke, and that's boring.

 

[FuriouslAngel]

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Sasuke got the rinnegan because he awakened it as well as Naruto gaining Rsm because of the biju chakra he collected. Hagoromoo gave them nothing but six path shadow and six path light seals.

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Hagormoo didn't reach into his pocket and pull out an extra rinnegan or pull out some senjutsu to dowse on Naruto. He's a ghost with limited amount of chakra, he can't give anybody any rinnegan or Rsm.

And you've already seen my point. Nagato was introduced with a rinnegan and fought with it just as much as Tobi was introduced with hashirama tissue. That's Op's rule.

So, now you're saying that Hagoromo didnt grant them power ups? ....

And As far as i remember , while Sasuke talking to Hagoromo he didnt have his Sharinnegan.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

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That was just to keep him alive. What actually resulted in his awakening of his Rinnegan was Hagoromo's bestowal of half of his power. Naruto acquired RSM in the same manner, being bestowed half of Hagoromo's power.

 

[Char Aznable]

That's just healing based on Senju DNA .... as stated in manga.

That was just to keep him alive. What actually resulted in his awakening of his Rinnegan was Hagoromo's bestowal of half of his power. Naruto acquired RSM in the same manner, being bestowed half of Hagoromo's power.

Which is the same thing Madara did to awaken the Rinnegan. It just took decades for it to show up. Hagormo sped up the process when Sasuke took half his power.

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[Rikudou Tobi]

So, now you're saying that Hagoromo didnt grant them power ups? ....

I'm saying whatever you see here is what Hagormoo gave them. Sasuke couldn't get anymore clear than what he said. All other things besides what Sasuke specifically stated in the manga is just a fanfic theory. So read the words I underlined.

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And As far as i remember , while Sasuke talking to Hagoromo he didnt have his Sharinnegan.

1. It's a rinnegan, the manga said it as a rinnegan more than 10 times already.
2. That has nothing to do with anything. Sasuke didn't have his eternal mangekyo sharingan in that limbo space either, so what's your point?

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Sasuke got the rinnegan because he awakened it as well as Naruto gaining Rsm because of the biju chakra he collected. Hagoromoo gave them nothing but six path shadow and six path light seals.

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Hagormoo didn't reach into his pocket and pull out an extra rinnegan or pull out some senjutsu to dowse on Naruto. He's a ghost with limited amount of chakra, he can't give anybody any rinnegan or Rsm.

No one said he pulled out a Rinnegan or Senjutsu 'out of his pockets'. Hagoromo gave them half of his power, meaning his Yin power and Yang power, which he distributed accordingly. The seals weren't necessarily power, they were just to seal Kaguya.

And you've already seen my point. Nagato was introduced with a rinnegan and fought with it just as much as Tobi was introduced with hashirama tissue. That's Op's rule.

Point remains the Rinnegan wasn't his from the outset. Regardless, the Uchiha side is still superior in power. Shisui alone wrecks. KA on Naruto is enough to collapse the whole team.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Which is the same thing Madara did to awaken the Rinnegan. It just took decades for it to show up. Hagormo sped up the process when Sasuke took half his power.

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Sasuke's rinnegan is different and he doesn't have yang release(what you get from hashi cells the necessary halt to awaken the rinnegan). His rinnegan is directly from Hogaromo amplifying his yin potency. It's also 1 of the reasons why he still retains his tomeo and can cast Genjutsu from it. Hashi cells play no part in it(the rinnegan) but they do save his life via healing power.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Which is the same thing Madara did to awaken the Rinnegan. It just took decades for it to show up. Hagormo sped up the process when Sasuke took half his power.

Post scan. :kk:

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Hashirama is Hagoromo's descendant, not the other way around. Thus Hagoromo's power should be more potent and more capable of transforming an Uchiha's eye. Especially a Sharinnegan.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

I'm saying whatever you see here is what Hagormoo gave them. Sasuke couldn't get anymore clear than what he said. All other things besides what Sasuke specifically stated in the manga is just a fanfic theory. So read the words I underlined.

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1. It's a rinnegan, the manga said it as a rinnegan more than 10 times already.
2. That has nothing to do with anything. Sasuke didn't have his eternal mangekyo sharingan in that limbo space either, so what's your point?

The doujutsu awakens forcibly when it does. :kk:

 

[To Whatever]

its pretty obvious its senju..

which retards are arguing for the uchiha?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

No one said he pulled out a Rinnegan or Senjutsu 'out of his pockets'. Hagoromo gave them half of his power, meaning his Yin power and Yang power, which he distributed accordingly. The seals weren't necessarily power, they were just to seal Kaguya.

Like I said before. Read what the manga says. Sasuke said Hagoromoo gave them Six path shadow power and Six path light power on the palm of their hand. We see the yin power crescent on his hand literally. Yin power awakening te rinnegan doesn't make any sense because it's impossible. You need both the power of Indra and Ashura to bring out that Hagoromoo chakra and Ashura doesn't have yin power. Yin power is just a sharingan, the more yin power you get the further your sharingan grows. Once you gain the yang side, that's when it changes to a rinnegan.

Point remains the Rinnegan wasn't his to from the outset. Regardless, the Uchiha side is still superior in power. Shisui alone wrecks. KA on Naruto is enough to collapse the whole team.

I said the Uchihas win already so I don't see why you're arguing with me. The rinnegan however is his, Hagoromoo gave him yin power in his hands the rinnegan had nothing to do with it.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Like I said before. Read what the manga says. Sasuke said Hagoromoo gave them Six path shadow power and Six path light power on the palm of their hand. We see the yin power crescent on his hand literally. Yin power awakening te rinnegan doesn't make any sense because it's impossible. You need both the power of Indra and Ashura to bring out that Hagoromoo chakra and Ashura doesn't have yin power. Yin power is just a sharingan, the more yin power you get the further your sharingan grows. Once you gain the yang side, that's when it changes to a rinnegan.

I said the Uchihas win already so I don't see why you're arguing with me. The rinnegan however is his, Hagoromoo gave him yin power in his hands the rinnegan had nothing to do with it.

You put it as if Hagoromo's power is inferior to Hashirama's, as if Hashirama is the prerequisite to awakening the Rinnegan when he's merely a Senju who inherited a fragment of Hagoromo's power.

Plus it's common knowledge that Sasuke awakened his Rinnegan shortly after receiving Hagoromo's power. I don't get why you feel the need to twist that up now.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

You put it as if Hagoromo's power is inferior to Hashirama, as if Hashirama is the prerequisite to awakening the Rinnegan when he's merely a Senju who inherited a fragment of Hagoromo's power.

Hashirama's power is just a part of Hagoromoo's powers. In order to gain the rinnegan you still need Hagoromoo's yang half, you cannot do it with yin alone. I never said you needed hashirmama's chakra or power, I just said you need Ashura which is Hagormoo's yang half. And the only way to get closer to Ashura is through his reincarnates or descendants is through senju since the Senjus inherit the yang energy of Hagoromoo.

Plus it's common knowledge that Sasuke awakened his Rinnegan shortly after receiving Hagoromo's power. I don't get why you feel the need to twist that up now.

No, it's a stupid speculation that was never said in the manga so you made up the idea that it is common knowledge. Common knowledge is that Sasuke was given six path shadow from Hagoromoo while Ashura's chakra was responsible for him awakening the rinnegan. The fact that you cannot summon Hagoromoo without six path powers is common sense too.

 

[KidGamer65]

Six Path Powers are Uchiha + Senju, thus all are discounted from both sides. Thus no Rinnegan Madara, Nagato is excluded since his powers are almost exclusively from the Rinnegan, no Rinnegan Sasuke and no Hashirama DNA buffs. And of course no Juubi Jins.

That leaves the Senju as the obvious choice. Hashirama is far stronger than any Uchiha on his lonesome. Naruto is far stronger than any Uchiha besides Sasuke and Madara and he can share chakra with the rest of his comrades. The only way Uchiha are superior is if you count Uchiha who have gained Senju's power, which is stupid because it defeats the purpose of the thread.