Strongest Akatsuki member Neji & Sakura can take out?
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First, again we are discussing about the fight that has never been occured before, so if you are asking for manga fact of the fight, you are just delusional and you just destroy all your statement back then by your own word lol.
Second, all the small details has happened in the manga. So my theories still stand. Just because you think that does not favour your statement doesnt mean it is not happened before.
Third, the common knowlegde in NV is that hype today get destroyed by hype from tomorow. Like sealing something for eternal and then by simple spell the victim got freed or absolute defense get destroyed in next second. Same can be apply to "immortal", just because no one found a way to kill Hidan for good now doesnt mean he is unkillable. Even the most absolute rule for Jinchuriki is broken by Bee.
Fourth the moment you spew out the anime version that shared same chapter as manga is not canon mean you have lost your most credibility to debate, since major statement that you have been spew out from the begining til now is based on many source that is not found within the manga.
So please watch out and re read your own words before you post. I will give you second chance
MAN OF SIN
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That doesn't have to do with anything here, if you think because the fight never took place you can go against the manga and assume there is a way to stop Hidan's immortality you are delusional, that was never hinted in any scenario, with or without Neji or any Hyuuga.
Small details? A weakness that you can't prove it exists is a small detail? A small detail Neji conveniently depend on to win this fight.... A small detail that no one ever though or consider in the manga, and if it's not there, It doesn't exist.
It is if the manga didn't provide the way to do it, it can be defeated, It wasn't proved he can be killed and even if he could you still have to figure out how, and It is not up to you or me or anyone else that Kishi to determine that.
I don't care what rules were broken, because a bunch of hypes fell apart by the end of the manga doesn't mean all the rules and the statements and the facts should fall too, that's stupid.
hahahahaha So I lost credibility for rejecting anime as a solid proof, huh? I only consider canon the manga and other official material written by Kishi, such as the Databooks, and I have not used any other source. I did used an statement I found in Narutopedia about Hidan's immortality which they took from Databook 3.
Personally, I think taking information and using events and feats from non canon sources like anime, filler or movies, is a very desperate resource. You are the one loosing credibility here...
I didn't make any mistakes, keep your chance to yourself, you are already loosing them on anime feats and speculationSo please watch out and re read your own words before you post. I will give you second chance
Well first of all - manga fact is based on what happened in the main story which is the manga. Anything that is not found within the manga can not be called manga fact.That doesn't have to do with anything here, if you think because the fight never took place you can go against the manga and assume there is a way to stop Hidan's immortality you are delusional, that was never hinted in any scenario, with or without Neji or any Hyuuga.
Small details? A weakness that you can't prove it exists is a small detail? A small detail Neji conveniently depend on to win this fight.... A small detail that no one ever though or consider in the manga, and if it's not there, It doesn't exist.
It is if the manga didn't provide the way to do it, it can be defeated, It wasn't proved he can be killed and even if he could you still have to figure out how, and It is not up to you or me or anyone else that Kishi to determine that.
I don't care what rules were broken, because a bunch of hypes fell apart by the end of the manga doesn't mean all the rules and the statements and the facts should fall too, that's stupid.
hahahahaha So I lost credibility for rejecting anime as a solid proof, huh? I only consider canon the manga and other official material written by Kishi, such as the Databooks, and I have not used any other source. I did used an statement I found in Narutopedia about Hidan's immortality which they took from Databook 3.
Personally, I think taking information and using events and feats from non canon sources like anime, filler or movies, is a very desperate resource. You are the one loosing credibility here...
I didn't make any mistakes, keep your chance to yourself, you are already loosing them on anime feats and speculation
The Naruto series is made by a big organization include Kishi himself, they decide which is canon material and which is not. So by the end of the day everything you have said is invalid and has no impact on this matter.
You can even call your own statement is based on data book fact, but you can never call it manga fact - simple it is not part of the manga - the main story.
But if you agree to use something other than the manga in the name of canon material then the anime version that based on the main story (excludes fillers) and got approved by Kishi - is also count.
There are big&strong community out there and our common knowlegde about when is canon and when is filler. You really need to learn that before spew out BS.
You keep saying that it was never hinted in Hidan case when there are dozen case & logic of NV can be traced back to Hidan case (that i have mentioned in older post). So stop spewing out BS as "you say this and it has to follow your rule". Let me remind that you and i are nothin to claim anything, just because you and i felt so. Everything has to follow the logic of NV & logic is explained by happened events.
Just one simple and easy example for you so you dont spew out nonsense any more. You keep saying Hidan is immortal and no way to kill him right ? What is Jinton then ? If there is no Hidan on earth but atom in different form or would ashes of some one count as they are alive ????????????????????????????????????????
Obliterate
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Sakura is too slow to defeat Deidara, Kisame would curb stomp Sakura and there is no way Sakura is getting through the Kazekage puppet that Sasori has.
hahahahahha What are you talking about kid? When did Kishi ever start saying "this anime filler is canon, this movie isn't etc". Canon is a fanmade term we use to determine which content we consider official and linked to the manga storyline, and of course, always is written or created by the author. This is the definition I follow, since it's a fanmade term, you could disagree, if you want to follow the work of somebody else that Kishi blindly approved, it's fine by me, but I won't considere it canon the work Kishi "supervise" or "is involved with" if he personally doesn't confirm he actually worked on that project.
The manga, and the Databooks are canon, The Last and Boruto may be canon too for some people, I really don't mind... But Anime, Fillers, Movies, Novels, and games, are not.
As I said, that's me, if you think they should be taken into account, go debating somebody else who thinks like you.
Isn't filler if they tell the same story from the manga with other non canon details? That Neji feat you claim, do you consider canon since it wasn't shown in the manga?
hahaha Really? Ask them about that kind of things and then tell me
. They usually are really strict.That is my opinion, I am not changing the my opinion about you are inventing a weakness with a feat Byakugan wasn't proved to have. I know the logic of NV and I THINK you are overexploiting it with uncanon feats and speculation. Byakugan has failed before, it cannot see everything, it failed to detect a clone from the real Naruto, It failed to see Naruto's Kyuubi seal, It failed to see Kidoumaru's armor while he received 64 palms, It failed to see Kisame's water clone trap, It failed to see the Zetsu that caught Neji from behind, It failed to see the rock Hinata's hilariously tripped on, It failed to see Sakura from above in time. That's the times I can remember, It can fail again, it has appear very few times in the manga and there is quite a number of fails.
So you entire argument is depending on this technique, that is not perfect, and you don't even know if there is something to analyze with it, if there is something that can be detected to work on Neji's favour.
In my opinion, it's too much to speculate, but go ahead, I am not trying to convince you, just defending my point.
That could be a way, he was cut, he was burned, I think Jinton may work, too bad this isn't a Hidan vs Tsuchikage, right?
You wouldn't have lost that one
Took you are few days to come up with thing that coming out from your mouth but nothin to back you up ?hahahahahha What are you talking about kid? When did Kishi ever start saying "this anime filler is canon, this movie isn't etc". Canon is a fanmade term we use to determine which content we consider official and linked to the manga storyline, and of course, always is written or created by the author. This is the definition I follow, since it's a fanmade term, you could disagree, if you want to follow the work of somebody else that Kishi blindly approved, it's fine by me, but I won't considere it canon the work Kishi "supervise" or "is involved with" if he personally doesn't confirm he actually worked on that project.
The manga, and the Databooks are canon, The Last and Boruto may be canon too for some people, I really don't mind... But Anime, Fillers, Movies, Novels, and games, are not.
As I said, that's me, if you think they should be taken into account, go debating somebody else who thinks like you.
Isn't filler if they tell the same story from the manga with other non canon details? That Neji feat you claim, do you consider canon since it wasn't shown in the manga?
hahaha Really? Ask them about that kind of things and then tell me
That is my opinion, I am not changing the my opinion about you are inventing a weakness with a feat Byakugan wasn't proved to have. I know the logic of NV and I THINK you are overexploiting it with uncanon feats and speculation. Byakugan has failed before, it cannot see everything, it failed to detect a clone from the real Naruto, It failed to see Naruto's Kyuubi seal, It failed to see Kidoumaru's armor while he received 64 palms, It failed to see Kisame's water clone trap, It failed to see the Zetsu that caught Neji from behind, It failed to see the rock Hinata's hilariously tripped on, It failed to see Sakura from above in time. That's the times I can remember, It can fail again, it has appear very few times in the manga and there is quite a number of fails.
So you entire argument is depending on this technique, that is not perfect, and you don't even know if there is something to analyze with it, if there is something that can be detected to work on Neji's favour.
In my opinion, it's too much to speculate, but go ahead, I am not trying to convince you, just defending my point.
That could be a way, he was cut, he was burned, I think Jinton may work, too bad this isn't a Hidan vs Tsuchikage, right?
You wouldn't have lost that one
The real story begin and ended in the manga.
Lets me say it again to your brain :the real story begin and ended in the manga.
What happened outside of it is irrevelant to the arguement when you decided YOURSELF to not follow the canon material that Kishi approved. You can call your hyperbook = hyper fact whatsoever. In the end it is only for fan service same to anime, movie, filler, novel.....
Also about Hidan weakness, good job at trying to hide the fact that you have claimed that he is unkillable under whatsover circumstance, now you say otherwise since i brought up jinton as the undeniable evident how to kill the so called "immortal" that you have blabbing for many posts.
This tell me that you just have narrow mind who not look at the fact, the main problem but only claim anything that benefits your arguement and cover anything that against you.
You see here that i dont cover up anything, if you want to use anything outside of the manga, it is ok for me, i also use canon source. Since the data book elaborate on short matter that missing some depth to it, anime do the same and even less than databook ( not talking about filler here or novel).
Also one of databook page say that vaccum air palm needs Byakugan to detect the chakra wave, where it is coming from to disrupt the flow......
Awww were you missing me? I have a full time job and a career, I don't have the time of the world to practice my english debating manga stuff with kids.
That's your opinion, Databooks are fact, are Kishi's word and a piece of his work, that's how I see it, and that's why I consider it canon, of course you can deny it and continue calling Anime feats if you feel like it
I said it's impossible to stop or disrupt his immortality just because you think Byakugan may be able to see how it function, and how it can be stopped. Yes, I said he was immortal and I said Kishi is the only one who can determine how can he be killed. We never really talked about Jinton, or Youton, or other flashy offensive jutsus, I didn't think it was necessary, we are talking about Neji here... He can't do any of that... But yeah, I guess those techniques might work on him... Happy? There is a big difference between immortality and invulnerability.
But the anime is not fully written by Kishi, even in a canon arc, if anything goes apart from the manga, I wouldn't consider it canon. Again, that's me, you do whatever you please.
Are you talking about my signature? It's hilarious because Gentle Fist cannot even affect seals if its chakra is not flowing on one's chakra flow. And air palm only push and damage the target "vital spots", but not that much, 30% clone Kisame tank it and made it perfectly fine.
Here is the page, I dare you to find where it says what you claim:
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Once again, you dont even have any proof that you have a full time job and career. Everything you have said until now is just based on your own fantasy. There is no proof at all.Awww were you missing me? I have a full time job and a career, I don't have the time of the world to practice my english debating manga stuff with kids.
That's your opinion, Databooks are fact, are Kishi's word and a piece of his work, that's how I see it, and that's why I consider it canon, of course you can deny it and continue calling Anime feats if you feel like it
I said it's impossible to stop or disrupt his immortality just because you think Byakugan may be able to see how it function, and how it can be stopped. Yes, I said he was immortal and I said Kishi is the only one who can determine how can he be killed. We never really talked about Jinton, or Youton, or other flashy offensive jutsus, I didn't think it was necessary, we are talking about Neji here... He can't do any of that... But yeah, I guess those techniques might work on him... Happy? There is a big difference between immortality and invulnerability.
But the anime is not fully written by Kishi, even in a canon arc, if anything goes apart from the manga, I wouldn't consider it canon. Again, that's me, you do whatever you please.
Are you talking about my signature? It's hilarious because Gentle Fist cannot even affect seals if its chakra is not flowing on one's chakra flow. And air palm only push and damage the target "vital spots", but not that much, 30% clone Kisame tank it and made it perfectly fine.
Here is the page, I dare you to find where it says what you claim:
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What Kishi write behind the story or when he is not working on the manga is not even considered part of the manga. If he want it to be part of the manga then it should be includes inside the story, not just an explanation for fan service.
So your claim is worthless, since you can not prove that Data book is part of the manga. Some thing like this :
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So let me tell you again, your opinion is invalid, since the obivious fact is that Databook is not inside the manga.
If you want to use any source outside than the manga as canon material, then all source that follow the manga that has been approved by Kishi is counted as canon material. You have no say in this matter to that fact other than your self. Just like 1+1=2, if you want it to be 3 then keep it to yourself lolz. Fact is fact, not your self claimed opinion.
And about the immortal arguement, if you claim it then you have to take your own failure, not trying to make yourself looks good as if you still right about that despite of being wrong.
Even if excludes all the source outside of the manga, you still lose on this point. Just like i have been explained from the begining.
Byakugan can see chakra flow from within the body and allow the user to use their gentle fist to block all the tenketsu from the enemy and prevent them from using chakra or perform any jutsu. So there is nothin left for Hidan to use, cause he is just useless with body that "never" rot.
that is kinda stupid question. Without chakra what you gonna do ?
Split out chunk of your filthy blood on the ground for what ?
All ritual in NV has been activated by chakra otherwise it will just a wall of text or symbol with nothin behind...
