[VS] StrawHats vs Revs
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Hard to gauge since we haven't seen Kuma since he stomped all over the whole crew. Twice, more or less. Would like to think the SH's 2 heavy hitters(after the cap't obviously) would do well but given all we know Kuma is beyond them each 1v1 and with Ivan taking away the ability to double team, even if only briefly, I'd say the Revs would squeak out a victory. Again hard to know with no real way to gauge Kuma currently.
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Kuma solos .... (I'm assuming wjth a brain)
Also neither zoro or Sanji should be stronger then sanji's teacher that taught him during the timeskip ...
Also neither zoro or Sanji should be stronger then sanji's teacher that taught him during the timeskip ...
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Lol. How is someone like Ivankov going to beat Zoro and Sanji together? Ivankov couldn't even put a dent on Kuma when they fought.
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I would imagine that this would go to the Revs.
I don't see Sanji having surpassed Ivankov yet, especially after he laughed at Sanji's signature technique and toyed with him pre-timeskip. And I also dont see Zoro having surpassed Bartholemew Kuma (In Control) yet. Kuma played with the strawhats twice pre-timeskip. During the marineford arc it was hinted that Ivankov and Kuma were close to eqaul (with possibly Ivankov being slightly stronger), so Im gonna give it to the Queen and Cyborg, because I still dont see the SH's having surpassed them yet.
I don't see Sanji having surpassed Ivankov yet, especially after he laughed at Sanji's signature technique and toyed with him pre-timeskip. And I also dont see Zoro having surpassed Bartholemew Kuma (In Control) yet. Kuma played with the strawhats twice pre-timeskip. During the marineford arc it was hinted that Ivankov and Kuma were close to eqaul (with possibly Ivankov being slightly stronger), so Im gonna give it to the Queen and Cyborg, because I still dont see the SH's having surpassed them yet.
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Kuma isn't even the problem here, I still think that they could individually beat him but ivankov is kinda tricky. He tanked magellans Posion with no diff and it was heavily hinted that he is one of the major palyers in the RV which is quite good for his potrayal. Plus he stomped sanji with no diff pre-skip(who was extremely close to zoro), zoro nor sanji should be at the level where they could beat him comfortably (perhaps extreme).
I'd still give it sanji and zoro though, seeing as how they're being prepared for kaido's calamities(which in all fairness should be stronger than ivankov)
I'd still give it sanji and zoro though, seeing as how they're being prepared for kaido's calamities(which in all fairness should be stronger than ivankov)
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This is a terrible reason. Sanji or Zoro could beat the Pre-TS SHs no diff just like Kuma did.
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I really hate these fanboys wtf has zoro done to put him over Kuma ??????? Sanji while he is fast there is no way he's faster then someone who can easily slap his chest and disappear
Kuma is literally a one shot person neither have full body haki until shown....
Like seriously
And Ivankov has tanked everything thrown at him bar akainu magma someone who deflected Marco and vista at same time
The two hands of luffys crew are not at that level yet
What is stopping Kuma from teleporting and tagging one of them
What has zoro or Sanji shown that is on the level of an akainu lava attack
While we haven't seen either of them post time skip and we r talking about Kuma with a brain there is no way in hell that
Sanji and zoro should be above the one who taught Sanji for 2 years ... He is suppose to be Sanji mentor if this is indeed true there was no reason for oda to have Sanji trained by him in the first place
Kuma is literally a one shot person neither have full body haki until shown....
Like seriously
And Ivankov has tanked everything thrown at him bar akainu magma someone who deflected Marco and vista at same time
The two hands of luffys crew are not at that level yet
What is stopping Kuma from teleporting and tagging one of them
What has zoro or Sanji shown that is on the level of an akainu lava attack
While we haven't seen either of them post time skip and we r talking about Kuma with a brain there is no way in hell that
Sanji and zoro should be above the one who taught Sanji for 2 years ... He is suppose to be Sanji mentor if this is indeed true there was no reason for oda to have Sanji trained by him in the first place
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There is no reason or feat that puts zoro or Sanji above the likes of Kuma or ivankov
If that is the case is luffy above reighlgh
Or zoro above mihawk
And before u say they r not in same league in well aware of this but there would literally be no reason for ivankov to teach Sanji anything if he was that weak to begin with
That in itself would be bad writing to have the third main fighter taught for no reason
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I agree with you on that point that Sanji and Zoro are stronger than the pre-timeskip crew.
However, I do not think that Sanji has surpassed Ivankov in strength yet, especially after seeing the gap in their power pre time skip. I also dont see zoro having surpassed kuma in strength yet, let alone speed (Which kuma outclasses them both in badly). Ivankov alone was shown to be a versatile tank, able to not only use a versatile arsenal but also surviving attacks that would have killed any other character. His speed is also insane being fast enought to create multiple after-images of himself and in the anime (vs megellan) showed reaction feats on par with gear 2 luffy.
Kuma also has some serious speed advantages over the SH Dou and though they are closer to Kuma than they were pre-timeskip there is still a huge difference in strength. Kuma could destroy islands with a single attack and one hit KO Giants. Also, In CQC if Ivankov touches either one of them once and pumps them with hornones its game over.
With Ivankov and Kuma together I don't see Zoro and Sanji winning. Separately, yes I do think they (Zoro+Sanji) could take down Kuma, and possibly Ivankov with High or extreme difficulty, but together(Kuma+Iva) they are too much.
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Uzumaki Macho
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There is no feat that puts Kuma or Iva above Zoro and Sanji. Ivankov didnt train Sanji. Sanji got his training from constantly running away from okamas and defeating the 99 okama masters.
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1. A half dead Zoro dodged ALL of Brain Kuma's pad cannons including the ones that caught him off guard. A half dead Zoro was also fast enough to land a clean sneak attack on Kuma. He was also a pest to Ivankov and couldn't even pressure the okama.
2. Ivankov destroyed Pre-TS Sanji while playing around. He even purposely took a DJ kick to the face and it did nothing. Seeing how Sanji & Zoro are on the same level, I don't see how they can be so easily stronger currently.
3. Ivankov had the strength to hold off Akainu by himself(and walk away with no damage). The only other person who was capable of doing that was Marco. If Zoro 0r Sanji tried to hold of Akainu even together, they'd get one shotted.
2. Ivankov destroyed Pre-TS Sanji while playing around. He even purposely took a DJ kick to the face and it did nothing. Seeing how Sanji & Zoro are on the same level, I don't see how they can be so easily stronger currently.
3. Ivankov had the strength to hold off Akainu by himself(and walk away with no damage). The only other person who was capable of doing that was Marco. If Zoro 0r Sanji tried to hold of Akainu even together, they'd get one shotted.