I wish people would stop with the vs thread dealing with minato harishima and hiruzen. Its just no point of arguing with somebody about them when we haven't seen much of any of them. The only fighting we've seen from minato is when he fought tobi. The only fighting we've seen from harashima is a 3min video from when he fought madara. The only fight we've seen from Hiruzen is when he fought orochimaru and he was old as hell. The point Im tryna make is that we haven't really seen enough to judge who would win against one another. All we can go by is feats from what the databook and magna tells/shows us.