Stop the Naruto manga ASAP!
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In fact I do.
The problem with the majority of people is that they can't see any further than the obvious and because of that they easily label characters as "evil" or "good" before realising that a human is a far more compicated living being that an one dimensional personality.
Everyone presents Obito as if he suddenly wants to become BFF with everyone. That's not true. Obito had his ideals twisted by Madara at a young age and because of his great pain he endured, he tried to find a solution to an utopy in which he thought that he would be happy. Also, what Obito's experience had showed him till before his fight with Naruto is that people can succumb easily to their pain. Such an example is nagato. He as well was manipulated and he as well was driven into doing similar things. Point is that after obito saw that there is another way, he started to have his doubts and that's why he lost in the end.
He didn't have anymore his will power. It's not stupid things such talk no jutsu or don't know what. It's a pain of loneliness that you might try hard to cover or to hide but at the end of the day it's always there. The fact that he became "good" is nothing more than accepting his defeat and trying to reach peace in a different way. After all, whatever Obito might have done, his aim was to achieve a worldwide peace. His aim hasn't changed, only the method of achieving it has. Yet, very few understand this.
The problem with the majority of people is that they can't see any further than the obvious and because of that they easily label characters as "evil" or "good" before realising that a human is a far more compicated living being that an one dimensional personality.
Everyone presents Obito as if he suddenly wants to become BFF with everyone. That's not true. Obito had his ideals twisted by Madara at a young age and because of his great pain he endured, he tried to find a solution to an utopy in which he thought that he would be happy. Also, what Obito's experience had showed him till before his fight with Naruto is that people can succumb easily to their pain. Such an example is nagato. He as well was manipulated and he as well was driven into doing similar things. Point is that after obito saw that there is another way, he started to have his doubts and that's why he lost in the end.
He didn't have anymore his will power. It's not stupid things such talk no jutsu or don't know what. It's a pain of loneliness that you might try hard to cover or to hide but at the end of the day it's always there. The fact that he became "good" is nothing more than accepting his defeat and trying to reach peace in a different way. After all, whatever Obito might have done, his aim was to achieve a worldwide peace. His aim hasn't changed, only the method of achieving it has. Yet, very few understand this.
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The problem is that this whole war arc has been going on for too long now, according to the Manga itself it started during Chapter 515 and we're already at Chapter 666.
666-515=151
151 Chapters of War Arc, a Chapter is released once a week a year lasts for 52 weeks.
151/52=2.9
Two years and nine months that's how long it has been.
Not to mention all the breaks that we had until now, if you summarize those you'd probably get 2-3 Months without Manga.
In other words the War has been going on for almost three years (especially inside Kishi's head), I sort of understand why Kishi is rushing things.
If I were doing something like that I'd probably lose my patience after a while and rush things too just to get it over with and be able to concentrate more on other things.
The Manga felt way different before the war started, we had "short" Arcs, the Akatsuki, Character development, deaths that had an impact as well as a few good mysterys to think about.
Such as the power that Itachi gave to Naruto (Koto Amatsukami), who's in the coffin (Uchiha Madara), who's the Masked Man (Uchiha Obito).
I think those were the most popular ones, well to me they were.
In my opinion I think that the Pains Invasion Arc was the best arc ever, heck I was even happy to see everyone getting Rinne Tensei'd especially Kakashi.
But now it just feels different, dying in NV has no meaning anymore since there are tons of ways to revive someone (I might have exaggarated here)
I'm sorry to all the Neji fans to say this, but killing Neji is the best thing Kishi has done in a long time.
666-515=151
151 Chapters of War Arc, a Chapter is released once a week a year lasts for 52 weeks.
151/52=2.9
Two years and nine months that's how long it has been.
Not to mention all the breaks that we had until now, if you summarize those you'd probably get 2-3 Months without Manga.
In other words the War has been going on for almost three years (especially inside Kishi's head), I sort of understand why Kishi is rushing things.
If I were doing something like that I'd probably lose my patience after a while and rush things too just to get it over with and be able to concentrate more on other things.
The Manga felt way different before the war started, we had "short" Arcs, the Akatsuki, Character development, deaths that had an impact as well as a few good mysterys to think about.
Such as the power that Itachi gave to Naruto (Koto Amatsukami), who's in the coffin (Uchiha Madara), who's the Masked Man (Uchiha Obito).
I think those were the most popular ones, well to me they were.
In my opinion I think that the Pains Invasion Arc was the best arc ever, heck I was even happy to see everyone getting Rinne Tensei'd especially Kakashi.
But now it just feels different, dying in NV has no meaning anymore since there are tons of ways to revive someone (I might have exaggarated here)
I'm sorry to all the Neji fans to say this, but killing Neji is the best thing Kishi has done in a long time.
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Manga is still the same,just the people who changed and started to think it's their manga.
Look at yourself for example. You wouldn't be mad if madara had killed obito,but you are because he got trolled by obito. There were no asspulls,misguided antagonist having a change of heart is happening from the 1st arc of naruto *cough*ZABUZA*cough*. It's one of the many reason why I love NARUTO. Madara too will be having a change of heart. Obito didn't just changed in like 1 chapter,his subconscious past self started to overpower his conscious present self the moment he started facing naruto.
A lot of deep psychological aspect is being involved from the begining of shippuden,which got peaked in obito vs naruto fight. I don't think that kids of age group 16 or below can understand it,so you could say that exceeding the level of mind of targetted age group is KISHI'S one and only fault.
Look at yourself for example. You wouldn't be mad if madara had killed obito,but you are because he got trolled by obito. There were no asspulls,misguided antagonist having a change of heart is happening from the 1st arc of naruto *cough*ZABUZA*cough*. It's one of the many reason why I love NARUTO. Madara too will be having a change of heart. Obito didn't just changed in like 1 chapter,his subconscious past self started to overpower his conscious present self the moment he started facing naruto.
A lot of deep psychological aspect is being involved from the begining of shippuden,which got peaked in obito vs naruto fight. I don't think that kids of age group 16 or below can understand it,so you could say that exceeding the level of mind of targetted age group is KISHI'S one and only fault.
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Most people just have a horrible understanding of their own mind, and don't have a clue how to express what it is thinking.
It's sad, really.
People are upset not because of the sudden changes of character. Those are a little frustrating, but it all stems from the fact that Kishimoto has a horrible time telling a good story.
Why? Because the suspension of disbelief (or suspension of reality) is so horribly out of whack that it's not even funny. Part 2 opened with a race against time. We had to watch the team as they raced across Fire and Wind country to try and save Gaara. Then we see Naruto and Bee make it from Turtle Island to the battlefield roughly the same distance away in a matter of hours. This would be a notable feat, except that everyone else is phasing in and out of existence with time and space being almost infinitely malleable.
Then we see instances of: "Naruto, here is a limitation on your now bullshit abilities."
"Okay, I'm going to encounter that limitation once, then completely ignore it for the rest of the series because friendship."
Which completely undermines the message of the War arc - which is that the unification of people has power greater than any individual. Rather than having Naruto and crew step up to the plate to surpass the previous generation... we revive the Hokage and then send them in to get completely owned by a single character.
At this point - Naruto's victory is completely arbitrary because of the title "Naruto." There is absolutely no suspension of disbelief - Madara isn't a real character that people can really appreciate because he is so mystically powerful. Limits on character endurance and the dynamic interaction of strategies played a huge part in the beginning. Crafty abilities or ploys could surpass brute strength, characters had limits that they took days or weeks to recover from, surgical procedures of enhancement/repair took time to heal and for the user to learn to wield them properly.
Enemies had the ability to be mistaken in the nature and use of techniques, all characters had to balance the weaknesses of their own techniques - the scope of battle and story was far more dynamic. You actually could get a 'feel' for the world of Teenage Mutant Wizard Ninjas.
The war arc just feels too much like Namek.
[video=youtube;SyT25fKbe7U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyT25fKbe7U[/video]
I mean...
How ****ing dead-on is that?
Madara: "Who here is tired of my third form?"
Everyone: "Me."
Tsunade: "I was more a fan of the first."
Minato: "I'd settle on second, really."
Madara: "Final form it is!" *absorbs juubi*
Honestly, the philosophical aspect of Naruto is relatively straight-forward and somewhat narrow.
With one possible exception. Naruto went from being the one who defied destiny (remember the whole Neji battle?) to being the Child of Prophecy.
The Taoist themes in the series are very deep running - the idea that one both has freedom and a destiny is somewhat complicated, as is the idea that everything is connected.
I actually expect Kaguya to be tied into the Hyuuga in some way. The power bestowed upon her was not Ninjutsu - I suspect it was the 'original' Byakugan - the ability to truly be a Taoist master, able to 'jyuuken' the nodes and threads of nature chakra.
But that's another story.
Realistically speaking - Kishimoto is just not all that great at telling a story in a believable manner. He's given in to the "Dragon Ball Z trap" that utilizes increasingly powerful enemies as a cheap means of attempting to build suspense.
Actually - the Namek arc was pretty damned great up until the final show-down with Freiza. That nonsense drug on for too long and was just a never ending sequence of power-ups with barely passing grounds or explanation.
Which is what we are seeing in the current war arc.
Minato shows up with the Kyuubi Cloak.
Was he training inside the RDS? Or what? Why would he -not- use that to save his wife and child? Naruto had to go through all kinds of hooplah that was 'ground-breaking' for both his character and that of the Kyuubi. And Minato just shows up, no explanation, using the perfect Kyuubi Cloak.
Okay, whatever.
Then he uses a perfected Sage mode - Naruto's other major triumph. Again... where the **** was that when he was Hokage? Or did he just so happen to pick that up while dead, too? Are the rest of the dead Kage just slackers? Surely they could have been working on their mojo.
And then he gets on-shot into irrelevance.
"I'm going to have Minato take a dump on the whole notion that the next generation surpasses the previous... to no plot effect. Minato gets perfect sage mode for no damned reason, didn't use it to protect the village, and apparently didn't use the Kyuubi Cloak, either. But it made Madara look more bad-ass, right!?"
Kishimoto just needs to stop rolling in the steaming piles the good idea fairy leaves on his pillow at night.