Stop the delusion there is now a shift in power.

[Mellanoma]

People need to quit with this "Naruto is equal to or stronger than Sasuke" stuff.

Sasuke is now the modern day Sage of the six paths with the most powerful doujutsu in existence.
His potential is unlimited in terms of what he is capable of and Naruto is forever bounded by his tailed beast capabilities.

Another example of this is Hashirama and Madara:

Hashirama was quite the power house during the early-mid era of him and Madara's rivalry. However Madara's Potential far exceeded Hashirama's to the point Madara over shadowed him tremendously.


We are now in the era where Sasuke's potential FAR exceeds Naruto's capacity. Space/Time/Ninjutsu/Genjutsu/Fuinjutsu are all under Sasuke's control and he will further increase his strengths. One could argue Naruto > Sasuke due to (Insert Rasengan variant pumped with lots of chakra) but what good does that do against a dimension shifting God?


Thoughts?

 

[GetsugaTenshou]

"With the power he received from Hagoromo, Naruto has the innate ability to grasp the nature of chakra and comprehend all universal things. He can utilise all five basic nature transformations as well as make perfect use of Yin–Yang Release"

How is he 'bounded by Tailed Beast capabilities?'

 

[Mellanoma]

"With the power he received from Hagoromo, Naruto has the innate ability to grasp the nature of chakra and comprehend all universal things. He can utilise all five basic nature transformations as well as make perfect use of Yin–Yang Release"

How is he 'bounded by Tailed Beast capabilities?'

All of Naruto's abilities with the exception of his Rasengan (created from TBB concept) is an abstract of a tailed beast ability. This is not a bad thing as tailed beast essentially can perform many different abilities. However they are nothing in terms of So6P abilities that Naruto has shown no such feat for. For example if Naruto was as strong as you say then he wouldn't have been completely unaware of the time freeze. Unlike sasuke he perceived it.

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[Darth AniCetuS]

OP: You're the one who is delusional here.....uttahere:

A sage with no sage powers lol.

 

[super michael]

Naruto and Sasuke both received chakra from Hagoromo, but here what it gets different:

Naruto
- Hagoromo chakra which gains RSM
- 1-9 Tailed beast chakra
- 1 whole kurama

Sasuke
- Hagoromo chakra which gains Rinnengan
- Itachi eyes

The power they gained by outside source are not even at all.

 

[Guntah]

All of Naruto's abilities with the exception of his Rasengan (created from TBB concept) is an abstract of a tailed beast ability. This is not a bad thing as tailed beast essentially can perform many different abilities. However they are nothing in terms of So6P abilities that Naruto has shown no such feat for. For example if Naruto was as strong as you say then he wouldn't have been completely unaware of the time freeze. Unlike sasuke he perceived it.

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That doesn't really matter though. Sasuke was still paralyzed, if Momoshiki wanted to walk up to him and stab Sasuke, he would've been able to do just as much as Naruto was. Theoretically, of course, we don't really know how this whole time stop thing even works.

 

[GetsugaTenshou]

All of Naruto's abilities with the exception of his Rasengan (created from TBB concept) is an abstract of a tailed beast ability. This is not a bad thing as tailed beast essentially can perform many different abilities. However they are nothing in terms of So6P abilities that Naruto has shown no such feat for. For example if Naruto was as strong as you say then he wouldn't have been completely unaware of the time freeze. Unlike sasuke he perceived it.

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Sasuke was paralyzed as well so being able to perceive Momo was basically useless in that situation considering he was presumably as helpless as Naruto was. Sasuke can't exactly be referred to as a modern Sage Of Six Paths either considering he isn't even a Sage. You're right about Sasuke having limitless potential due to the Rinnegan granting him the ability to master any ninjutsu, but Naruto more or less has the equivalent of that ability due to the universal comprehension of all things and innate ability to grasp the nature of chakra as well as being able to utilize all five chakra natures

 

[Mellanoma]

OP: You're the one who is delusional here.....uttahere:

A sage with no sage powers lol.

the word "sage" is thrown around loosely in this series. Outside of fancy TBBs and Rasengan variants what other abilities has he done that he can still do now?

That doesn't really matter though. Sasuke was still paralyzed, if Momoshiki wanted to walk up to him and stab Sasuke, he would've been able to do just as much as Naruto was. Theoretically, of course, we don't really know how this whole time stop thing even works.

You are correct. But the point is since Sasuke was able to perceive a space/time stop AND learn dimension shifting which is more than enough information to say Sasuke's capacity far exceeds Naruto's. No matter how hard Naruto trains he will never master Space/time as he is limited.

 

[Guntah]

You are correct. But the point is since Sasuke was able to perceive a space/time stop AND learn dimension shifting is more than enough information to say Sasuke's capacity far exceeds Naruto's. No matter how hard Naruto trains he will never master Space/time as he is limited.

But he can. His father did it himself after all, and he has no bloodline to speak of. He probably never will, but that's because he doesn't really need to, being strong enough as it is. Besides, because Sasuke can master one individual thing better than Naruto doesn't mean much. He'll probably never be a better sensor than Naruto either, but that doesn't mean much. Either thing barely affects in the way they fight, after all.

 

[Shogo Makishima]

Shift in relevance sure but kishimoto already made it apparent naruto and Sasuke are going to stay equal

 

[Mike3DS]

Naruto is equal to Sasuke.(c)Databook and opinion of Kishimoto
Naruto is not stronger than Sasuke.
The Naruto potential is equal to the Sasuke potential.
Interesting fact: Sasuke has not yet awakened the second Rinnegan. Rinnegan gave him Hagoromo, or rather gave the chakra that gave Rinnegan in the left eye. Sasuke still has a chance to awaken the second Rinnegan in potential.
In my opinion - Hagoromo gave Naruto much more power than Sasuke.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

It's all the Naruto fanboys can cling to now that it's painfully obvious Naruto only has Kurama with him while Sasuke has actually retained and progressed his abilities.

 

[super michael]

Sasuke has shown he can handle CM weaker Senjutsu and raw Senjutsu from Jugo yet Sasuke never bothers learning Sage Mode.

Sasuke should be stronger now than say Jiraiya, Minato, Kabuto, Mitsuki, Pre Pain Saga Naruto and Hashirama.

Edit couldn’t Sasuke ask Naruto to turn into RSM and use his Preta Path to absorb Naruto RSM to learn and control RSM? Well first Sasuke should learn normal Sage Mode and then rely on Naruto to gain RSM.

 

[Uverdore9]

Sasuke is proven to be faster than naruto.

Naruto used ameno to blitz kaguya combined with body flicker.


People cant accept it and they claim he can blitz someone he was running away desperately from earlier.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

the word "sage" is thrown around loosely in this series. Outside of fancy TBBs and Rasengan variants what other abilities has he done that he can still do now?

He was called the sage for his ability to achieve the highest SM mode the SPSM.
Does Sasuke have SPSM? Does Sasuke have TSB?

He only has half the powers of So6P and Naruto the other half. I simply don't get how Sasuke fanboys use the term So6P so loosely for him when Sasuke can't even accomplish half of what the real So6P accomplished.

Lol Sasuke's powers have advanced so far that he couldn't even absorbs Momo's TBB and had to hide behind Naruto. He's powers are so advanced that he got rekt by Kinshiki and had to flee. His powers are so advanced that Naruto had to save his ass vs Momoshiki. His powers are so advanced that he had to stop a fodder like Shin's shurikens with his own body.

In short a real So6P by a Sasuke fans standard...

 

[salamander uchiha]

There's no doubt the sage title is in relation to the six paths and Sasuke being the inheritor of the Rinnegan is the sage of 6 paths. He must undergo nerf so Naruto can stand on equal footing.

Some fools with low metal capacity cant tell that Hogaromo wasn't called sage(subject) with 6 paths(predicate) making the two different but sage(possessed)of 6 paths(possessor). That means his sage status is in relation to the 6 paths and their abilities not seperate from it. Alas had they studied grammar they wouldn't be so :salt:y, but what can I say when they suffer from congintive regression grammar isn't going to be of much help.

 

[Animegoin]

All of Naruto's abilities with the exception of his Rasengan (created from TBB concept) is an abstract of a tailed beast ability. This is not a bad thing as tailed beast essentially can perform many different abilities. However they are nothing in terms of So6P abilities that Naruto has shown no such feat for. For example if Naruto was as strong as you say then he wouldn't have been completely unaware of the time freeze. Unlike sasuke he perceived it.

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Well, it could be argued that Naruto wasn’t aware of it because, as his eyes symbolize, he wasn’t in any of his heightened states of awareness. Neither his Sage Mode, KCM, or RSM were activated there; He was in base form.

 

[Mellanoma]

Don't get triggered. I'm simply saying Sasuke's potential and CAPACITY is limitless due to his abilities where as Naruto is limited. No matter how powerful Naruto gets he will forever be constrained to space/time unlike Sasuke

 

[Exaar]

Don't get triggered. I'm simply saying Sasuke's potential and CAPACITY is limitless due to his abilities where as Naruto is limited. No matter how powerful Naruto gets he will forever be constrained to space/time unlike Sasuke

Yet a decade and a bit has past since vote 2 and yet sasuke still considers him his equal/rival?

Damn, Dat naruto talent, keeping up with someone who isn't constrained by space/time, While also doing hokage work. Imagine if he spent time training instead of doing paper work

 

[Merkel]

All I can say about this thread is yikes.


> Naruto = Sasuke
> Sasuke is definitely not the modern day sage
> Sasuke's potential isn't limitless
> Madara exceeded Hashirama because he took power from him (his cells)
> Naruto/Sasuke rivalry DOESN'T = Hashi/Madara rivalry
> Naruto/Sasuke rivalry broke the chain of Ashura/Indra transmigrants
> By feats they are equal
> By literary choices they are obviously intended to be equal
> They are literally portrayed as equal opposites almost all of the manga
> By potential, you can speculate whatever you want but it doesn't mean shit
> Terrible thread
> Disgusting wank