Brother Numpsay
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I dont think people should keep this mindset, that when both these Edo's were brought back the first time, that they were fodder (not Kage level). We have further evidence in Part 2 of the series. We can logically go back to these old kage fights and revise, with our imagination, how it would look now.
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The only thing that is very difficult to evaluate is Tobirama and Hashirama's physical stats (speed strength and CQC skill set) as an Edo Tensei in the past (Then again being mindless killing machines can be a good excuse as to why). But base on the manga of their ninjutsu battle they were pulling out kage technique. Sure we end up seeing fodders being able to use Suiton without a water source, BUT we have NEVER seen anyone pulling out high level Suiton attacks (Water Dragon) till Kage's them selfs via Mei and Kisame. Not much is needed to be said here, as its this part is pretty obvious from manga standpoint[
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].Scaling is not that far off from Part 2!
I feel like alot of people think because the attacks look smaller then part 2, somehow means much weaker (ill address the weaker part later). But if we compare these attacks they used compare to Part 2 series, its really not that far off with close examination.
Hashirama's Nativity of a World of Trees:
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Madara's Nativity of a World of Trees:
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I circled Hiruzen and the base board of Hashirama Mokuton just to show you what a human-size looks like in comparison. Clearly both scale nearly close to each other in size and the width of the Mokuton is almost about the same, and can be used as much as a platform to each other [
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].Lets look at Tobirama. Again I am using the same format: a human-size compare to the jutsu.
Tobirama's Water Dragon:
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Mei's Water Dragon:
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I gave Tobirama a blue circle of the dragon to show the length of the dragon's head and a blue arrow to show how much is extended. Look at the Doton wall from Hashriama's counter scan to see MORE 3D view, which shows a larger view of the attack! It clearly rivals to that of Mei! Or better?
Point being, plus witness of Hiruzen new scale in Part 2, as an Edo, their attacks they have use shouldn't be argue being any different then how it looks now, transition to Part 2 series.
Hint Hint
They're more hints that these Edo's are capable of beating Kage level, not just "Old Hiruzen". And I based that on Rasa's comment.[
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]. As we know Rasa was killed by Orochimaru, so how did he know about Edo Tensei? You either conclude that Orochimaru told him about the ability or Rasa got first experience dealing with them. And I doubt Rasa didn't attempt to at least fight. That said, base on Rasa's feats in the War, you wouldn't even think that Part 1 Hashirama and Tobirama can beat that.Limited In Their Prime
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I feel the need to address this, as my final point. Base on the comment Tobirama made, we end up concluding that this somehow means the ninjutsu they use back then is far weaker then they were to use it now. I disagree, of course, base on everything I addressed here. To me I think this just means they are just limited to what they could use, not that what they could use is weaken. I take Kisame and Itachi as an example. Pein used a jutsu (Shoten no Jutsu) to where they can replace a copy of themselves to fight for them. These bodies were only limited to use 30% percent of their power. Meaning Itachi couldnt use MS and Kisame couldnt do certain and better Suiton. Now whatever these 2 used in 30% has never shown or seen to be stronger then if they were to use the move/attack at 100%. 30% Itachi's Fireball is no different in size or power when used as an Edo Tensei. Same applies to everything I stated here. I believe limited in power rule's apply the same way shadow clones do.
Conclusion: Part 1 Edo Hashirama and Tobirama are Kage level, not fodder. They can definitely give a fight on to Part 2 S-class ninja's+Kages. Though being mind-less drones does hinder the way they would fight.
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