Stop complaining about the fodder using Earth Style...

[Minagatachi]

Honestly, it has been a fact that ninja are not limited to their affinity for a while. Affinity makes it easier to master/learn that element, but does not actually limit you that element.

"This affinity makes it easier to learn how to create and control the nature in question, although even with an affinity this process will usually take any number of years. Shinobi are not limited to the nature they have an affinity to, though. By the time they reach the rank of jōnin, most shinobi have mastered two natures.

Because of the difficulty of mastering a nature and the time required to learn it, it is almost impossible for any one person to master all five natures through natural methods. However, those who possess the Rinnegan or Bashōsen can use all five elements, while Kakuzu got them by stealing other people's hearts."

Why is it that people scream plot-hole because of their ignorance?

 

[Takos]

Because people are idiots, the end.

 

[Sexy Jutsu]

So you're such an attention *****, you had to create a whole new thread instead of posting in the original and leaving it at that.

Good job =D

 

[UchihaSasukeFan]

I still believe that its a dumb move for kishi. If it is so obvious that anyone can learn any release, than why didnt any character learn specific releases for specific fights?
Naruto knew sasuke has kaaton abd raiton. Why didnt he learn how to use suiton so we could counter sasuke no kaaton?
So what if it explains kakashi and kakuzo's cases? Its just a plot hole to cover another plot hole.

 

[GodaimeRaikage]

So you're such an attention *****, you had to create a whole new thread instead of posting in the original and leaving it at that.

Good job =D

You know not the ways of the Attention ***** no jutsu.

 

[Minagatachi]

So you're such an attention *****, you had to create a whole new thread instead of posting in the original and leaving it at that.

Good job =D

Lots of people misunderstood this and think it is a plothole, I know people like that will appreciate it. If that makes me an attention ***** then I am an attention *****. I think this was worth making a new thread about, and if you don't than that's your opinon. Was there honestly a need for you to post on this thread? You could have just ignored it, or are you being an "attention *****"? Whatever, I'm not about to start arguing with you and I hope you'll do the same.

In my opinion this is a lot less attention *****-ish than alot of the threads I see on the Base. Namely "MINATO PWNS ALL", "ITACHI PWNS ALL", "SASUKE SUX", NARUSAKU SUX NARUHINA FTW", etc.

 

[Takos]

I still believe that its a dumb move for kishi. If it is so obvious that anyone can learn any release, than why didnt any character learn specific releases for specific fights?
Naruto knew sasuke has kaaton abd raiton. Why didnt he learn how to use suiton so we could counter sasuke no kaaton?
So what if it explains kakashi and kakuzo's cases? Its just a plot hole to cover another plot hole.

No. The fact that everyone can learn in theory all releases doesn't change the fact that it takes years to learn how to properly use just one of them.

 

[UchihaSasukeFan]

No. The fact that everyone can learn in theory all releases doesn't change the fact that it takes years to learn how to properly use just one of them.

From what weve seen it takes 5 seconds to learn how to use doton. Shouldt take too long to learn other releases, even if its just basic.

 

[Minagatachi]

You forget that Naruto's only techniques are mostly Shadow Clones, Rasengans and Summonings. It's hard enough to put one's affinity into the Rasengan (Minato, Kakashi, etc.). How could you expect Naruto to do it without his affinity? Besides, I'm sure that Sasuke's affinity for Fire and Lightning will give him a clear edge over Naruto's amateur Water.

 

[reizon]

i dont know if im right or not but i read it somewhere in a thread in nb.
here how it is:
so sasuke is fire type right.
tobirama is water type right
and hiruzen is earthtype
so they have that affinity

so basically hiruzen can puke earth and create walls
tobirama can generate water out of nothingness
and sasuke can breathe fire.

now not all ninja can use these type.
the reason why all nins were able to doton was because they were standing on earth.
they were standing on steel then only hiruzen wud be able to do doton but not all.
so that wat an affinity really is.

people say if you train you can get it
but naruto cant do fire jutsu
we dont know his other affinity but naruto can do water jutsu if he was standing on water, despite him not having the affinity

 

[Minagatachi]

Spoiler

i dont know if im right or not but i read it somewhere in a thread in nb.
here how it is:
so sasuke is fire type right.
tobirama is water type right
and hiruzen is earthtype
so they have that affinity

so basically hiruzen can puke earth and create walls
tobirama can generate water out of nothingness
and sasuke can breathe fire.

now not all ninja can use these type.
the reason why all nins were able to doton was because they were standing on earth.
they were standing on steel then only hiruzen wud be able to do doton but not all.
so that wat an affinity really is.

The way I interpreted it is that Shikamaru asked for an extremely simple and basic jutsu so that people with no practice in earth style could do it. But what you said may be true as well, chakra nature is something that aI

people say if you train you can get it
but naruto cant do fire jutsu
we dont know his other affinity but naruto can do water jutsu if he was standing on water, despite him not having the affinity

The way I interpreted it is that Shikamaru asked for an extremely simple and basic jutsu so that people with little to no practice in earth style could do. But what you said may be true as well, chakra nature is something that I have always wanted Kishi to go more in depth about. Having some information in a data book would also be nice.

 

[Sexy Jutsu]

i dont know if im right or not but i read it somewhere in a thread in nb.
here how it is:
so sasuke is fire type right.
tobirama is water type right
and hiruzen is earthtype
so they have that affinity

so basically hiruzen can puke earth and create walls
tobirama can generate water out of nothingness
and sasuke can breathe fire.

now not all ninja can use these type.
the reason why all nins were able to doton was because they were standing on earth.
they were standing on steel then only hiruzen wud be able to do doton but not all.
so that wat an affinity really is.

people say if you train you can get it
but naruto cant do fire jutsu
we dont know his other affinity but naruto can do water jutsu if he was standing on water, despite him not having the affinity

Kakashi can use Water style, even if he's not standing on water. He used a water wall against Kakuzu in their fight. His "affinity" is Lightning isn't it? Or he does he have an affinity for Earth and Water as well?

 

[TheLastSamurai]

it's a weak ass skill anyway, who cares?

 

[Rikudou Sennin balls]

As usual people don't get it. All they learned was the seals it takes to use a simple earth wall. In theory everyone has all 5 elements to their chakra. They just lean towards a sepecific element. Some like Kakashi is skilled enough to use 3.

That Earth wall jutsu just uses chakra. Nothing else because it's a basic jutsu. The concept was to use quantity meaning alot over quality. If stacked enough weak walls (with some powerful ones) it might slow down the Tailed Beast Bomb so Bee could shoot it upward.

Not bad writing. Actually genus writing it still showed that power can still be brought down by a good well organized plan. Which separates Naruto from DBZ.

 

[Takos]

From what weve seen it takes 5 seconds to learn how to use doton. Shouldt take too long to learn other releases, even if its just basic.

It was clearly stated that a doton technique that everyone can learn so fast will be pathetic.

All in all, EVERYONE can use all elements, but normally it would be totally pointless in a fight, because such a technique would be so weak that it wouldn't really matter anyway.

The only reason it made some sense here is because there was a fricking lot of doton walls.
And it STILL didn't work well.

 

[SO6PSenjuUchiha]

quantity over quality in this case they didnt make a rashimon or anything like that they tried to make a million rock walls and see if that would be enough because they had numbers

 

[Miuku24]

sasuke is lightning affinity just like kakashi.. yet, when his father showd him the fireball jutsus handseals, only once was he able to do a weak fireball.. and he had NO IDEA how to do fire manipulation. so, the earth walls stacking up here is nothing kishi havent done before.

 

[Minagatachi]

Kakashi can use Water style, even if he's not standing on water. He used a water wall against Kakuzu in their fight. His "affinity" is Lightning isn't it? Or he does he have an affinity for Earth and Water as well?

"Facepalm". Not sure if you are trolling, or have ignored everything said in this thread. You don't need an affinity for that nature type to use that nature type. Yes Kakashi's affinity is Lightning, but he has probably mastered, or at least practiced using other elements like Earth and Water.

 

[Minagatachi]

sasuke is lightning affinity just like kakashi.. yet, when his father showd him the fireball jutsus handseals, only once was he able to do a weak fireball.. and he had NO IDEA how to do fire manipulation. so, the earth walls stacking up here is nothing kishi havent done before.

Well said.

 

[razinzell]

Almost everybody on this thread is completely wrong. Everyone cant use all 5 elements that is such a dumb thing to say. Remember how long it took for Naruto to cut the leaf in half with wind? People are limited to 2-3 when they are very high level. There is no way everyone can use earth and just haven't needed it yet.

IMO Kishi has some explaining to do because that part made no sense. I'm not complaining though, I don't really mind. there are other bigger things in the series that don't make sense