Stop Comparing Minato And Tobirama (Incorrectly)

[Prince Charles]

Man.. Honestly read the sig before you ever reply to one of my posts!

Please dont get me turnt up!!!!! Not now... not now..

 

[Draphsin]

minato would still have kcm without being edo

This is wrong, minato used RDS to seal it, thus the sealing killed him. He cant have a powerup that he's never able to use while alive.

ok tobirama has a good but minato a good arsenal too: FTG + reflexes + space time barrier + frog summons + RDS + unknown element + KCM + kushina said she taught minato a lot of sealing jutsu

Dont give minato an unknown element, that's the same thing as making up abilities. KCM is not a prime powerup its an edo powerup. & Tobirama's sister in law was also an uzumaki.

 

[~Sovereign~]

Man.. Honestly read the sig before you ever reply to one of my posts!

Please dont get me turnt up!!!!! Not now... not now..

I don't care what your sig says

This is wrong, minato used RDS to seal it, thus the sealing killed him. He cant have a powerup that he's never able to use while alive.



Dont give minato an unknown element, that's the same thing as making up abilities. KCM is not a prime powerup its an edo powerup. & Tobirama's sister in law was also an uzumaki.

just because mianato died soon after putting the chakra inside himself, its not his?????????????????????????? minato TOOK the kyuubi's chakra before he died, therefore it belongs to him WITHOUT EDO, this is a fact

madara is the only customized edo that has been confirmed

so your going to take minato element away because he hasn't showed it???? its not like I said minato had a good element, I just stated that he had one and kishi should show it

give me proof that tobirama's sister in law taught his sealing jutsu like kushina taught minato

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

I get what your saying but minato has a good arsenal too: FTG + reflexes + space time barrier + frog summons + RDS + unknown element + KCM + kushina said she taught minato a lot of sealing jutsu

just because minato focus on s/t jutsu that doesn't mean he cant be good overall, look at naruto, he spam the same stuff over and over and he's top 5 material

and what jutsu did minato create based on wind?? im confused here

well ....... you actually said "+ unknown element" as if he uses it for offence but all what we saw minato use is different types S/T and sealing jutsu (if he focuses on that then these are his most powerful jutsu, you can't make up something he never used).

now am not saying that he is not overall a strong character (can never call a hokage weak, it destroys the whole point of the show) but am pointing out tobirama's arsenal to show you how deadly this guy can be in a 1on1.

think about it, he has the a mix of the strongest/most useful jutsu in his arsenal :

- second best s/t user after minato/close (not mentioning the old obito of course) and that includes the reflexes.

- probably the best water user in the series (extremely strong water jutsu).

- edo tensei (with special techs as we all saw).

personally i believe tobirama brings a lot more to the fight, but like is said it won't be an easy win.

advice : please don't make a thread talking about fanboys, don't take this moment away from the tobirama fanboys lol am tired of all the itachi/madara threads ......... it's nice for a change

 

[~Sovereign~]

well ....... you actually said "+ unknown element" as if he uses it for offence but all what we saw minato use is different types S/T and sealing jutsu (if he focuses on that then these are his most powerful jutsu, you can't make up something he never used).

now am not saying that he is not overall a strong character (can never call a hokage weak, it destroys the whole point of the show) but am pointing out tobirama's arsenal to show you how deadly this guy can be in a 1on1.

think about it, he has the a mix of the strongest/most useful jutsu in his arsenal :

- second best s/t user after minato/close (not mentioning the old obito of course) and that includes the reflexes.

- probably the best water user in the series (extremely strong water jutsu).

- edo tensei (with special techs as we all saw).

personally i believe tobirama brings a lot more to the fight, but like is said it won't be an easy win.

advice : please don't make a thread talking about fanboys, don't take this moment away from the tobirama fanboys lol am tired of all the itachi/madara threads ......... it's nice for a change

This is an assumption. Naruto has wind element but he only uses it with rasengan. We don't know how good minato is with his element or how he uses it. I just stated that he has it, and I automatically gave tobirama the obvious win here because we don't know what element he has but ITS STILL CONFIRMED THAT HE HAS ONE, you cant take that away.

I agree but I showed you that minato has a deadly arsenal too (even if you take the element out)

I agree with this but we don't know how good tobirama's reflexes are, ftg doesn't equal perfect/good reflexes, its HOW minato uses ftg that shows HIS reflexes, tobirama has to show more ftg usage first.

kisame was good at water too but team guy even a way around this and they are all taijutsu mostly ( just saying..I like kisame too lol)

contact seal>edo tensai

I agree tobirama bring more to the fight but that doesn't mean automatic victory, look a DSM kabuto, he had a little of everyone jutsu and lost lol

I just hate bandwagoners not the true fans.....

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

This is an assumption. Naruto has wind element but he only uses it with rasengan. We don't know how good minato is with his element or how he uses it. I just stated that he has it, and I automatically gave tobirama the obvious win here because we don't know what element he has but ITS STILL CONFIRMED THAT HE HAS ONE, you cant take that away.

I agree but I showed you that minato has a deadly arsenal too (even if you take the element out)

I agree with this but we don't know how good tobirama's reflexes are, ftg doesn't equal perfect/good reflexes, its HOW minato uses ftg that shows HIS reflexes, tobirama has to show more ftg usage first.

kisame was good at water too but team guy even a way around this and they are all taijutsu mostly ( just saying..I like kisame too lol)

contact seal>edo tensai

I agree tobirama bring more to the fight but that doesn't mean automatic victory, look a DSM kabuto, he had a little of everyone jutsu and lost lol

I just hate bandwagoners not the true fans.....

well i can understand where you are coming from *_* (kisame is my all time favorite akatsuki)

wasn't trying to take away anything from minato (am full aware of his arsenal).

btw this is not really an argument since we are talking about two TOP CLASS characters.
so you say minato, i say tobirama but like i said am a fan of both (whoever wins, it won't be easy).

 

[Touken]

This is completely correct because we need more feats from Tobirama.

Ignore all the Tobirama > Minato threads.

I just really wanna see his Suiton and how he pulled off Hiraishingiri...

 

[~Sovereign~]

well i can understand where you are coming from *_* (kisame is my all time favorite akatsuki)

wasn't trying to take away anything from minato (am full aware of his arsenal).

btw this is not really an argument since we are talking about two TOP CLASS characters.
so you say minato, i say tobirama but like i said am a fan of both (whoever wins, it won't be easy).

I agee 100%, both are my top 5

think thread was mostly towards the fake tobirama fans anyway bro

This is completely correct because we need more feats from Tobirama.

Ignore all the Tobirama > Minato threads.

I just really wanna see his Suiton and how he pulled off Hiraishingiri...

thanks I agree but minato needs more feats too

 

[Penguin]

If your giving Minato an unknown element, I am giving Tobirama Bringer of Darkness, Sword of the Thundergod, and Sage Mode. SMH at you.

 

[~Sovereign~]

If your giving Minato an unknown element, I am giving Tobirama Bringer of Darkness, Sword of the Thundergod, and Sage Mode. SMH at you.

LMAO you can give tobirama whatever you want...IF YOU CAN PROOF HE HAS WITH A MANGA LINK

like I said you're a tobirama fanboy not a true fan OR you're just a minato hater.

 

[Gerkak]

Enough of this. Rikudou Senin solos ALL!

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

I personally disagree....as to your edges.

1. KCM is not really a Minato property, but an Edo Minato property.

2. As far as intelligence...yes he is smart; however, Tobirama has been showing intelligence of his own. Though, the smartest character in this series is without a doubt Shikaku Nara.

The rest are indeed strengths for Minato (RDS/Frogs).

Minato may have an element; however, it does not fit his combat style or he'd use it more often. In fact he does have an element because Kakashi mentioned the Fourth could never make an elemental addition to the Rasengan.


Here is my beef with Minato and why I believe Tobirama is superior.

Minato revolves his entire combat style around FTG where as other characters have managed more variety.

Naruto: Clones, Rasengan, KCM, BM

Sasuke: Fire, Lightning, Kenjutsu, Susanoo, Enton

Tobirama: Edo Tensei, FTG, Kenjutsu, Suiton


My point is that Minato is limited to practically one style of fighting that limits him against opponents.

1. People such as Hidan, Tsunade, or Hashirama can sit there and heal from his attacks making his speed useless.

2. People with area effect jutsu such as Kakuzu or Kisame can destroy his kunai making his fight harder.

Comparatively, Tobirama has a plethora of styles he can use to combat a larger variety of people....for example where Minato is stuck against Attack Tankers... he has his ranged Suiton or Edo Tensei to use at a distance.

Tobirama also has a seemingly superior reaction time. He managed to (with his off hand or EVEN better his destroyed half) plant both explosive tags and a FTG seal on a speed blitzing Obito.

 

[Penguin]

LMAO you can give tobirama whatever you want...IF YOU CAN PROOF HE HAS WITH A MANGA LINK

like I said you're a tobirama fanboy not a true fan OR you're just a minato hater.

Show me a scan to where Minato has a chakra element? Oh wait, you cannot so your just making up powers for him. And you are calling me a fanboy. :leaf:

 

[xcoyote]

Tobirama>Minato.Suck it up and deal with it.

 

[Touken]

I personally disagree....as to your edges.

1. KCM is not really a Minato property, but an Edo Minato property.

2. As far as intelligence...yes he is smart; however, Tobirama has been showing intelligence of his own. Though, the smartest character in this series is without a doubt Shikaku Nara.

The rest are indeed strengths for Minato (RDS/Frogs).

Minato may have an element; however, it does not fit his combat style or he'd use it more often. In fact he does have an element because Kakashi mentioned the Fourth could never make an elemental addition to the Rasengan.


Here is my beef with Minato and why I believe Tobirama is superior.

Minato revolves his entire combat style around FTG where as other characters have managed more variety.

Naruto: Clones, Rasengan, KCM, BM

Sasuke: Fire, Lightning, Kenjutsu, Susanoo, Enton

Tobirama: Edo Tensei, FTG, Kenjutsu, Suiton


My point is that Minato is limited to practically one style of fighting that limits him against opponents.

1. People such as Hidan, Tsunade, or Hashirama can sit there and heal from his attacks making his speed useless.

2. People with area effect jutsu such as Kakuzu or Kisame can destroy his kunai making his fight harder.

Comparatively, Tobirama has a plethora of styles he can use to combat a larger variety of people....for example where Minato is stuck against Attack Tankers... he has his ranged Suiton or Edo Tensei to use at a distance.

Tobirama also has a seemingly superior reaction time. He managed to (with his off hand or EVEN better his destroyed half) plant both explosive tags and a FTG seal on a speed blitzing Obito.

Not to discredit Tobirama (he is my favourite character) but it doesn't matter if Minato can only use FTG.

It's one of the best techniques in NV (all thanks to Tobirama) and is the reason why he was given a flee-on-sight order in the 3rd Shinobi World War.

Don't include Edo Tensei as it requires massive prep (enemy human sacrifice/collect DNA).

We have to wait for more feats and we need to see Tobirama's monstrous (well I'm hoping it'll be monstrous) Suiton/taijutsu/possibly genjutsu. We also need to see who uses FTG more effectively. I mean, we've seen Minato incorporate kunai with his FTG and we also saw Tobirama's tactics with the tech in today's chapter.

Just wait for feats guys, we've waited this long, we can wait a bit more.

Show me a scan to where Minato has a chakra element? Oh wait, you cannot so your just making up powers for him. And you are calling me a fanboy.

Every shinobi has an elemental affinity, we just need to see if Minato uses his or if he's good with it. Imo, we aren't gonna see any elemental ninjutsu from him, only FTG and Rasengan.

 

[~Sovereign~]

I personally disagree....as to your edges.

1. KCM is not really a Minato property, but an Edo Minato property.

2. As far as intelligence...yes he is smart; however, Tobirama has been showing intelligence of his own. Though, the smartest character in this series is without a doubt Shikaku Nara.

The rest are indeed strengths for Minato (RDS/Frogs).

Minato may have an element; however, it does not fit his combat style or he'd use it more often. In fact he does have an element because Kakashi mentioned the Fourth could never make an elemental addition to the Rasengan.


Here is my beef with Minato and why I believe Tobirama is superior.

Minato revolves his entire combat style around FTG where as other characters have managed more variety.

Naruto: Clones, Rasengan, KCM, BM

Sasuke: Fire, Lightning, Kenjutsu, Susanoo, Enton

Tobirama: Edo Tensei, FTG, Kenjutsu, Suiton


My point is that Minato is limited to practically one style of fighting that limits him against opponents.

1. People such as Hidan, Tsunade, or Hashirama can sit there and heal from his attacks making his speed useless.

2. People with area effect jutsu such as Kakuzu or Kisame can destroy his kunai making his fight harder.

Comparatively, Tobirama has a plethora of styles he can use to combat a larger variety of people....for example where Minato is stuck against Attack Tankers... he has his ranged Suiton or Edo Tensei to use at a distance.

Tobirama also has a seemingly superior reaction time. He managed to (with his off hand or EVEN better his destroyed half) plant both explosive tags and a FTG seal on a speed blitzing Obito.

minato sealed the kyuubi chakra inside himself right before he die, therefore its his, he TOOK it fair and square just like naruto did before becoming friends with kurama.

I said minato is arguably the smartest/intelligent, tobirama is a little smart but he hasn't proved to compare to people like shikamaru, minato, itachi, and shikaku (shika's dad)

minato has more than just 1 jutsu, his arsenal revolves around FTG, space time barrier, and rasengan (3 jutsu is good for a original fighting style)

yes people like that can make it hard for minato but that doesn't give them an automatic victory over minato. Look at Guy, he owned kisame with the gates and minato can always use space time barrier to redirect powerful attacks, we've already seen minato use this against juubi's tbb, the on;ly reason he didn't attack the juubi was because the explosion would've kill some of the alliance. BTW healing is limited

minato doesn't need range really, contract seal will stop any Edo with one hit and tobirama will lose control over them, and as for suiton I told you minato has space time barrier, long range isn't always an advantage bro.

I see what you mean but just because tobirama mark minato doesn't mean he has better reaction time...minato's reflexes hasn't been surpassed by anyone yet, minato hasn't tried to mark obito yet, he saved naruto and sasuke from juubito though.

 

[Touken]

I said minato is arguably the smartest/intelligent, tobirama is a little smart but he hasn't proved to compare to people like shikamaru, minato, itachi, and shikaku (shika's dad)

Imo, he's definitely as smart as Minato. He's created incredible tactics for his techs, such as Gojou Kibakufuda and the way he quickly and effectively set his seal on Obito. Also, it was because of Tobirama's tactic Naruto & Sasuke were able to land a hit on Obito.

 

[Penguin]

Not to discredit Tobirama (he is my favourite character) but it doesn't matter if Minato can only use FTG.

It's one of the best techniques in NV (all thanks to Tobirama) and is the reason why he was given a flee-on-sight order in the 3rd Shinobi World War.

Don't include Edo Tensei as it requires massive prep (enemy human sacrifice/collect DNA).

We have to wait for more feats and we need to see Tobirama's monstrous (well I'm hoping it'll be monstrous) Suiton/taijutsu/possibly genjutsu. We also need to see who uses FTG more effectively. I mean, we've seen Minato incorporate kunai with his FTG and we also saw Tobirama's tactics with the tech in today's chapter.

Just wait for feats guys, we've waited this long, we can wait a bit more.


Every shinobi has an elemental affinity, we just need to see if Minato uses his or if he's good with it. Imo, we aren't gonna see any elemental ninjutsu from him, only FTG and Rasengan.

Lee and Gai and Hidan and Sasori and Chiyo and Kankuro say hi.

 

[GodaimeRaikage]

Minato using a contract seal on Tobirama Edos is going to do much to stop Tobirama from detonating them, so that's a fail.
Furthermore, Rasengan isn't better than Tobirama's Gojō Kibaku Fuda.Rasengan is a close range jutsu that doesn't have the destructive force of Gojō Kibaku Fuda.Gojō Kibaku Fuda is a jutsu that turn Edo's into infinite exploding bombs.The tags attached themselves to the target, explode while summoning more exploding tags.Comparing that to rasengan, which one would an opponent least likely want to face?Even hashirama and hiruzen was telling exveryone to say away from the tobirama because of the sheer range of the jutsu.Minato is better than Tobirama when it comes to FTG, but i doubt he's so much better that it would make much of a difference in a fight between the two.

 

[~Sovereign~]

Show me a scan to where Minato has a chakra element? Oh wait, you cannot so your just making up powers for him. And you are calling me a fanboy. :leaf:

CONFIRMED, now are you done??

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