Stop blaming Kaguya, Blame Kishimoto, the greatest writer genious

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Hello guys, This thread may contain a lot of Rant to Kishimoto's writting but I have right to express my feeling, just as everyone so Here I go:

Everyone jumps to conclusions stating that Kaguya is shit villain, Yeah ? Of course she was designed to be so but is she the only one on who Kishi shitted on ? Let's check Kishi's recently writting :

Madara:
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^^ Instead of showing what Madara can do with Double Rinnegan or three eyes, leaving Kaguya for The last movie Kishi NOT KNOWING how to deal with Madara decided to bring Kaguya so he will get rid of Madara's problem because HE USED HYPERBOLE for no reason again hyping him to has no weakness. Yes it is ****ing hyperbole which causes Kishi's writting to have flaws/problems. It was same with Itachi, Pein etc.

Sasuke:
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^^ Supposed to wield Half of Hagoromo power, recieved the greatest eye Tomoe Rinengan and you know want, JUST One ability which HAS COOL DOWN, great really great move MR. Kishimoto.

Obito:
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^^ Just took out Nunoboko Sword, hyped it to no end instead of expanding on it giving it few feats while also Sasuke for First time unleashed PS and should get some feats with it NO, Kishi decides to just end it in the same chapter, just excellent what a master. I don't even mention how overusing Rin's influence shitted on Obito and this manga.

Naruto:
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^^ Just entered BSM and isntead of getting some feats which in past Kishi would do so, NO, let's cut it by brining God Tree which absorbs chakra. Naruto is hell fast, you know, who cares, I am writer so I can nerf him, noone notice. Too bad someone saw.

Finally Kaguya:
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^^ also just got power up, TSB and got owned really awesome writting.

Kakashi
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hell even Kishi broke his manga logic make Obito come back from death to just power up Kakashi for ONE CHAPTER... just one chapter what a bullshit.

Summary: This is not bashing thread. I just wanted to point out the biggest flaw in Kishimoto writting, yes it is hyping something/make someone getting power up just to cut it and bring another or do something else. Overusing hyperbole which bring nothing to the manga but only flaws and problems, why Kishi. Please don't say don't read or something like that I still find a little to enjoy in this manga but it makes me sad how much this manga wasted potential. I didn't notice it just recently, no I have been noticing stuff like that all the time in manga from time to time but manga was great and well developed so noone cares about such flaw. However it began to be much more visible when Kishimoto began to rush plot so he can end it faster cutting unfinished stuff to being new. Break point for worse was Kishimoto's father death for which I don't blame him, but why didn't he take a break, if he really wanted to end and stop thinking about it then he would do it much earlier. Since this point Kishimoto rushing stuff became more and more annoying showing more and more plotholes but still manga was enjoyable so noone care. The apogee was reached by Kishimoto with Kaguya's revival, he didn't have idea or time enough to develop her character because he was keeping rushing plot. There was no time for flashback/development. The battle was not bad although Kishimoto was unable to bring himself to make Kaguya threatening after Madara killed Naruto and Sasuke, but he forgot about hype he gave her, that why people have high expections about her, afraid of loosing idea what to do with Kaguya Kishi powered up her, while also throwing power up for fanbases as fanservice, so noone will complain and enjoy but lacking idea he decided to get rid of Kaguya, so this is how this ended.

Summary in points :​
  • The biggest flaws in Kishimoto writting leading to plot holes/let downs:
    - Overusing hyperboles/hyping someone/something without showing feats living up to it's hype
    - Powering up characters only to cut it in the same chapter or one after reveal
    - Begining too much new plot stories while not ending already used.
    - Creating too powerfull characters/stuff then nerf/hold it back to fit plot
  • Considering all of these problems one can wonder how Naruto manga became so good. The answer is earlier the plot was rich in content, rules set for manga were abided, There was no rushing overall
  • Rushing plot/manga, loss of creativity in addition to throwing fanservices caused Manga to going downhill.
  • Kaguya is viction of apogue of Kishimoto's writting going downhill. Lack of idea/time to design Kaguya's character/development doesn't help her either. Making MC shine too much forced Kishi to nerf Kaguya.

Please don't except anything great from Kishimoto, so you won't be disappointed.
Also please stop with part 3, Kishi is too much tired just accept it and let him rest. He deserves this rest and he is also human and noone is flawless.

Naruto manga is still enjoyable for Japan, but it is because Kaguya's fight is still developing but I bet when she got power up and also their LOVED Kakashi then get sealed in same chapter... I can bet 689/690 chapter will get rate horrible, just wait and watch.

Kishimoto thank you for your hardwork, maybe some day you will correct/expand some stuff.
 
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I feel like they should of had Madara as the final Villain.
But the War Arc was badly written in the first place.
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I hope kishimoto quits making manga after naruto.

The worst one was with obito and kaguya, my goodness, i cried like twice reading those chapters when rin appeared...

Kishimoto x Rin.
 

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No, blame Kishi drug dealer.
 

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I hope kishimoto quits making manga after naruto.

The worst one was with obito and kaguya, my goodness, i cried like twice reading those chapters when rin appeared...

Kishimoto x Rin.

No.
He needs to stop Naruto and continue Mario.
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No.
He needs to stop Naruto and continue Mario.
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Mario was good but i will see the thing that happened to naruto, starts good, gets bad, same paint job done.
 

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Well yeah of course it's Kishi's fault for making bad characters, it should be obvious.
 

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I disagree with Naruto. Every chapter he got more and more feats.
 

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In deffence of author I can only say that Kishimoto was really leading this manga too long, so he has right to be tired and make flaws. He really has done great stuff for this manga but he just burnt out/fizzle out.

Sasuke, Naruto, Madara NOONE is safe anymore from Kishi bad writting. If I have to be honest then I would like for Kishimoto To NOT MAKE Naruto vs Sasuke for now, just end this manga, get REST then in one of movie as cannon make Naruto vs Sasuke battle in epic way, currently Kishi just gonna screw it.

I disagree with Naruto. Every chapter he got more and more feats.

Yeah currently yes, but I meant before.
Anyway Kishimoto just throw random fanservice for Kakashi, Sakura. For some reason skipping Sauske...
 
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In deffence of author I can only say that Kishimoto was really leading this manga too long, so he has right to be tired and make flaws. He really has done great stuff for this manga but he just burn out/fizzle out.

Sasuke, Naruto, Madara noon is safe anymore from Kishi bad writting. If I have to be honest then I would like for Kishimoto To NOT MAKE Naruto vs Sasuke for now, just end this manga, get REST then in one of movie as cannon make Naruto vs Sasuke battle in epic way, currently Kishi just gonna screw it.

I think their fight will be on the movie.
 

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Yep I will agree madara was screwed over lol. If kaguya was going to appear then i think madara should of been defeated first, still don't like how he was defeated (even though he never was lol not properly) I honestly think juubito could of won if he didn't regret it in at the last second =/
 

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Yep I will agree madara was screwed over lol. If kaguya was going to appear then i think madara should of been defeated first, still don't like how he was defeated (even though he never was lol not properly) I honestly think juubito could of won if he didn't regret it in at the last second =/

well it wasn't problem with Madara, Kaguya, Obito loosing to Main character, it was obvious.
The problem is poorly executed battle, poorly displayed villain, and the worst Hyping someone/something too much or powering some character:

Obito getting Nunoboko sword to not use it/test it show new feats then get defeated but no, Let's finish him at the same time. great ?, NO

Madara regaining both Rinnegan and even acquiring Third eye just to be beaten and not show any new feats

Kaguya recieving power up, just to be beaten and finished at the same chapter

No, it isn't good writting guys. It Shows that Kishi lost creativity and has no idea what to do throwing random power up for some characters, sometimes random characters too and hope it will finish fine.
 

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thing is he had to wrap it all up quickly

Yeah but rushing plot, loosing care of readers while pushing plot moving faster brings nothing good, especially if ending is crap of such awesome manga it was
 

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Meh, fanfiction writers can manipulate Kaguya to make her better. :snick:
 
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